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Jun 6, 2016 17:29:38   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
reconreb wrote:
You must be referring to Harry Reed / Hillary Clinton as those who wish the land for their own use and the extraction of the resources they want to gain from .. You talk about grazing ,, Who in the wide world of sports would have the best interest of the land other than ranchers who have been running livestock on it for 100s of yrs .You argument about ATVs and dirtbikes is weak .. Punish all for a few who rip up the trails , Really ??



Recon,

The ATV and dirt bikes, I do not say they should be banned. But they do deface and degrade the landscape. It is obvious to me that they should not be allowed into some areas. Which areas would be a case by case issue.. I lpersonaly like ATVs so I know both the fun and the bad part of owning and riding..

Grazing,, Only mention that because most often, in Minnesota, cattle raisers fence in and exclude intry into pasture/grazing areas.. Could even be a bit of danger if bulls are roaming... So my point is that most often the ranchers would not allow any hikers etc to use the land they were using for their cattle bisiness...

Harry Reed was possible involved in a proposed project that was 70 miles from the Bundy ranch.... Hillary was head of one department out about 8 which had to OK the sale of mineral rights to a company which was partly owned by Russia... Or maybe award is a better therm then sale..

But the use of federal land is becoming more complicated and while this is far from a new problem, even the grazing issue was hashed over in the 50s around the time Truman combined 2 depts. into the single unit of the BLM...

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Jun 6, 2016 18:30:38   #
Carol Kelly
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Utah Sheriff Issues Threats of Arrest for US Rangers & BLM if They Attempt to Close Public Lands

TIM BROWN — JUNE 4, 2016

Garfield County Sheriff James "Danny" Perkins has issued threats in Utah against the Bureau of Land Management and the US Forest Service of they sought to close access by Americans to public lands.

NPR reports:

Federal land makes up 94 percent of this county, so you'd think that Perkins would welcome the help of federal authorities. Think again. In the sage brush hills outside the one-stoplight town of Panguitch, he pulls off the highway and points to a dirt track.

"This is a conflict, and you're gonna see just a little bit of it. Here's a road right here, that was put here with teams and wagons," Perkins says.

"We're talking pioneer wagons here. Boulders lie in front of it and a bulldozer chewed it up so pickups or ATVs can't drive up it anymore. Federal rangers did this recently," he says. Locals have had access here for generations.

"There is an agenda — and don't kid yourself — there's an agenda to get rid of the grazing, there's an agenda to shut down our roads," Perkins says.

Tensions over federal land — who gets to do what on it, and who is in charge of it — are as high as they've been out here since at least the 1990s. Perkins and many others in his position will give you an earful about how they believe federal agencies have been taken over by environmental extremists. But this is more than just a turf battle. Perkins, too, has an agenda. He proudly refers to himself as a constitutional sheriff.

"Because I raised my arm to the square and I swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States," he says.

A few miles away, in his office, he swivels back in his chair and starts digging through a file cabinet. He keeps copies of the papers and the Constitution on hand. Nowhere in them, he says, does it say anything about Bureau of Land Management or Forest Service law enforcement officers, let alone whether they have authority to pull people over for driving off-road or arrest people for illegal campfires. He says, as sheriff, he answers to the state of Utah.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined," he says. "I can even understand that!"
Indeed, those powers are very, very limited. These are things that Ammon Bundy tried to communicate to FOX News' Megyn Kelly, but few would listen because they are submitting that the central government has all the answers rather than understanding it is restricted by the Constitution.

"I told the Forest Service ranger that if he went out and closed a road that Garfield County has jurisdiction on, I would arrest him," he added.

I think though that Sheriff Perkins would do well to actually read and understand his Constitution. While he stands rightly to arrest these agents, he adds concerning those who stood against them at Bundy Ranch:

"I said it at the time, and I'll stand by it, that is nothing but domestic terrorism. Yes, there's been a story, a lot of these guys have been bullied around by the BLM, but you don't handle it that way."
Sorry to hear the sheriff is siding with communists like Harry Reid. These people were defending property right and at the Constitution. Personally, I have to wonder if Sheriff Perkins is a blowhard, but doesn't actually understand the Constitution's restrictions on the central government's claims and control of land.

What do you think?
Utah Sheriff Issues Threats of Arrest for US Range... (show quote)


I hesitate to disagree but I BELIEVE the Sheriff is right in what he is attempting. The Feds are limited in their powers. As we are all agreed on here, they've taken too many liberties with our liberties. Well, not all .. There are still the witless liberals who can't see that they'll be going down with all the rest of us. This highway is not four lane.

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Jun 6, 2016 18:35:24   #
Carol Kelly
 
robmull wrote:
Be reasonable, bil, where ELSE can they install the much needed Islamic terrorist training camps??? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUMP!!! Don't some of the new 3000ish Muslim Mosques in America get built right ON the camp grounds??? Hummmmmmmmm, again.


Once again, you are right on target. That is probably exactly what is in the plan. That's why they've blocked entry. We should've seen that coming.

