The well-reasoned Insanity of the Right:: down the rabbit hole...giggling
Dec 19, 2013 06:44:04 #
snowbear37 wrote:
After all the rhetoric, about "principles&quo... (show quote)
Snowbear37,
Sadly, I have to admit that I think you are right on the money.
Now, lets each one of us do what we can to change this country's direction in all of the upcoming elections. Bring your friends.
1oldgeezer
Dec 19, 2013 08:37:10 #
Tasine wrote:
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If I see a fire beginning in a building, should I yell FIRE and tell people to get out - or should I wait until their hair is aflame? What good is a warning when it is too late to do anything about it?
If I see a fire beginning in a building, should I yell FIRE and tell people to get out - or should I wait until their hair is aflame? What good is a warning when it is too late to do anything about it?
In political terms, the memory of the Monica Lewinsky fiasco is much too recent. The Republican leadership is not about to waste its political capital on another quixotic adventure. There are some in the Republican leadership that actually want to do the job for which they were elected, which is to govern. This means working with the opposition to pass legislation and budgets. As always, politics is the art of compromise. Americans don't want a scorched earth policy or another civil war. It took the nation over a century to recover from that war.
Your analogy of seeing a fire in a building is rather weak. The Republican leadership is well aware of the party's differences with the ruling party. They have decided to do what is the task of a "loyal opposition"; that is wait their turn and try to do better in the next election. They can count. The number of presidents, impeached, CONVICTED, AND REMOVED remains ZERO.
Dec 19, 2013 08:44:29 #
rumitoid wrote:
Do nothing in Congress; shut down the government; threaten to renege on just debts; filibuster everything because you can; promote partisan warfare; decide before a (black) president takes a seat in the Oval Office to oppose him at every turn; make the RINOS the enemy; make the Tea Party the enemy; Ryan criticizes Boehner's comments about the Tea Party but Ryan (and friends) is the enemy of the Tea Party. Idiots and ugliness: this is our Congress.
What do you think the Democrats are thinking as they watch the Tea Party and Republicans form a circular firing squad? What are the Koch family thinking as they realize they have created Frankenstein 2.0 (the first was the John Birch Society seeded and funded by the papa, Fred Koch) Are the democrats haunted by the memory of President Ross Perot???
Dec 19, 2013 08:47:45 #
The obstruction goes both ways. Harry Reid blocks dozens of GOP Bills from being voted on and the ones passed by the House and usually rejected by the Dem Senate. Obama has not signed one GOP Authored bill. Lets contrast to Bush. Some of the largest bills signed by Bush were authored by Democrats from Kennedy's No Child Left Behind to Paul Sarbanes " Sarbanes Oxley". Even in US Senate Obama had no record of reaching across the aisle.
Also speaking of John Birch society. I was not all too familiar with them until the left kept bringing them up. Then I found this speech from 1958 by someone named Robert Welch ( I assume he was head of it)
Most of what he predicted in this speech has come true. Amazing predictions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4
Also speaking of John Birch society. I was not all too familiar with them until the left kept bringing them up. Then I found this speech from 1958 by someone named Robert Welch ( I assume he was head of it)
Most of what he predicted in this speech has come true. Amazing predictions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4
Brian Devon wrote:
What do you think the Democrats are thinking as they watch the Tea Party and Republicans form a circular firing squad? What are the Koch family thinking as they realize they have created Frankenstein 2.0 (the first was the John Birch Society seeded and funded by the papa, Fred Koch) Are the democrats haunted by the memory of President Ross Perot???
Dec 19, 2013 08:58:00 #
snowbear37 wrote:
After all the rhetoric, about "principles&quo... (show quote)
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WOW! I wish I had said that. GREAT comment!!
Dec 19, 2013 09:27:02 #
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The Republican Party, I agree, has self destructed, and it's about time. The Democrat Party self destructed some years ago. Neither one is worth listening to. And our Congress belongs in prison, as does our President, as do many of the staffs of various bureaus, etc. I do believe the American people can get along together quite well - until government officials and the news media start spreading gossip and outright lies. No one in this nation is as racially divisive as our "President". Before he came along and was installed (not necessarily elected), for the most part we had racial harmony, but with his bias and the criminality of his Attorney General, Eric Holder, our country is more divided than I have ever known it to be. That division is not caused by regular citizens, but by our political junkies, our political hacks, and our media hacks. Until most can see that, our nation will be under attack by its internal enemies we call GOVERNMENT.
