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Jul 21, 2016 16:39:56   #
Carol Kelly
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, How could you be more wrong? Hundreds of thousands of children's lives have been saved through Obamacare. Could it have been better funded? Of course, but not without Congress's help. All they did was try to kill it.What freedom of speech have we lost? You and I can still express our ideas no matter what we say, as long as we don't ask people to commit violence. I don't like the idea that the boys with big bucks can buy politicians under the guise of free speech, do you? As far as your comments about religion are concerned, any person can mention God, as long as they are not government employees leading prayer in a government setting. If a Christian child asked me to be excused to pray, I would give him permission as long as it was in private, not part of a group activity, and he agreed to make up any missed work. In my thirty years of teaching that has never happened, although Muslim children have asked that of me on rare occasion.In this country we have a First Amendment which states that government can not interfere in religion, and must remain neutral. They may not favor one religion over another or forbid the practice of religion. A church may not interfere in governments business. They can not endorse a candidate or party. They can ask their congregants to vote for a candidate that best follows their religious ideals without mentioning their name. I believe that this guarantees our freedom of religion.
Carol, How could you be more wrong? Hundreds of th... (show quote)


Keep your faith in God private and secretive. Don't talk about God. Dont mention
religion unless it's that peaceful religion of Allah. Teach kids in school about Islam but federally funded schools are not allowing any mention of God. Don't pray before a
football game unless you pray to Allah. It's all so ridiculous and so unAmerican. If the First Amendment states that Government can't interfere in religion, then why are they doing just that? Why are black churches political breeding places? And you know as well as I do that they are. So don't quote the First Amendment to me. Hundreds of thousands of children's lives have been saved by St. Jude's, also, without owing anything to the government. We have too much government and messing in our Health Care was
unnecessary. They should have messed with all the ridiculous medical lawsuits. Stop the ambulance chasers.

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Jul 21, 2016 17:13:58   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
And you teach children, 'A church may not interfere in governments business'. It was written the other way but the left decided government is no wrong doer so let's enforce it when it fits are need. It was brought up because the Church of England was run by the government, no church has ever run this government. The government may not interfere in church business that is one the reasons church property is NOT taxed!



saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, How could you be more wrong? Hundreds of thousands of children's lives have been saved through Obamacare. Could it have been better funded? Of course, but not without Congress's help. All they did was try to kill it.What freedom of speech have we lost? You and I can still express our ideas no matter what we say, as long as we don't ask people to commit violence. I don't like the idea that the boys with big bucks can buy politicians under the guise of free speech, do you? As far as your comments about religion are concerned, any person can mention God, as long as they are not government employees leading prayer in a government setting. If a Christian child asked me to be excused to pray, I would give him permission as long as it was in private, not part of a group activity, and he agreed to make up any missed work. In my thirty years of teaching that has never happened, although Muslim children have asked that of me on rare occasion.In this country we have a First Amendment which states that government can not interfere in religion, and must remain neutral. They may not favor one religion over another or forbid the practice of religion. A church may not interfere in governments business. They can not endorse a candidate or party. They can ask their congregants to vote for a candidate that best follows their religious ideals without mentioning their name. I believe that this guarantees our freedom of religion.
Carol, How could you be more wrong? Hundreds of th... (show quote)

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Jul 21, 2016 17:32:52   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Carol, How could you be more wrong? Hundreds of thousands of children's lives have been saved through Obamacare. Could it have been better funded? Of course, but not without Congress's help. All they did was try to kill it.What freedom of speech have we lost? You and I can still express our ideas no matter what we say, as long as we don't ask people to commit violence. I don't like the idea that the boys with big bucks can buy politicians under the guise of free speech, do you? As far as your comments about religion are concerned, any person can mention God, as long as they are not government employees leading prayer in a government setting. If a Christian child asked me to be excused to pray, I would give him permission as long as it was in private, not part of a group activity, and he agreed to make up any missed work. In my thirty years of teaching that has never happened, although Muslim children have asked that of me on rare occasion.In this country we have a First Amendment which states that government can not interfere in religion, and must remain neutral. They may not favor one religion over another or forbid the practice of religion. A church may not interfere in governments business. They can not endorse a candidate or party. They can ask their congregants to vote for a candidate that best follows their religious ideals without mentioning their name. I believe that this guarantees our freedom of religion.
Carol, How could you be more wrong? Hundreds of th... (show quote)


