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Jul 23, 2016 12:09:18   #
PeterS
 
straightUp wrote:
What does factual have to do with bigotry? Here let me show you something... This is a quote from the dickbag himself...

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." - Donald Trump.

1. Mexico doesn't "send" ANYONE. The immigrants are operating on their own free will.
2. He is making a reference to an entire group of people and he is implying that they are ALL rapists. That is not a fact, but it *IS* bigoted. He is implying that they all bring crime. That is NOT a fact either, but it *IS* bigoted.
3. He is implying that they have lots of problems. That *IS* a fact and it's also bigoted. It's a fact because it's problems like poverty and danger that brings them here in the first place, it's bigoted because his intention isn't to understand the problems but to encourage fear and loathing toward them.

We are the nation with a giant statue that says “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” That means people with problems. If we want to build a wall then we should take the Statue of Liberty down because all it represents now is a lie.
What does factual have to do with bigotry? Here le... (show quote)


Damn, you are on fire. Nicely done. I love reading your posts. Keep it up...

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Jul 23, 2016 12:12:06   #
Big Bass
 
son of witless wrote:
Well, , , would I be a bigot if I said I will vote for Mr. Trump because we are both White Males? Well , , , , would I? I am pretty damn sure I would be called a bigot. Now if you are some other persuasion other than White Male and you vote for a candidate because that person is not a White Male then you will never be called a bigot.

Samuel L. Jackson, the famous actor, excuse me, the famous Black
Actor said that he voted for Barak Obama because he was Black.

Hillary openly uses her gender as a campaign issue as if gender is a qualification to be President. Those who only vote for Hillary because they want a woman as President will never be called bigots.
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Hillary, saying she is a woman, is another lie.

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Jul 23, 2016 12:18:22   #
PeterS
 
bmac32 wrote:
And you teach children, 'A church may not interfere in governments business'. It was written the other way but the left decided government is no wrong doer so let's enforce it when it fits are need. It was brought up because the Church of England was run by the government, no church has ever run this government. The government may not interfere in church business that is one the reasons church property is NOT taxed!

It would depend on what the churches business was whether government can interfere in it. As for Church's not being taxed--all non profits aren't taxed. When their business is to line the pockets of their 'leaders' every penny they make should be taxed--but sadly too many think they should skate by not paying a penny.

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Jul 23, 2016 12:33:49   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
PeterS wrote:
Nice explanation. Want to bet they still don' understand!

My bet is that they don't WANT to understand.

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Jul 23, 2016 12:47:09   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
http://www.converge.org.nz/lac/articles/news990407a.htm


straightUp wrote:
Wrong.

Banana Republic is a term that was first coined in the 1920s to describe the Latin American countries that fell under the control of pro-US dictatorships that forced the people to stop producing food for their own needs and to use all their land to produce bananas for export to the U.S. market, which in turn forced them to import staples from the U.S. at a much higher cost. That's the part you apparently didn't know about. Of course in many of these countries the people didn't stand for it and it led to efforts for land reform which were defeated by the dictatorships that were being supported by U.S. government, sometimes to the point of sending in the Marines. During the Cold War, the Soviets offered the people the only recourse they had against an oppressive U.S. policy. That's the part that probably caused you're misunderstanding.

just to be clear... banana republics are pro-US. The revolutions against them were pro-Soviet.

That's how drastic your misunderstanding is.
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Jul 23, 2016 12:51:07   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
PeterS wrote:
It would depend on what the churches business was whether government can interfere in it. As for Church's not being taxed--all non profits aren't taxed.

That's a good point to make because bmac32 obviously thinks it's a religious issue and it's not, it's a logical issue... you don't tax people who aren't making money. That's like loaning money to someone who can never pay it back.

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Jul 23, 2016 13:03:49   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
bmac32 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
http://www.converge.org.nz/lac/articles/news990407a.htm

Is that supposed to be a counter argument? Both those links totally back up what I said. In fact I actually referenced that exact Wikipedia article just to check my dates... and the second article starts off with this...

"Banana Republic" used to refer to poor, developing countries that relied on a single cash crop -- typically bananas -- and were ruled by corrupt governments.

How is that any different from what I said? When foreign industrialists motivate a government to work against the interests of it's people, that's corruption.

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Jul 23, 2016 14:27:30   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Peter, Much of what you point out is true. What pisses me off is the number of charities out there that keep the lions share of donations for " administration ". I'm afraid to give to charities because of these thieves. Thats why I give only to charities I know, and have some information about how much of my donations to the charity goes to it's intended benificiarys
PeterS wrote:
It would depend on what the churches business was whether government can interfere in it. As for Church's not being taxed--all non profits aren't taxed. When their business is to line the pockets of their 'leaders' every penny they make should be taxed--but sadly too many think they should skate by not paying a penny.

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Jul 23, 2016 14:56:39   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Church of England was run by the government and was NEVER TAX FREE.



PeterS wrote:
It would depend on what the churches business was whether government can interfere in it. As for Church's not being taxed--all non profits aren't taxed. When their business is to line the pockets of their 'leaders' every penny they make should be taxed--but sadly too many think they should skate by not paying a penny.

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Jul 23, 2016 15:29:38   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
What does factual have to do with bigotry? Here let me show you something... This is a quote from the dickbag himself...

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." - Donald Trump.

