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Aug 1, 2016 01:54:30   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
America Only wrote:
Math has more honesty to conclusions Science can and does find itself changing. At one point even in Modern Man's scientific time, it was thought to break the sound barrier would destroy the aircraft. One of a few million things I know about science having false findings and it is sad some lefties think science is the answer! MORONS!


Numbers are absolute.

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Aug 1, 2016 12:39:00   #
zillaorange
 
Singularity wrote:
The answer is also in the form of a question.

Have you any human progeny?

The answer would be one less than they.

Your question is in a form designed to spread disinformation and confuse persons not as smart as you are into thinking you really understand evolution and have 'disproved it' when you know you are just bearing false witness!

As an atheist and scientist of this community, I feel the need to explain to those you plan to brag to about a possible lack of refuting posts that I will not contend fairly with you as you have presented a dishonest challenge. You are a traitor to the both Science you vaguely fathom and the commandments of the God you claim to follow. Therefore I cannot believe you desire and honest and forthright discourse.

My choice to jump straight to the insult portion of tonight's entertainment is in the interest of freeing up time.

I wanna watch tv.
The answer is also in the form of a question. br ... (show quote)


hiya singularity ! it's said homo sapiens evolved from apes. can you point out a single transitional species between the 2 ?

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Aug 1, 2016 13:00:33   #
Little Ball of Hate
 
zillaorange wrote:
hiya singularity ! it's said homo sapiens evolved from apes. can you point out a single transitional species between the 2 ?


There aren't any.

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Aug 1, 2016 18:29:32   #
PeterS
 
Little Ball of Hate wrote:
You are mistaken. It's not that we think God did it, because we can't explain it. It is simply that our current understanding says that it's impossible. There is a difference. Can you explain how proteins can exist without DNA? The information required for proteins is encoded in DNA. DNA requires the error checking and correction abilities of proteins in order to exist. This is what's known as a catch 22. One cannot exist without the other. This is the reality of things. The only way they could possibly exist is if they were created at the same time, along with all of the thousands of other amazing micro-machines that exist in every cell. There is no conceivable way that all the different parts of a cell can evolve separately, since they require each other in order to function. And if one is missing, none of the others can do their jobs. Do some research on how cells function. You'll see what I mean. It is a complex dance, with thousands of components, each doing a specific task. Look at how many different proteins there are. Each one is a sequence of amino acids that is folded in three dimensions. If just one fold is incorrect, it does not function. And did you know that there are protein chaperons that help proteins fold properly and correct any mistakes? That's another catch 22. Proteins cannot fold properly without the chaperons. The chaperons, in turn, are also proteins. How is it that the chaperons could exist without proteins? And the proteins cannot exist without the chaperons. For that matter, how do the chaperons know how to do their job in the first place? How can you look at the miracle that is life, and not see a Creator? You can't look at a computer and believe that it is not made by a person. So how can you look at something as complex as the inner workings of a cell and believe that it is the result of chance?
You are mistaken. It's not that we think God did i... (show quote)


I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The fact that I can't explain something means nothing nor does my inability to explain something well out of my field mean that god must have done it!!

Here is a reasoned argument for you, though still a fallacy--all that is needed for life to exist in it's current form is a planet, a moon, a sun, and a god to supply everything else. This according to the logic that we are zapped from nothing by a loving god. The rest of the universe serves zero purpose and 99.99999% of it lethal to life itself--save for the fact that every element that makes up our bodies is the product of supernova--not a supernatural god. Now think about that, every element in our bodies is the product of stars. Do you see no conflicts here? According to you we have a god that supposedly creates life and than according to reality we have a universe where EVERY element that makes up life is produced by stars. Is god simply being redundant or are we a product of the natural events of nature? If you were to put down your bible and simply used your mind could you tell me? Without your bible why would you conclude that anything other than the universe is responsible for life? What evidence would you use--a fallacy that you can't explain? If we are going to play with fallacies than we should at least we should play with the ones that make the most sense.

Myself, I'm tired of your little game. You've blocked me from your threads and that's fine with me. Go play with those who will only agree with you and leave the rest of us alone.

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Aug 1, 2016 18:35:58   #
PeterS
 
zillaorange wrote:
hiya singularity ! it's said homo sapiens evolved from apes. can you point out a single transitional species between the 2 ?


Here ya go.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo/homo_1.htm
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/new-hominid-species-shows-transition-between-apes-humans/

And excuse me Single for jumping in on your response I am sure you can explain much better than me...

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Aug 1, 2016 18:36:53   #
PeterS
 
Little Ball of Hate wrote:
There aren't any.


And you say that based on what--your creationist web sites?

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Aug 1, 2016 18:37:35   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
PeterS wrote:
I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The fact that I can't explain something means nothing nor does my inability to explain something well out of my field mean that god must have done it!!