I'm confident that Obama would love to see your confirmation that hundreds of thousands of children have been saved by Obamacare. What about the hundreds of thousands who have virtually lost health care because they can't afford the deductibles and then there's the increase in premiums. And then there's 56 million totally innocent children murdered by the Marxist Progressive agenda and philosophy. Can we add them in your mix?

When I was in school back in the 1950s, the first thing we did every day was to pledge allegiance and then say the Lord's Prayer. No one complained. Do you even begin to understand that two absolute necessities to further Marxist ideology is to destroy religion and capture health care. Do you even know what Lenin said about health care? Why not look it up. You're all in a dither that some of us recognize the fingerprints of Marxism in the former democratic party thru their philosophy and agenda. That's because the truth, if you recognized it, would offend you. Ergo the head goes in the sand and the butt is your highest point.

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Jul 21, 2016 17:53:15   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
First of all, neither sex nor skin color are "persuasions". A persuasion is something you pursue... something you make a choice about like a career or a lifestyle. You don't choose to be white or male. Nevertheless, I think I understand your point.

Look, bigotry is a negation, not an affirmation. Bigotry happens when you negate others. So it's not bigoted to vote for someone you identify with - in fact that is an affirmation. The bigotry comes in when the person you identify with is a bigot. Obama was never a bigot and Hilary really isn't either. Obama had a very positive message when he campaigned in 2007. Trump has a very negative platform that involves the negation of entire stocks of people. He shit-talks the Mexicans and the Muslims like they're vile demons. Obama didn't do that. So if someone calls you a bigot for voting for Trump, it's not because you're voting for someone white and male like you, it's because your supporting someone who is himself a bigot and is suggesting bigoted policies.
First of all, neither sex nor skin color are "... (show quote)


You are quite eloquent and quite wrong. Barak Obama has demonstrated repeatedly that he is a racist and a bigot. Your problem is that you believe that it is impossible to be bigoted and racist against White people. I say it is possible, likely, and very common among liberals.

Now to dispute your point of Donald J. Trump being bigoted, show me where he said something that was not factual!!!!!!

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Jul 21, 2016 21:09:41   #
Morgan
 
son of witless wrote:
Well, , , would I be a bigot if I said I will vote for Mr. Trump because we are both White Males? Well , , , , would I? I am pretty damn sure I would be called a bigot. Now if you are some other persuasion other than White Male and you vote for a candidate because that person is not a White Male then you will never be called a bigot.

Samuel L. Jackson, the famous actor, excuse me, the famous Black
Actor said that he voted for Barak Obama because he was Black.

Hillary openly uses her gender as a campaign issue as if gender is a qualification to be President. Those who only vote for Hillary because they want a woman as President will never be called bigots.
Well, , , would I be a bigot if I said I will vote... (show quote)



Gender is a consideration for the fact that women have standing political issues, equal pay and their right of choice.

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Jul 22, 2016 07:43:03   #
son of witless
 
Morgan wrote:
Gender is a consideration for the fact that women have standing political issues, equal pay and their right of choice.


Then I am also right to say I will vote for Donald Trump because he is a man? Men have issues also. I can vote against Hillary, not because of her policies and her character, but strictly because of her being a woman.

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Jul 22, 2016 13:13:48   #
Morgan
 
son of witless wrote:
Then I am also right to say I will vote for Donald Trump because he is a man? Men have issues also. I can vote against Hillary, not because of her policies and her character, but strictly because of her being a woman.