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Jun 6, 2016 21:43:40   #
Sicilianthing
 
reconreb wrote:
You must be referring to Harry Reed / Hillary Clinton as those who wish the land for their own use and the extraction of the resources they want to gain from .. You talk about grazing ,, Who in the wide world of sports would have the best interest of the land other than ranchers who have been running livestock on it for 100s of yrs .You argument about ATVs and dirtbikes is weak .. Punish all for a few who rip up the trails , Really ??


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Yep it's a complex issue... Wonder what the final outcome will be.

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Jun 6, 2016 21:46:50   #
Sicilianthing
 
permafrost wrote:
Recon,

The ATV and dirt bikes, I do not say they should be banned. But they do deface and degrade the landscape. It is obvious to me that they should not be allowed into some areas. Which areas would be a case by case issue.. I lpersonaly like ATVs so I know both the fun and the bad part of owning and riding..

Grazing,, Only mention that because most often, in Minnesota, cattle raisers fence in and exclude intry into pasture/grazing areas.. Could even be a bit of danger if bulls are roaming... So my point is that most often the ranchers would not allow any hikers etc to use the land they were using for their cattle bisiness...

Harry Reed was possible involved in a proposed project that was 70 miles from the Bundy ranch.... Hillary was head of one department out about 8 which had to OK the sale of mineral rights to a company which was partly owned by Russia... Or maybe award is a better therm then sale..

But the use of federal land is becoming more complicated and while this is far from a new problem, even the grazing issue was hashed over in the 50s around the time Truman combined 2 depts. into the single unit of the BLM...
Recon, br br The ATV and dirt bikes, I do not say... (show quote)


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Correct and noted... More to come.
More on the layers of
Lies
Wreckage
Trickery n
Deceit by the Miser Families Clique' n clans who devise all these agendas, bills, laws and get them all passed so it's so hard after 50+ years for anyone else to come along and unwind.

That is the part we're going to Slaughter each other over sadly.

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Jun 6, 2016 21:49:02   #
Sicilianthing
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
I hesitate to disagree but I BELIEVE the Sheriff is right in what he is attempting. The Feds are limited in their powers. As we are all agreed on here, they've taken too many liberties with our liberties. Well, not all .. There are still the witless liberals who can't see that they'll be going down with all the rest of us. This highway is not four lane.


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Noted.

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Aug 5, 2016 03:33:57   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>

Noted.


Strong central government is essential in a communistic society!
The rulers and the ruled.

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Aug 5, 2016 03:53:39   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
I live in Utah, and we have more land set aside for Feds then we do privately. That'sthe reality , and we are waiting for the president to do like they did at the mouth of the grand canyon and announce another land grab here in our once great state. Now, it is all under the BLM and the state does a muchbetter job then the eastern politicians from the feds. We are sick of having land taken from ranchers just so hippy's can say how wonderful this is. Most never even show up to see it.

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Aug 5, 2016 04:00:54   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
I think we have too few national parks not too many. If a bunch of yahoos need someplace to run their ATV than buy a couple hundred acres and have at it. Why should they have a right to tear up that which belongs equally to all?
Like you really give a f*ck about some land in Utah. The only thing that gives you a woody is how much the government can screw the citizens.

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Aug 5, 2016 04:45:39   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
cant beleve wrote:
I live in Utah, and we have more land set aside for Feds then we do privately. That'sthe reality , and we are waiting for the president to do like they did at the mouth of the grand canyon and announce another land grab here in our once great state. Now, it is all under the BLM and the state does a muchbetter job then the eastern politicians from the feds. We are sick of having land taken from ranchers just so hippy's can say how wonderful this is. Most never even show up to see it.


Utah is great!
More National Parks than any other state!
Motorcycle toured quite a few times, mostly South of I70.
I believe Utah has done more than its share in providing access to public lands.
The BLM is a problem in other areas also, I certainly can see what is being accomplished thru them.
Anything the BLM does helps no one, residents or tourists.
The term 'less is more' aptly describes anything the Feds control!

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Aug 5, 2016 11:20:07   #
Sicilianthing
 
bilordinary wrote:
Strong central government is essential in a communistic society!
The rulers and the ruled.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Correct Answer

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Aug 5, 2016 11:20:59   #
Sicilianthing
 
cant beleve wrote:
I live in Utah, and we have more land set aside for Feds then we do privately. That'sthe reality , and we are waiting for the president to do like they did at the mouth of the grand canyon and announce another land grab here in our once great state. Now, it is all under the BLM and the state does a muchbetter job then the eastern politicians from the feds. We are sick of having land taken from ranchers just so hippy's can say how wonderful this is. Most never even show up to see it.


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Correct and keep this in front of your TRAITOR City council and Representatives etc...
Don't let it down...

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Aug 5, 2016 11:21:52   #
Sicilianthing
 
bilordinary wrote:
Utah is great!
More National Parks than any other state!
Motorcycle toured quite a few times, mostly South of I70.
I believe Utah has done more than its share in providing access to public lands.
The BLM is a problem in other areas also, I certainly can see what is being accomplished thru them.
Anything the BLM does helps no one, residents or tourists.
The term 'less is more' aptly describes anything the Feds control!


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Correct Answer

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