PeterS

Oh, we know what moral relativism means Padre. Donald cheated on his first and second wives and even had a child out of wedlock and you support him even though he's never repented. Now lets say Donald is butt fucking a 18 year old boy and is unrepentant about his sin--you would shun him like you have never shunned anyone before.

Two sins of equal immorality. You accepted Donald for the first even though he's unrepentant--you would condemn Donald for the second whether he repented or not. A textbook definition of moral relativism...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

How do you know for absolute certain that Donald has never repented of his sins? You may hear his words but only God can read hearts. Read psalm 51. This is King David's confession and seeking God's mercy for lusting after another man's wife and placing him in the front lines of battle to make certain he would be killed so that he could keep his wife. She bore him children too and huge problems resulted. You bloody Marxist progressives are so big on not being judgemental unless, of course, it serves your own evil purpose. How about your own morality and sins? What are YOU doing about them. How do you rid yourself of the anchor on your own soul?

PeterS

Oh I have no problem accepting my choices Padre but with an god who is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent--who, because of that, would know what my last action would be before he even created me--how is it that free will even matters? I could choose up or down, this side or that, and every move I made god would have known what it was before I even made it. He knew when he created me that my ability to reason would make me an atheist and he would also know that the older I become the more determined my resolve.

You can talk about freewill all you like Padre but if you are playing Chess against someone who knows each move you make before you make it--what difference would the outcome make? I mean, even if you were to win, it would only be because god let you. So the only only rational outcome is for you to loose, which according to you is what is going to happen to me anyway.

I do believe freewill exists Padre but because it exists I don't think it possible for the god of the bible to exist. Now I am not making the claim that there is no god only that it isn't one who is possessed by unlimited power. If that were true than he would have been responsible for Hitler and I don't think a god could possibly be that immoral...

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

A textbook definition of moral relativism is to call evil good and good evil. Furthermore, a moral relativist does not believe in moral absolutes. There has never been a nation/society of moral relativists that ever survived. I should add that when moral relativistic revert to the profane to try to prove or emphasize their thesis, they've already lost.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

From another thread...For what it’s worth, an interesting perspective on Donald Trump and why you may want to consider voting for him come November. Remember a vote via a write-in candidate is a vote for Hillary.

A Message For Christians About Donald Trump
Wayne Allyn Root
I am a Jew turned evangelical Christian. I am also a passionate supporter of Donald Trump.

I have a message for Christians who don’t like Donald Trump: “YOU’RE MISSING THE BOAT!”

Christians have Trump all wrong. God sends messages in many forms. You’re just not listening. God is talking, but you’re eyes and ears are closed.

Here’s a famous joke about God and how he talks to us.

“A deeply faithful Christian man is stuck on roof of home with massive flooding up to 2nd floor. Rowboat comes. He says “No, I’m waiting for God. I’ve prayed and I know he’s coming.” 2ndrowboat. “No, I’m waiting for God.” 3rd rowboat. “No, I’m waiting for God.”

Water rises. The man drowns. Now he’s meeting God in heaven. The religious man says “Where were you God? I prayed. I was faithful. I asked you to save me. Why would you abandon me?”

God says, “Hey dummy, I sent you 3 rowboats. Are you blind?”

Did you ever consider Trump is our rowboat?
Maybe God is trying to tell us something important- that now is not the time for a “nice Christian guy” or a “gentleman” or a typical Republican powder puff. Maybe now is the time for a natural born killer, a ruthless fighter, a warrior.

Because right about now we need a miracle, or America is finished.

Maybe the rules of gentleman don’t apply here. Maybe a gentleman and “all-around nice Christian” would lead us to slaughter.

Or do you want another Mitt Romney, Bob Dole, John McCain, Gerald Ford or Paul Ryan? Did any of them win? Did they lead the GOP to “the promised land?” Did they change the direction of America? No, because if you don’t win, you have no say.