1. Mexico doesn't "send" ANYONE. The immigrants are operating on their own free will.
2. He is making a reference to an entire group of people and he is implying that they are ALL rapists. That is not a fact, but it *IS* bigoted. He is implying that they all bring crime. That is NOT a fact either, but it *IS* bigoted.
3. He is implying that they have lots of problems. That *IS* a fact and it's also bigoted. It's a fact because it's problems like poverty and danger that brings them here in the first place, it's bigoted because his intention isn't to understand the problems but to encourage fear and loathing toward them.

We are the nation with a giant statue that says “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” That means people with problems. If we want to build a wall then we should take the Statue of Liberty down because all it represents now is a lie.
What does factual have to do with bigotry? Here le... (show quote)



Since I like Trump and you call him a dickbag, you had better treat me as a hostile witness. Now let me splain it all to you. We, you and me are Americans? I mean you grasp that concept right? No, no stay with me for a second, PLEASE!!!!

Now as Americans, our first loyalty is to America and our fellow Americans, understand?????????????????????????

Now you can climb the F**k on your high horse all that you wish, but it ain't bigotry to put the interests of Americans before the interests of Mexicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now if I was a Mexican, perhaps I would want into here also. Perhaps I would be illegal. Perhaps!!!! But as an American it is not in my interest or in the interest of my country to have uncontrolled flows of illegals coming in who are desperately poor and under educated. Especially when under the Mighty Imperial Barry Obama our REAL UNEMPLOYMENT is high and underemployment is rampant.

We who are RIGHT are not Bigots just because we humbly ask, no we DEMAND that our worthless leaders enforce our border laws. We who are RIGHT are not BIGOTS because we DEMAND a President who does not lie to us every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jul 23, 2016 15:37:54   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
son of witless wrote:
Since I like Trump and you call him a dickbag, you had better treat me as a hostile witness. Now let me splain it all to you. We, you and me are Americans? I mean you grasp that concept right? No, no stay with me for a second, PLEASE!!!!

Now as Americans, our first loyalty is to America and our fellow Americans, understand?????????????????????????

Now you can climb the F**k on your high horse all that you wish, but it ain't bigotry to put the interests of Americans before the interests of Mexicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now if I was a Mexican, perhaps I would want into here also. Perhaps I would be illegal. Perhaps!!!! But as an American it is not in my interest or in the interest of my country to have uncontrolled flows of illegals coming in who are desperately poor and under educated. Especially when under the Mighty Imperial Barry Obama our REAL UNEMPLOYMENT is high and underemployment is rampant.

We who are RIGHT are not Bigots just because we humbly ask, no we DEMAND that our worthless leaders enforce our border laws. We who are RIGHT are not BIGOTS because we DEMAND a President who does not lie to us every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since I like Trump and you call him a dickbag, you... (show quote)


Under what circumstances would somewhere between twelve to twenty million illegal foreign aliens coming unlawfully into a sovereign nation NOT BE CONSIDERED AN INVASION?

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Jul 23, 2016 15:39:30   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
mac, The Church of England is the official religion of England. Great Britain does not have freedom of religion, they have religious tolerance. The difference is while the Britts may belong to any religion, the state religion is the Church of England. The Queen is it's head.That Church is supported by funds from the government.
bmac32 wrote:
Church of England was run by the government and was NEVER TAX FREE.

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Jul 23, 2016 15:50:03   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
mac, The Church of England is the official religion of England. Great Britain does not have freedom of religion, they have religious tolerance. The difference is while the Britts may belong to any religion, the state religion is the Church of England. The Queen is it's head.That Church is supported by funds from the government.


And the Queen, The Defender of The Faith, I believe, is a Methodist. The Church of England (Anglican) clergy are paid by the government.

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Jul 23, 2016 16:22:30   #
Comment Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
I plan on continuing to use my white privilege because I need all of the advantages I can get. If I am going to get blamed for everything I may as well get something for it.


I take issue with issue statement. My personal belief is that you have no white privilege period. Over the past 50 years white power has diminished to the the max of the lowest minority in the USA. There are hundreds of activist groups for every minority on America,but not one group for white males, except the Aryan brotherhood, which I discount as a prison gang. Why should a club such as the "National Association of the Advancement of the Aryan Male" be called a racist Association. I am calling for equal justice fore white males.

Where I live in N. California. At age 58 I applied to the local Social Security office for a job as a clerk. I called and was told that they wanted a bilingual Spanish. A few months later I called the office about another matter and and a female answered who could spoke no English. Here in my country they would no hire me who speaks only English in a supposedly English speaking country. So where is the White Male Privilege? White males are at a disadvantage Woman and minorities have leap fogged ahead of the While Male relative o civil rights.because the White Mae does not fight back. If a Negro, or "whatever" and a female and a White male interview for a job with the gov the White Male loses most of the time. Where is the White Privilege? Same with college entrance.

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Jul 23, 2016 16:30:45   #
Comment Loc: California
 
bmac32 wrote:
Very true but so did the Kennedy family so I'm not buy into it just yet, at least not a 100%. I look into both Trump's family and Clinton's, the Trump family is by far the better family. Well you raise a good family, that says a lot about your character, raise an on the take family, well that's not so hot.


You got to be kidding, right? Old man Kennedy was a big bootlegger. Edward is a murdered. JFK was an Adulterer. You made a great joke. I am still rolling on the floor. Thanks.

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