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Jul 30, 2016 03:21:02 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are practicing psychoheresy. The Bible is very clear on rejecting blind faith and applying deductive reasoning and logic to justify true faith. Reason and faith are seamless in their applications to achieving true faith. Of course, you would not understand that, nor would you ever pursue such a transcendent experience. No worries, Pete. You are not obligated in any way to look beyond the manifest universe.
No Blade I am simply practicing the truth. And I think we have different bibles. Mines says: Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” To me that seems Jesus is saying that those who believe blinding are the ones to be blessed not those who have used reason and logic to convince themselves they've found god...
Reason and faith do not couple together but act as opposites on a magnet and repel. If you use reason you don't need faith and if you have faith why are you looking to justify it with reason? Your giant brain does you little good when you don't use it or perhaps you simply lack the faith to let go of your reason. And yes I would understand it because the concepts being discussed here are no more than a sophomores level. You are deluding yourself to think that reason is going to guide you through to solve an irrational proposition; especially one so firmly based in the supernatural. Reason and logic only function on the natural level. When you delve into the supernatural level you better have faith or not bother to go there at all...
Jul 30, 2016 05:39:06 #
PeterS wrote:
I was raised Christian. But no, my belief was not chosen for me. I choose it myself daily.You didn't answer my question--what religion were you raised? My bet is you are following a belief system chosen for you by your parents, by their parents before them, and so on and so on. That isn't Jesus choosing you but your parents choosing you for Jesus. Mine tried to do the same but they were Catholic and wanted me to be a priest. Just couldn't do that...
Now you please answer my question:
Are you choosing what you believe? Or is someone choosing for you?
Jul 30, 2016 07:29:13 #
PeterS wrote:
How do you know Thor is the incorrect god. After all he had the Hebrew laws before they did plus he told the Egyptians he was the one true god. You can't argue with that can you? You may well be backing the wrong pony and you ass in Hatties is what you are wagering. Think about that next time you head to church!
Thor was a man made god so I guess I can argue with that !
Well there will be a time when we all will know the truth if the God of the Bible I adhere to is not real I'll have lost nothing , however he is real and I stand to spend all eternally with him .
Your god Thor which is a greek god of mythology will in fact lead you to eternally separated from the true God for all eternity in a place reserved for those that reject the truth !
You know the scriptures were a written guide line that God gave his creation to live by and if all mankind would follow those guide lines there wouldn't be all the problems we face in the world today !
I you are really wanting to know the truth then start reading the New Testament and search out the truth !
In the event you don't want to know the truth then continue on the path you have chosen and thus reap the consequences when you stand before him on the day of judgement !
On that day every knee will bow and every mouth will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord yep I know your not going to like it but you will do and say it anyway !
It's your choice where you will spend all of eternity
Jul 30, 2016 08:24:37 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Super Dave wrote:
I was raised Christian. But no, my belief was not chosen for me. I choose it myself daily.
Now you please answer my question:
Are you choosing what you believe? Or is someone choosing for you?
Now you please answer my question:
Are you choosing what you believe? Or is someone choosing for you?
It was the only belief you'd been indoctrinated to believe. It's the same for most American Christians.
Jul 30, 2016 08:32:38 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
It was the only belief you'd been indoctrinated to believe. It's the same for most American Christians.
It has nothing to do with indoctrination for true Christians it's a heart felt personal experience something that all the nay sayers will never experience if they continue that way of thinking !
Jul 30, 2016 08:35:50 #
PeterS wrote:
You didn't answer my question--what religion were you raised? My bet is you are following a belief system chosen for you by your parents, by their parents before them, and so on and so on. That isn't Jesus choosing you but your parents choosing you for Jesus. Mine tried to do the same but they were Catholic and wanted me to be a priest. Just couldn't do that...
By the way, you still haven't answered my questions. I'll take into account your short memory span and repeat them YET AGAIN...
Have any said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me?”
Did any die on the cross for your sins?
Jul 30, 2016 08:38:51 #
PeterS wrote:
Reason and faith do not couple together but act as opposites on a magnet and repel...
I see that science is not one of your strong suits. Opposites on magnets attract.
Jul 30, 2016 09:36:24 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
4430 wrote:
It has nothing to do with indoctrination for true Christians it's a heart felt personal experience something that all the nay sayers will never experience if they continue that way of thinking !
For little kids, it's indoctrination, yes, even brainwashing.
Jul 30, 2016 09:44:27 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
mwdegutis wrote:
By the way, you still haven't answered my questions. I'll take into account your short memory span and repeat them YET AGAIN...
Have any said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me?”
Did any die on the cross for your sins?
Have any said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me?”
Did any die on the cross for your sins?
Some of these guys probably said something very similar. The Jesus myth is simply a newer version of something much older, modified, but with many parallels.
Jul 30, 2016 10:06:00 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
For little kids, it's indoctrination, yes, even brainwashing.
Being raised in a Christian home parents will instruct their kids in all manner of things not only about God and the Bible but also in how one must act and not act .
Instruction on how to treat and not to treat other people how it is important to study and get an education and the list goes on and on and it is not indoctrination !
There will be a time when these kids reach the age of accountability that will have to make their own decision as to whether they will follow the instruction given by their parents or other family members to accept Jesus Christ as they personal Lord and Savior and serve him or depart from those instructions and go their own way .
I've heard several parents that believe like you instruct their kids that there is no God and for the most part these kids will more than likely never know the truth .
One of the main reasons I see in people they would rather live in darkness and enjoy the pleasures of living in Sin rather than strive to live Godly lives as written in the Scriptures with the Lord's help .
Again it's all about choice the lifestyle we chose to live and die by will determine where we will spend all of eternity be it Heaven with God the Father or Hell that is reserved for the wicked for those that chose to reject Gods plan for salvation .
Jul 30, 2016 12:51:59 #
SalMarDib
Loc: Fly over country
Interesting how some see God as the creation of man while others see man as the creation of God. Historically you can prove Jesus walked the earth. Belief in God is about faith. Never disparage a person of faith, that accomplishes nothing. Instilling faith in the person without beliefs is a true calling.
Jul 30, 2016 12:53:18 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Yes, I was blessed with good parents.It was the only belief you'd been indoctrinated to believe. It's the same for most American Christians.
You didn't answer.
What were you indoctrinated to believe?
Are you choosing what you believe now? If not, who chooses for you?
If your parents were racist Democrats, does that mean you would be too?
Jul 30, 2016 13:15:26 #
Super Dave wrote:
I was raised Christian. But no, my belief was not chosen for me. I choose it myself daily.
Now you please answer my question:
Are you choosing what you believe? Or is someone choosing for you?
Now you please answer my question:
Are you choosing what you believe? Or is someone choosing for you?
My religious beliefs were chosen for me. Atheism I arrived at all by myself.
Jul 30, 2016 13:21:15 #
Jul 30, 2016 13:36:26 #
4430 wrote:
Being raised in a Christian home parents will inst... (show quote)
So if I choose not to believe my fate will be the same as Hitlers? So would you explain how the principle of Justice is Christian!
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