Paul Ryan couldn’t even deliver his own state Wisconsin!

And as leader of the House, Paul Ryan rolls over to Obama like my dog rolls over for a scrap of food, or a steak bone. He’s a useful idiot. Nice, but obedient. I mean Paul Ryan…not my dog. My dog is actually a pretty good defender and loyal.

Maybe God is knocking on your door so loud, but you’re not listening. Maybe God understands we need a "war leader" at this moment in time. Maybe God understands if we don’t win this election, America is dead. It’s over. The greatest nation in world history will be gone. Finished. Kaput. Adios.

And with one last breath, maybe what we need to save us at the last second, is someone different. Someone you haven’t ever experienced before- because you weren’t raised in rough and tumble New York where nothing good gets accomplished unless you're combative, aggressive, outrageous, on offense at all times, and maybe just a tad arrogant too.

Someone with a personality you’ve never seen on stage at your church.

Maybe, just maybe, being a nice gentlemanly Christian would not beat Hillary, and her billion dollars, and her best friends in the media who will unleash the dogs of hell upon the GOP nominee.

I guess you think God is only nice and gentlemanly. Really? Then you’ve missed the whole point of the Bible. When necessary God is a pretty tough guy. When necessary, God strikes with pain, death and destruction. When necessary, God inflicts vengeance.

Maybe you think God couldn't possibly be associated with someone like Trump. Trump is too vicious, rude and crude.

When we won WWII, was God "nice?" Were we gentlemanly when defeating Hitler? Were we gentlemanly when firebombing Germany? Were we gentlemanly when dropping atomic bombs on Japan? Is God ever "nice" on the battlefield? Or does he send us vicious SOB’s like General George S. Patton, so the good guys can defeat evil?

It’s pretty clear to me God sends unique people to be "war leaders." That’s a different role than a pastor or church leader. God understands that.

Maybe God purposely sent Trump instead of the nice Republican powder puffs like Paul Ryan, or Mitt Romney, or John Kasich because he wants us to win.

And maybe it’s time to re-define “nice.” Maybe Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan aren’t nice at all- because they led us to defeat. And losing again would mean the end of America. And God can’t allow that.

Maybe Romney and Ryan mean well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Or maybe they’re just jealous they had their chance and blew it. Maybe they’d rather help elect Hillary than allow a Trump victory that would make them look weak, feckless and incompetent.

I was reading the Bible this morning and I found the perfect verse that explains the success of Donald Trump…

"Even the youths shall faint and be weary, And the young men shall utterly fall, But those who wait on the Lord Shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." (Isiah 40:30-31)

It’s almost like God created this verse for Donald Trump and this moment in history.

Trump is our energy – More energy than any candidate EVER. He took on the 16 best candidates in GOP history...all younger than him...all with better political credentials...and destroyed them with his energy. You mean that kind of energy in a 70-year old isn't inspired by God?

Trump renews our strength – Or does the all-time record turnout and all-time record votes for a GOP presidential primary candidate not define “strength?"

With Trump we mount up with wings like eagles – With Trump as our leader there is nothing we can’t do. Any man that can build skyscrapers in Manhattan and vanquish 16 presidential opponents, while spending almost nothing…can lead us to the heights of eagles.

With Trump we run, we are not weary – Just when we get tired of the fight against Obama, Hillary, big government, big business, big media, big unions...just when it all seems impossible to overcome the powerful forces of evil... along comes Trump to re-energize us.

Trump inspires us. Trump gives us hope. Trump gives us confidence in victory. Trump gives us just a touch of arrogance. Maybe God understands that’s exactly what we need right at this late stage to save America.

So let me repeat my message to Christians: “YOU’RE MISSING THE BOAT!”

God is about miracles. We don’t need a “nice guy” or a “gentleman” right now. It’s the 4th quarter and we’re losing 14-0. We need a miracle.

I believe Trump is our miracle. I believe Trump is our rowboat.

