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Jul 23, 2016 11:54:12   #
PeterS
 
America Only wrote:
Oh course..in your opinion Melania should be booted out for a mere speech...so now if THAT is so warranted,....you must be all for dropping an atomic bomb on Obama and the Clintons for THEIR crimes against the USA, right????? Or do you think just an ordinary firing squad for Hillary and the Obama's will be enough?


Oh, a firing squad would be more than sufficient. The point is that there was a time where the theft of someone else's work was taken more seriously, which of course, begs the question of why you are so concerned about Hillary when clearly you could care less if people have any intellectual honesty at all...

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Jul 23, 2016 14:24:02   #
Morgan
 
PeterS wrote:
Steal enough to be considered plagiarism? When you take the thoughts and words of someone else and use them as your own, without any form of accreditation to the author, you've committee plagiary. In high school plagiary will get you a zero and in College it will get you booted out. The real irony of this though is that Melania used, of all people, Michelle Obama to plagiarize. The right has demonize Michelle for 7 and a half years and Melania uses Michelle's words to sell Trump to the rest of the voters. If it wasn't so god damn funny I would say to strip Melania of her citizenship and boot her out but I am actually laughing so hard to ask for something so reasonable...
Steal enough to be considered plagiarism? When you... (show quote)


If you check a previous post you will see we've mentioned the same points

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Jul 23, 2016 16:10:11   #
Morgan
 
[quote=lindajoy]I could take line item exception to refute you but I'll let your written posts speak for you instead..Proof in the pudding works sooo much better..

Will however say to #5, your thread, your obvious major concern ..Otherwise why post it in comparison to all the issues before this country??

Teamwork?? Have not a clue what you're implying, nor do I care.

Your hypocrisy abounds itself..I could easily quote many of your comments..
Example with glaucon. "How foolish everyone is to start a thread against another poster"..Remember your words, to this effect, yet when it was little ball of hate, what did you do but join in????

Again, your posts, my posts and everyone else' post speak for themself..The best evidence in support of something...

One final issue aka, Morgan, you are fooling no one..[/quote


You're a regular Nancy Drew : In case you're unaware almost everyone on here is under the ambiguity of an avatar and a false bravado ... or is that really you in that picture? Guess what no one cares, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference,as I'm sure some of your bff's know. :

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Jul 23, 2016 16:21:08   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Okay Boys and Girls; Can we get back to tthe subject at hand?
Correct me if I am wrong:

Melania didn't write the speech. That was admitted in advance. The speech was worked on for 5 weeks; it just contained her sentiments and perspective.
IMO - Melania meant those words. That is what counts. Words are words. The heart is the heart.
We have been over Michelle's quotes and back ground too many times to to go over again.


[quote=Morgan][quote=lindajoy]I could take line item exception to refute you but I'll let your written posts speak for you instead..Proof in the pudding works sooo much better..

Will however say to #5, your thread, your obvious major concern ..Otherwise why post it in comparison to all the issues before this country??

Teamwork?? Have not a clue what you're implying, nor do I care.

Your hypocrisy abounds itself..I could easily quote many of your comments..
Example with glaucon. "How foolish everyone is to start a thread against another poster"..Remember your words, to this effect, yet when it was little ball of hate, what did you do but join in????

Again, your posts, my posts and everyone else' post speak for themself..The best evidence in support of something...

One final issue aka, Morgan, you are fooling no one..[/quote


You're a regular Nancy Drew : In case you're unaware almost everyone on here is under the ambiguity of an avatar and a false bravado ... or is that really you in that picture? Guess what no one cares, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference,as I'm sure some of your bff's know. : [/quote]

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Jul 23, 2016 16:36:20   #
Morgan
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Okay Boys and Girls; Can we get back to tthe subject at hand?
Correct me if I am wrong:

Melania didn't write the speech. That was admitted in advance. The speech was worked on for 5 weeks; it just contained her sentiments and perspective.
IMO - Melania meant those words. That is what counts. Words are words. The heart is the heart.
We have been over Michelle's quotes and back ground too many times to to go over again.