Here is a reasoned argument for you, though still a fallacy--all that is needed for life to exist in it's current form is a planet, a moon, a sun, and a god to supply everything else. This according to the logic that we are zapped from nothing by a loving god. The rest of the universe serves zero purpose and 99.99999% of it lethal to life itself--save for the fact that every element that makes up our bodies is the product of supernova--not a supernatural god. Now think about that, every element in our bodies is the product of stars. Do you see no conflicts here? According to you we have a god that supposedly creates life and than according to reality we have a universe where EVERY element that makes up life is produced by stars. Is god simply being redundant or are we a product of the natural events of nature? If you were to put down your bible and simply used your mind could you tell me? Without your bible why would you conclude that anything other than the universe is responsible for life? What evidence would you use--a fallacy that you can't explain? If we are going to play with fallacies than we should at least we should play with the ones that make the most sense.

Myself, I'm tired of your little game. You've blocked me from your threads and that's fine with me. Go play with those who will only agree with you and leave the rest of us alone.
I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The... (show quote)


Doubt he'll settle. I find his arguments sorta kinda senseless with big words. However, I do have one question for you.

Do you believe in more than one universe? Or is ours the only one?

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Aug 1, 2016 18:46:54   #
Little Ball of Hate
 
QuestGirl wrote:
Doubt he'll settle. I find his arguments sorta kinda senseless with big words. However, I do have one question for you.

Do you believe in more than one universe? Or is ours the only one?


How is this relevant? If there are other universes, we cannot observe them. We cannot even know if they exist. If you believe in multiple universes, then you believe by faith alone. Hmmm. Why does that sound familiar?

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Aug 1, 2016 18:52:59   #
Little Ball of Hate
 
PeterS wrote:
I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The fact that I can't explain something means nothing nor does my inability to explain something well out of my field mean that god must have done it!!

Here is a reasoned argument for you, though still a fallacy--all that is needed for life to exist in it's current form is a planet, a moon, a sun, and a god to supply everything else. This according to the logic that we are zapped from nothing by a loving god. The rest of the universe serves zero purpose and 99.99999% of it lethal to life itself--save for the fact that every element that makes up our bodies is the product of supernova--not a supernatural god. Now think about that, every element in our bodies is the product of stars. Do you see no conflicts here? According to you we have a god that supposedly creates life and than according to reality we have a universe where EVERY element that makes up life is produced by stars. Is god simply being redundant or are we a product of the natural events of nature? If you were to put down your bible and simply used your mind could you tell me? Without your bible why would you conclude that anything other than the universe is responsible for life? What evidence would you use--a fallacy that you can't explain? If we are going to play with fallacies than we should at least we should play with the ones that make the most sense.

Myself, I'm tired of your little game. You've blocked me from your threads and that's fine with me. Go play with those who will only agree with you and leave the rest of us alone.
I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The... (show quote)


Still dodging the question, I see. Can proteins exist without DNA? It's a simple question. Especially since science has already answered it. They have also answered the question of whether or not DNA can survive without the error checking that proteins provide. The answer to both questions is a resounding no.

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Aug 1, 2016 18:59:01   #
PeterS
 
QuestGirl wrote:
Doubt he'll settle. I find his arguments sorta kinda senseless with big words. However, I do have one question for you.

Do you believe in more than one universe? Or is ours the only one?


No, I believe in a multiverse with an infinite number of universes. It makes the most sense as a multiverse would be infinite while all the individual universes it produces are finite.

Here is something to think about--at least theoretically, man is capable of creating a universe and one day may do so. If that is the case does that make man a god to any life that might develop in that universe?

I do see ways that a 'creator' can exist. I simply do not see the ability for it, or them, to interact with any life that is created.

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Aug 1, 2016 19:01:41   #
Little Ball of Hate
 
PeterS wrote:
No, I believe in a multiverse with an infinite number of universes. It makes the most sense as a multiverse would be infinite while all the individual universes it produces are finite.

Here is something to think about--at least theoretically, man is capable of creating a universe and one day may do so. If that is the case does that make man a god to any life that might develop in that universe?

I do see ways that a 'creator' can exist. I simply do not see the ability for it, or them, to interact with any life that is created.
No, I believe in a multiverse with an infinite num... (show quote)


I notice that you didn't provide anything to back up your baseless claim that we can "theoretically" create universes.

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Aug 1, 2016 19:27:10   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
PeterS wrote:
I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The fact that I can't explain something means nothing nor does my inability to explain something well out of my field mean that god must have done it!!