In these days I believe the safest thing that could be done for the American public is for the government to be shut down - permanently. Additionally, I cannot imagine how any thoughtful person would welcome a President whose only friends were terrorists, communists, and criminals. Or a President who has no real ties to our nation and whose wife has never been proud of her nation. Or a President who is an empty suit who has never had a real job and is super-secretive about his entire life. Or a President who is an habitual liar, ALWAYS putting himself first. We KNEW all these things before idiots in the country elected him. We tried to tell people, but they wouldn't listen. He is more dangerous in the Presidency than an eight year old would be. He is willfully destroying all that is good about America, and [b]you chastise us who can think for not wanting him in the Oval Office?!?!?!]/b] How do you live with yourself?[/quote]
Great comment Tasine! My only wish would be for more people to understand what both political parties are doing to us. We are being destroyed by the very monsters we created!
The Republican Party, I agree, has self destructed, and it's about time. The Democrat Party self destructed some years ago. Neither one is worth listening to. And our Congress belongs in prison, as does our President, as do many of the staffs of various bureaus, etc. I do believe the American people can get along together quite well - until government officials and the news media start spreading gossip and outright lies. No one in this nation is as racially divisive as our "President". Before he came along and was installed (not necessarily elected), for the most part we had racial harmony, but with his bias and the criminality of his Attorney General, Eric Holder, our country is more divided than I have ever known it to be. That division is not caused by regular citizens, but by our political junkies, our political hacks, and our media hacks. Until most can see that, our nation will be under attack by its internal enemies we call GOVERNMENT.
In these days I believe the safest thing that could be done for the American public is for the government to be shut down - permanently. Additionally, I cannot imagine how any thoughtful person would welcome a President whose only friends were terrorists, communists, and criminals. Or a President who has no real ties to our nation and whose wife has never been proud of her nation. Or a President who is an empty suit who has never had a real job and is super-secretive about his entire life. Or a President who is an habitual liar, ALWAYS putting himself first. We KNEW all these things before idiots in the country elected him. We tried to tell people, but they wouldn't listen. He is more dangerous in the Presidency than an eight year old would be. He is willfully destroying all that is good about America, and [b]you chastise us who can think for not wanting him in the Oval Office?!?!?!]/b] How do you live with yourself?[/quote]
Great comment Tasine! My only wish would be for more people to understand what both political parties are doing to us. We are being destroyed by the very monsters we created!
Dec 19, 2013 09:30:40 #
rickdri wrote:
Great comment Tasine! My only wish would be for more people to understand what both political parties are doing to us. We are being destroyed by the very monsters we created!
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Sure are! Slowly, too slowly, a few people are getting the message that our politicians are not to be trusted OR respected.
Check out topic: Family Wealth Soared Under Trump, Stagnant Under Biden!!!
Dec 19, 2013 10:10:47 #
Dave wrote:
The government needed to be shut down - and a compromise from the President regarding the individual mandate would have prevented it (and it will yet prove necessary to delay it), nobody threatened to renege on the national debt and the allegation shows a lack of intellectual honesty, and the Democrats decided to oppose Bush before he was inaugerated and claimed he was unelected (guess that's because he was white) -
Overall, a one sided, misleading and dishonest set of false comments.
Overall, a one sided, misleading and dishonest set of false comments.
they were not asking for compromise from the president but capitulation , the defunding of the ACA had no business in the bill in the first place it should have been treated separately , it was just a failed strategy on the part of the republicans , the republicans thought they could run over the president and failed
Dec 19, 2013 10:17:34 #
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
viet vet wrote:
they were not asking for compromise from the president but capitulation , the defunding of the ACA had no business in the bill in the first place it should have been treated separately , it was just a failed strategy on the part of the republicans , the republicans thought they could run over the president and failed
...and Obama and Reid were looking for capitualation from the other side - refused to negotaite anything - and you seem either unaware of or purposefully avoiding the fact that after Obama and Reid refusal to consider the bill that defunded Obamacare, the House passed a CR that only delayed the individual mandate for a year - and that compromise offer was also ignored - just at the time than any competent executive should have known the web page and other problems made the delay advisable. But, in supporting Obama, one needs consistently to ignore relevant facts, so you doing it is understandable.
Dec 19, 2013 10:19:10 #
viet vet wrote:
they were not asking for compromise from the president but capitulation , the defunding of the ACA had no business in the bill in the first place it should have been treated separately , it was just a failed strategy on the part of the republicans , the republicans thought they could run over the president and failed
I suspect that those of you who defend obamacare and the president do so because you want the free healthcare.