Except he’s more like a battleship!

No one is saying Trump is perfect. No one is saying Trump is a perfect conservative. But he is a patriot. He is a warrior. He is a capitalist. He is the right man, at the right time.

Yes, he's a bit rude and crude and offensive. But that may make him the perfect warrior to save America, American exceptionalism, capitalism and Judeo-Christian values.

The choice should be easy for Christians. It’s Trump…or it’s the end of the America.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

"Name one of them": The Messiah, Son of God. Funny how they all call themselves that. Wow, that was hard.

..."they were miraculously with child. Name one of the them: Miriam. Bet I'm close.

Please inspire us with your equally ridiculous protesting!

Below, I have attached an article from Wired Magazine: March 2012. "The Messiah Complex". According to the opening, a man Richard Hodges, thinks he is Christ.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

You might want to take a few moments to think about anything...that being said...he is sinful, horrible American. He isn't God's anointed one. He is a self appointed phoney...just like you. Hypocritical, stupid and ludicrous.

Singularity

TL;DR

Maybe the God is done with America and righteously wishes it destroyed and you are contending against God's will!?!

Only way this makes any sense.

Would you pick God or country in a forced choice?

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

God.

PeterS

Again, who is the one so intent on doing that Padre? You are describing yourself as you speak. Do you think an unrepentant adulterer an example of good? Now it's one thing to sin and be sorry for it and another to sin and to think you've done nothing to be sorry for. That's Donald Trump Padre and I am willing to bet there isn't a single Christian Conservative on this site who doesn't embrace him completely.

You say moral relativism has no moral absolutes. Well we know you guys think adultery relative--if an opponent commits adultery it's bad and if someone you support does you could care less. Than there is the commandment, Thou Shall Not Kill, man what a can of worms that one is--we honestly have Christians on this site who have armed themselves and are preparing to go to war against their fellow citizens. Now when are you suppose to kill and when aren't you suppose to kill Padre and why on earth would a people who have given their lives to the Prince of Peace need so many fucking guns? Moral relativism Padre--about the only thing you stand firm on is you hatred of queers. And there you are real moral aren't you Padre even to the point of denying others the same rights you hold for yourselves. Now that's morality isn't Padre--denying others what you yourself are allowed to enjoy.

And if you don't believe in moral relativism, why aren't you carrying out the old testament to the letter? Oh, that's right Christ came along and said you didn't have to. No, no moral relativism there...

Maybe it's not moral relativism Padre--maybe it's just that Conservative Christians are just a bunch of hypocrites. It that easier for you to swallow Padre? Does your god embrace a Hypocrite before a moral relativist?

PeterS

MW, what makes you think Trump even a Christian? And what does being a patriot, a warrior, and a capitalist have to do with anything Christian? You are a sick little man MW. You've been given the choice between two evils and you chose ONE! If evil is your savior MW where does that say that you are going...

PeterS

If Trump is your savior how close to being god have you made him?

Singularity

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autocthon Loc: Batcave

Were you thinking of Savik (Vulcan father of logic) or of Q, the the existentialist anarchist? Anyway, that wasn't quite my thought. I could just never get my justification concept around the idea of a Christian-type God creating us, his most precious invention, granting us free will and the ability to know good from evil and then leaving out simple things like, say, the ability to regenerate important body parts. He, She or It has the where-with-all to engineer some of the most complex biological systems (here I'm leaving out evolution) that we, as mere mortals, can imagine, but grants that ability to lizards, earthworms and others that are apparently only here for us to reign over. So, leaving out my logic flow chart, I can only come to the conclusion that God is damned good at detailed biology and physics, but not so good at the macro view of quality of life. Kind of like putting Deep Blue in a car and forgetting the windshield wipers and the door handles. This can only be intentional or accidental. So, he is either an idiot savant or a sadist.

Singularity

Trelane. The Squire of Gothos

Came to me in a dream last night!