I agree with you on that, it is the message and not the messenger, it is a commonality... Eureka!

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Jul 23, 2016 16:44:33   #
fullspinzoo
 
the waker wrote:
..... and Bill is just full of Class.

Great comeback, sir.

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Jul 23, 2016 16:50:01   #
PeterS
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Okay Boys and Girls; Can we get back to tthe subject at hand?
Correct me if I am wrong:

Melania didn't write the speech. That was admitted in advance. The speech was worked on for 5 weeks; it just contained her sentiments and perspective.
IMO - Melania meant those words. That is what counts. Words are words. The heart is the heart.
We have been over Michelle's quotes and back ground too many times to to go over again.


She didn't write the speech? So why did Melania say she did and does she not know what plagiarism is? I mean, after all, she clearly read Michelle's speech(s) and knew that the words and phrases contained in her speech were close enough that they could be considered the same; or are you trying to imply she lacks the mental capacity to understand what plagiarism is? Melania seemed a pretty sharp cookie to me; certainly sharp enough to know that what she was doing was wrong.

And I am sure Melania meant those words--Michelle certainly did when she wrote them--which is why one credits the REAL author to let people know you not only appreciate the words but the person who first said them--or did your teachers not teach you the importance of not stealing from others--clearly Melania's didn't...

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Jul 23, 2016 16:53:31   #
fullspinzoo
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Okay Boys and Girls; Can we get back to tthe subject at hand?
Correct me if I am wrong:

Melania didn't write the speech. That was admitted in advance. The speech was worked on for 5 weeks; it just contained her sentiments and perspective.
IMO - Melania meant those words. That is what counts. Words are words. The heart is the heart.
We have been over Michelle's quotes and back ground too many times to to go over again.

eagleye you're right. Let's be honest. If any of you who have turned on Melania, were to give a speech in front of 30 million people using not your mother language but your 5th language, you would crap in your pants. Most of you are not even smart enough or close to knowing and speaking five languages. Most of you have trouble with English. So STFU. You should be more worried about poeple who put Emails on unprotected servers for the whole World to see..

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Jul 23, 2016 16:59:10   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
IMO - Oh so trivial this is; But lying to Congress and the American people, on a consistent basis is not trivial. It is not to be ignored? Hillary is the epitome of untrustworthiness, as is her husband, the skirt chaser.

PeterS wrote:
She didn't write the speech? So why did Melania say she did and does she not know what plagiarism is? I mean, after all, she clearly read Michelle's speech(s) and knew that the words and phrases contained in her speech were close enough that they could be considered the same; or are you trying to imply she lacks the mental capacity to understand what plagiarism is? Melania seemed a pretty sharp cookie to me; certainly sharp enough to know that what she was doing was wrong.

And I am sure Melania meant those words--Michelle certainly did when she wrote them--which is why one credits the REAL author to let people know you not only appreciate the words but the person who first said them--or did your teachers not teach you the importance of not stealing from others--clearly Melania's didn't...
She didn't write the speech? So why did Melania sa... (show quote)

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Jul 23, 2016 16:59:12   #
fullspinzoo
 
PeterS wrote:
She didn't write the speech? So why did Melania say she did and does she not know what plagiarism is? I mean, after all, she clearly read Michelle's speech(s) and knew that the words and phrases contained in her speech were close enough that they could be considered the same; or are you trying to imply she lacks the mental capacity to understand what plagiarism is? Melania seemed a pretty sharp cookie to me; certainly sharp enough to know that what she was doing was wrong.

And I am sure Melania meant those words--Michelle certainly did when she wrote them--which is why one credits the REAL author to let people know you not only appreciate the words but the person who first said them--or did your teachers not teach you the importance of not stealing from others--clearly Melania's didn't...
She didn't write the speech? So why did Melania sa... (show quote)

She speaks five languages fluently, you moron. You have a hard time with English....and maybe ebonics.