Will you ever wake up to the reality that their won't be any free healthcare? There will only be less healthcare, and inferior healthcare, and rationed healthcare.
Republicans weren't trying to deny you free healthcare, they were trying to spare you the suffering coming with less healthcare, inferior healthcare, rationed healthcare, and paying more for less healthcare.
Dec 19, 2013 10:21:20 #
Wrong they also submitted a bill to delay ACA for one year. Also rejected by Obama
viet vet wrote:
they were not asking for compromise from the president but capitulation , the defunding of the ACA had no business in the bill in the first place it should have been treated separately , it was just a failed strategy on the part of the republicans , the republicans thought they could run over the president and failed
Dec 19, 2013 10:27:22 #
Dave
They were warned about this pending website disaster and other issues. Instead of being smart and accepting the GOP compromise of delaying ACA for one year they put up an ideological wall of NO compromise on anything. And the media carried their water. Now look at the mess.
They were warned about this pending website disaster and other issues. Instead of being smart and accepting the GOP compromise of delaying ACA for one year they put up an ideological wall of NO compromise on anything. And the media carried their water. Now look at the mess.
Dave wrote:
...and Obama and Reid were looking for capitualati... (show quote)
Dec 19, 2013 10:31:37 #
rumitoid wrote:
Do nothing in Congress; shut down the government; threaten to renege on just debts; filibuster everything because you can; promote partisan warfare; decide before a (black) president takes a seat in the Oval Office to oppose him at every turn; make the RINOS the enemy; make the Tea Party the enemy; Ryan criticizes Boehner's comments about the Tea Party but Ryan (and friends) is the enemy of the Tea Party. Idiots and ugliness: this is our Congress.
Rum....You are seeing dysfunction at it's best. There is a reason we are all seeing this. Just as people look at a car wreck or any disaster, we all see it through our own eyes. The reason is to see the worst. After all, unless you have parameters, you never know. So, what we have is the absolute worst president of all time. Day by day he proves his worthlessness. I would not hire him for any job. Waste of time...But, the congress gets their cue from the president. It's ok to be a piece of shit...
We....The people have to get it together and vote these blood suckers out.
There is a reason why they...the infamous they..call it "Left' and " Right"...Right is not wrong.
Dec 19, 2013 10:41:36 #
jay-are wrote:
I suspect that those of you who defend obamacare and the president do so because you want the free healthcare.
Will you ever wake up to the reality that their won't be any free healthcare? There will only be less healthcare, and inferior healthcare, and rationed healthcare.
Republicans weren't trying to deny you free healthcare, they were trying to spare you the suffering coming with less healthcare, inferior healthcare, rationed healthcare, and paying more for less healthcare.
Will you ever wake up to the reality that their won't be any free healthcare? There will only be less healthcare, and inferior healthcare, and rationed healthcare.
Republicans weren't trying to deny you free healthcare, they were trying to spare you the suffering coming with less healthcare, inferior healthcare, rationed healthcare, and paying more for less healthcare.
at best you are blind to the truth , what free health care , people will pay for their health care (they get health care insurance through exchanges and then pay for it , get your facts straight,)
and it set up standards for minimal health care which has caused junk insurance to wither away , and now the 44 million who are able to access the health care system have some hope of doing so , or did the conservatives just consider them collateral victims , and since they weren't going to vote republican were unnecessary to help anyway
Dec 19, 2013 10:43:41 #
jay-are wrote:
I suspect that those of you who defend obamacare and the president do so because you want the free healthcare.
Will you ever wake up to the reality that their won't be any free healthcare? There will only be less healthcare, and inferior healthcare, and rationed healthcare.
Republicans weren't trying to deny you free healthcare, they were trying to spare you the suffering coming with less healthcare, inferior healthcare, rationed healthcare, and paying more for less healthcare.
Will you ever wake up to the reality that their won't be any free healthcare? There will only be less healthcare, and inferior healthcare, and rationed healthcare.
Republicans weren't trying to deny you free healthcare, they were trying to spare you the suffering coming with less healthcare, inferior healthcare, rationed healthcare, and paying more for less healthcare.
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If he is actually a Viet Nam vet, he is already entitled to free health care. Most Viet Nam vets that I know, and I do know several, dislike Obama, dislike the Democrat party. There are some exceptions.
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