Not unless he's a gay man there really aren't men issues, your point is inaccurate. Many people vote over one issue, I don't agree with that but it doesn't mean I can deny it from happening or that it's a fact people do. You have to let go of what you have no control over, how people vote is one of them.

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Jul 22, 2016 20:27:31   #
son of witless
 
Morgan wrote:
Not unless he's a gay man there really aren't men issues, your point is inaccurate. Many people vote over one issue, I don't agree with that but it doesn't mean I can deny it from happening or that it's a fact people do. You have to let go of what you have no control over, how people vote is one of them.


You are psycho analyzing me. If Liberals can't get over slavery, Jim Crow, and the rest of the bigotry of the 19th Century Democratic Party, why should I get over their hypocrisy? That, my boy, is entirely my point. The one sin a Liberal will always commit is that of being a hypocrite. They call us good people racist, bigots, little ots, and a host of other inaccurate insults, whilst being guilty in spades of those same crimes.

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Jul 22, 2016 21:10:14   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Carol, I think I know where you got the idea about teaching kids about Islam in schools. I taught Modern World History in Maryland. This course starts with the world in the 1500s. It is impossible to understand that history without understanding the various religions of major countries that existed in 1500. Religion was a very powerful part of national identities and how they acted, We studied Islam because it is impossible to understand why the Ottoman Empire acted the way they did without understanding the basics about Islam. We also studied the Protestant Reformation, because it is so important to the history of Western Europe. Asian religions were also examined because they give important insights into the Chinese way of looking into the their ideas and actions of the time. We also examined the Catholic counter reformation, Hinduism, Buddhism, and other world religions. There is a real difference about learning about different world religions and being asked to take part in a religion.
People are free to express their religious beliefs whenever they want. The government must remain neutral in church matters. I think this is a wonderful gift of our founding fathers.
As a Jew, I can't tell you how often I have been approached by Christians trying to convert me. I just smile and try to explain that I am very happy with my faith, thank you. I understand that this kind off activity is part of the Christian faith even though it can be annoying and even disrespectful of my personal beliefs. Ain't freedom of religion great? Everybody has the right to believe or not believe in a religion. I say, lets keep it that way!
Carol Kelly wrote:
Keep your faith in God private and secretive. Don't talk about God. Dont mention
religion unless it's that peaceful religion of Allah. Teach kids in school about Islam but federally funded schools are not allowing any mention of God. Don't pray before a
football game unless you pray to Allah. It's all so ridiculous and so unAmerican. If the First Amendment states that Government can't interfere in religion, then why are they doing just that? Why are black churches political breeding places? And you know as well as I do that they are. So don't quote the First Amendment to me. Hundreds of thousands of children's lives have been saved by St. Jude's, also, without owing anything to the government. We have too much government and messing in our Health Care was
unnecessary. They should have messed with all the ridiculous medical lawsuits. Stop the ambulance chasers.
Keep your faith in God private and secretive. Don... (show quote)

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Jul 23, 2016 11:06:52   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Right! Obama promised CHANGE! No one questioned that change. Well, he's done his best to change us from a Democracy to Communism in a big Africa. But we are looking more like a Banana Republic.

..in a big Africa? WTF does that even mean?

Do you even know what a banana republic is?

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Jul 23, 2016 11:32:39   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Always took Banana Republic as Latin America not any nation in Africa but I get the jest of it, pro-Soviet.


straightUp wrote:
..in a big Africa? WTF does that even mean?

Do you even know what a banana republic is?

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Jul 23, 2016 11:33:47   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
You are quite eloquent and quite wrong. Barak Obama has demonstrated repeatedly that he is a racist and a bigot. Your problem is that you believe that it is impossible to be bigoted and racist against White people. I say it is possible, likely, and very common among liberals.