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Jul 23, 2016 17:01:07   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
She speaks five languages fluently, you moron. You have a hard time with English....and maybe ebonics.


LOLOLOL. Petey may be fluent in Ebonics. He might of went to school in Oakland, California.

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Jul 23, 2016 17:46:56   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Morgan wrote:
Since when does "tell me what you think", mean that it dictates what I think or that I have to agree with anyone? Thoughtless and complaining, really… please post it,tell me where I was either. I am a very mild poster compared to most or many take your pick. Where as you, lets take a look, you didn't say anything of any real value. But went on and on to do nothing but berate me. Now possibly I missed any kind of redeeming point you attempted to make after your personal insulting blathering.

You hang yourself Magilla with your own words in your acknowledgment of how you view an entire party of American people, which is about half of the populous, describing all of them including myself as proletariat. How difficult life must be for you in your elitist tower to have to put up with the commoner's.

Now you have the mendacity to accuse me of the leap to assumption of you being on the right, when your actions are self-evident, whether or not how you are registered. Yet there you are taking the fall of duplicity and hypocrisy by your assumptions of me.

You're the only one who has made such an overreaction over this thread, but are you really that inept to having a dialog from an opponent, where as all you have for an argument are personal attacks/insults? FWI that is not any kind of debate.

Ah yes... democrats are all corrupt and dishonest, what an original cant. Your opinion is a reflection of your vile nature as shown in your avatar, a gorilla giving everyone the finger, very appropriate to your inner core.

I got off the reservation? I think not, as the entire country was talking about this issue and its implications. Of course you bring the topic into disrepute, due to it being indefensable with all party's involved. And now we hear the accusations on Obama, Hillary and basically everyone in politics, therefore it makes it OK.

It is you having the tantrum with every insult out of your mouth. Your common, typical American hating, party loathing, self righteous conservative. You're about as independent as Ted Cruz.

So far you haven't defended a damn thing, you have said nothing, You haven't defended principles of fairness, or equity and balance. You see yourself as some noble character, you are the farthest thing from it, your simply a hateful prig, a knave.

Seeing all people not of your ilk as corrupt and dishonest is a twisted mind and you should seek intervention and therapy.

With all the corporations and all the politicians, combined there is none more destructive than Americans hating Americans such as yourself, that is no patriot... that attitude is traitorous.
Since when does "tell me what you think"... (show quote)


Blah blah blah bl...frigging blah. If you hadn't noticed this is a argument and debate forum. You are angry because I read your words and got inside them? And you have the temerity to accuse me of 'over reacting'. Pardon me but to some of us words still mean something. Perhaps you should think before you use words.

You have said nothing here that you did not say in your first response to me; just more of it. Whining and crying but making no effort to engage. I don't care how 'mild' you are. That in itself brings sharp focus to the core of not only my outrage but that of every American who is being victimized by the Leftists war on this country that being that most of the Leftists destroying America today are 'mild', cowardly and submissive and when called out act as you are acting now, with zero understanding of why they have been called out. I don't care that you are offended. I don't care that you are too dense to see the question that you yourself promulgated with your 'mild' Proletariat ignorance. And when challenged, like all Leftists, you just want to brush it off like so much lint - oh, golly I was just fooling around - And if it helps you to tell the world that I am the most arrogant, self-centered, dishonest, twisted, corrupt individual you have ever encountered then by all means smooth that psychological salve on your wounded ego ... BUT ... once the burning stops ... and you see the asshole has not gone away;

Please explain how plagiarism and absence of ideas; specifically absence of ideas in the Republican party (the sharp end of the spear that you hurled) are related. Please note that you have already defended the Democrat Party, in the face of (the same) blatant plagiarism.