Here is a reasoned argument for you, though still a fallacy--all that is needed for life to exist in it's current form is a planet, a moon, a sun, and a god to supply everything else. This according to the logic that we are zapped from nothing by a loving god. The rest of the universe serves zero purpose and 99.99999% of it lethal to life itself--save for the fact that every element that makes up our bodies is the product of supernova--not a supernatural god. Now think about that, every element in our bodies is the product of stars. Do you see no conflicts here? According to you we have a god that supposedly creates life and than according to reality we have a universe where EVERY element that makes up life is produced by stars. Is god simply being redundant or are we a product of the natural events of nature? If you were to put down your bible and simply used your mind could you tell me? Without your bible why would you conclude that anything other than the universe is responsible for life? What evidence would you use--a fallacy that you can't explain? If we are going to play with fallacies than we should at least we should play with the ones that make the most sense.

Myself, I'm tired of your little game. You've blocked me from your threads and that's fine with me. Go play with those who will only agree with you and leave the rest of us alone.
I'm not a biologist nor a geneticist. Are you? The... (show quote)


Supernatural is of Spirit, good or evil. Whereas Supernova I suppose, being not a scientist nor an intellectual, is of elements? Matter? Energy?
Remove one element from our universe and we would cease to exist. Or, what would become of this Earth if say Jupiter ceased to exist?

Yes, i do believe in a loving God and His Word as truth. This does not mean I completely understand any of it. I do believe Science is valid as well. Hoping one day, Science will prove the existence of God through the truths written in the Bible.

What I do understand is the human condition and it sucks.

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Aug 1, 2016 19:41:44   #
PeterS
 
Little Ball of Hate wrote:
Still dodging the question, I see. Can proteins exist without DNA? It's a simple question. Especially since science has already answered it. They have also answered the question of whether or not DNA can survive without the error checking that proteins provide. The answer to both questions is a resounding no.


A resounding no?

>>snip<<

noun, plural: proteins. (biochemistry) A molecule composed of polymers of amino acids joined together by peptide bonds. It can be distinguished from fats and carbohydrates by containing nitrogen. Other components include carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur, and sometimes phosphorus.

>>end<<

Every element in a protein exists as a product of supernova which is in turn a product of the universe--a universe that serves no purpose if god exists. Now your saying that the inability of someone with degrees in computer science, math, and business administration to explain how it comes together to form RNA, than DNA, means that somehow a god exists? You are playing the same fallacies over and over. Even if the most talented biochemist can't answer you question it still means nothing don't you get that?

I did a google search on "can proteins exist without DNA" and came up with 87 million hits. If you truly want the answer why don't you take the time to find out. But both you and I know that you don't want an answer You simply want to play with fallacies and anecdotal evidence and say and gee, because you can't think of anything else--plus all your friends agree with you (you do this by blocking any one who disagrees with you)--you assume that god HAS to exist.

That is the prototypical definition of "argument from ignorance." Take some time to read and understand fallacies than go back and examine the questions you are asking.

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Aug 1, 2016 19:58:36   #
PeterS
 
Little Ball of Hate wrote:
I notice that you didn't provide anything to back up your baseless claim that we can "theoretically" create universes.


What I find so ironic about you is that you tell others to 'think outside the box' and you are so trapped inside your little box you can't think.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/04/14/science/physicist-aims-to-create-a-universe-literally.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.casavaria.com/sentido/science/2006/06-0802-new-universe.htm

I take it you've never heard of Google. You might try it, you would be amazed at what you might find...

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Aug 1, 2016 20:10:01   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
PeterS wrote:
No, I believe in a multiverse with an infinite number of universes. It makes the most sense as a multiverse would be infinite while all the individual universes it produces are finite.

Here is something to think about--at least theoretically, man is capable of creating a universe and one day may do so. If that is the case does that make man a god to any life that might develop in that universe?

I do see ways that a 'creator' can exist. I simply do not see the ability for it, or them, to interact with any life that is created.
No, I believe in a multiverse with an infinite num... (show quote)


My answer to what I think you're asking is that flesh and blood can not exist in the presence of God, only Spirit, and there are very few that will. I'm thinking only those 144,000, may be the Saints the Bible speaks of in the Book of Revelation and already chosen.

Much to the dismay of religion, very few if any will reside in the presence of God. There is no rapture, secret or otherwise. No swooping Christians up outta here to celebrate a wedding feast for up to 7 years. While the rest of us poor sorry souls suffer havoc here on Earth. Many doctrine taught Christians are in for a rude awakening at some point in time, especially here in arrogant America. When we die, we don't go to Heaven to live happily everafter. We remain dead in the ground until His appointed time, whatever that may entail.

Also, I have "heard" some religious types believe that one day God will put man in charge of this universe, His ultimate end game. My knee jerk reaction to that scenario is that He must be a sucker for punishment. We haven't done well with our dominion over Earth.

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