Don't make stupid assumptions about me. I KNOW there are non-white people who are racist toward white people. I never said anything different. Stick to criticizing what I say not what you imagine I might be thinking. OK?

son of witless wrote:

Now to dispute your point of Donald J. Trump being bigoted, show me where he said something that was not factual!!!!!!

What does factual have to do with bigotry? Here let me show you something... This is a quote from the dickbag himself...

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists." - Donald Trump.

1. Mexico doesn't "send" ANYONE. The immigrants are operating on their own free will.
2. He is making a reference to an entire group of people and he is implying that they are ALL rapists. That is not a fact, but it *IS* bigoted. He is implying that they all bring crime. That is NOT a fact either, but it *IS* bigoted.
3. He is implying that they have lots of problems. That *IS* a fact and it's also bigoted. It's a fact because it's problems like poverty and danger that brings them here in the first place, it's bigoted because his intention isn't to understand the problems but to encourage fear and loathing toward them.

We are the nation with a giant statue that says “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” That means people with problems. If we want to build a wall then we should take the Statue of Liberty down because all it represents now is a lie.

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Jul 23, 2016 11:56:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
bmac32 wrote:
Always took Banana Republic as Latin America not any nation in Africa but I get the jest of it, pro-Soviet.

Wrong.

Banana Republic is a term that was first coined in the 1920s to describe the Latin American countries that fell under the control of pro-US dictatorships that forced the people to stop producing food for their own needs and to use all their land to produce bananas for export to the U.S. market, which in turn forced them to import staples from the U.S. at a much higher cost. That's the part you apparently didn't know about. Of course in many of these countries the people didn't stand for it and it led to efforts for land reform which were defeated by the dictatorships that were being supported by U.S. government, sometimes to the point of sending in the Marines. During the Cold War, the Soviets offered the people the only recourse they had against an oppressive U.S. policy. That's the part that probably caused you're misunderstanding.

just to be clear... banana republics are pro-US. The revolutions against them were pro-Soviet.

That's how drastic your misunderstanding is.

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Jul 23, 2016 12:04:51   #
PeterS
 
son of witless wrote:
Well, , , would I be a bigot if I said I will vote for Mr. Trump because we are both White Males? Well , , , , would I? I am pretty damn sure I would be called a bigot. Now if you are some other persuasion other than White Male and you vote for a candidate because that person is not a White Male then you will never be called a bigot.

Samuel L. Jackson, the famous actor, excuse me, the famous Black
Actor said that he voted for Barak Obama because he was Black.

Hillary openly uses her gender as a campaign issue as if gender is a qualification to be President. Those who only vote for Hillary because they want a woman as President will never be called bigots.
Well, , , would I be a bigot if I said I will vote... (show quote)

No, you are a bigot because of your beliefs not because of your actions. Actions are simply a reflection of your beliefs. If I believed only a white woman was qualified to be president then I would be bigoted. That isn't what I believe though nor is it a reason to vote for Hillary Clinton.

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Jul 23, 2016 12:06:34   #
PeterS
 
straightUp wrote:
Wrong.

Banana Republic is a term that was first coined in the 1920s to describe the Latin American countries that fell under the control of pro-US dictatorships that forced the people to stop producing food for their own needs and to use all their land to produce bananas for export to the U.S. market, which in turn forced them to import staples from the U.S. at a much higher cost. That's the part you apparently didn't know about. Of course in many of these countries the people didn't stand for it and it led to efforts for land reform which were defeated by the dictatorships that were being supported by U.S. government, sometimes to the point of sending in the Marines. During the Cold War, the Soviets offered the people the only recourse they had against an oppressive U.S. policy. That's the part that probably caused you're misunderstanding.

just to be clear... banana republics are pro-US. The revolutions against them were pro-Soviet.

That's how drastic your misunderstanding is.
Wrong. br br Banana Republic is a term that was f... (show quote)


Nice explanation. Want to bet they still don' understand!

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