If you want to say you have rethought the whole thing and see that both parties or bereft of ideas to make this country whole again, I can buy that. Somehow I think you can't do that though. You have already tipped your left hand. So, you can encase me in plastic ... but the question will remain.

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Jul 23, 2016 18:15:16   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
lindajoy wrote:
Yes you are...You don't like getting what you give and as is your norm of course you are always only defending a position and frequently not your position....As if that excuses you..

If you said it, composed, offered it, it is your position...This thread as CDM mentioned, offered as exhibit A, obviously exhibits "intent" just to slam the other side ....

You take every opportunity to critique and criticize everyone else yet find offense when they defend against it..

People are passionate and don't appreciate being grouped together by some ridiculous label of party affiliation, and will stand for their "moral convictions" over it..Isn't that what you always reply in rhetorical justication???

And as I said earlier if this is your major concern over the serious issues before this country, it reads of pettiness...Nothing more...
Yes you are...You don't like getting what you give... (show quote)



What we see here is what has become the norm of the rank and file Leftist Progressive Democrat; regurgitate the partly line ... problem for this person is he or she broke the cardinal rule of the Collective; don't embellish the party line, it will get you in trouble. I truly believe this person did not understand how offensive the statement is. They need to watch Rachel Maddow who is a master of the regurgitation technique.

To say that Trump 'borrowed' some language as all politicians do is true. And while I find it offensive that a human being cannot rise above such drivel, wasting precious life energy mired in this muck while as you rightfully point out real and serious issues abound, it would not normally be worthy of argument. But ... the implication that plagiarism is symptomatic of lack of inventiveness? Can't let that pass.

I don't expect to see anything from this person other than what we already see and certainly nothing above the level of adolescent concern over say, growing pubic hair.

By the way, I like the word 'pettiness', it makes such a strong statement.

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Jul 23, 2016 18:36:48   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
emarine wrote:
Interesting comments ... seems like this post has taken several directions ... the question was a simple yes or no... seems many posters chose to justify Mrs. Trumps actions rather than answer a simple question... The true answer was yes she did... I personally feel she used the phrases that needed repeating... they were all good points ... but she should have shared the credit with the First Lady to keep it honest... this is all part of the political game and good training for a potential future first lady... lets just hope that the Don passes world scrutiny a bit better....
Interesting comments ... seems like this post has ... (show quote)


E; I heartily disagree that it was a simple yes or no - "tell us what you think" compounded it significantly, not to mention the implications of the obvious spearing comment.

Apart from that I think what you say is right on. Trump used words that somebody else had used. And they are as you say good words and indeed bear repeating often. Rephrasing might not hurt in the future though to avoid this National Enquirer hubbub that we seem so anxious to embrace in lieu of real issues.

By the way, is it possible The Donald has already failed in the category of world scrutiny? I mean his messaging is consistent; that he would turn his attention to America's problems before those of others. I would like to be a fly on the wall in any of the EC high council meetings of late ...

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Jul 23, 2016 18:36:49   #
Morgan
 
CDM wrote:
What we see here is what has become the norm of the rank and file Leftist Progressive Democrat; regurgitate the partly line ... problem for this person is he or she broke the cardinal rule of the Collective; don't embellish the party line, it will get you in trouble. I truly believe this person did not understand how offensive the statement is. They need to watch Rachel Maddow who is a master of the regurgitation technique.

To say that Trump 'borrowed' some language as all politicians do is true. And while I find it offensive that a human being cannot rise above such drivel, wasting precious life energy mired in this muck while as you rightfully point out real and serious issues abound, it would not normally be worthy of argument. But ... the implication that plagiarism is symptomatic of lack of inventiveness? Can't let that pass.

I don't expect to see anything from this person other than what we already see and certainly nothing above the level of adolescent concern over say, growing pubic hair.

By the way, I like the word 'pettiness', it makes such a strong statement.
What we see here is what has become the norm of th... (show quote)



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