oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Maybe you need to study up on that situation a bit since those Moors came from North Africa and took over Spain a piece at a time. Those Moors surely didn't originate in Spain.

thinksense

oldroy , I believe that you have been conned, maybe you have some axe to grind, people talking about the “Holocaust” often do have a large emotional investment in believing this myth.



“It is now approximately seventy years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, twenty million Russians, ten million Christians, and nineteen-hundred Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated. Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world "never forgets."”

I know that some of you will go ballistic but I just get upset when I see people repeating this above kind of nonsense.

Let’s do some due diligence on the above paragraph.

I don’t know about the twenty million Russians, ten million Christians or Catholic priests, but I have long considered the “6 million Jews”.

We used to be told that there were a number of “Death Camps” where Jews were gassed with a insecticide in rooms that would hold 60 or so victims at a time. Then the dead would be placed in “ovens” to be incinerated.

Then it was admitted that there were NO “death camps” in Germany. We were told that one camp in Poland mudered not 6 million, but 4 million jews between the years 1942 and 1944. Now the four million have been changed once again to one million.

One thousand times one thousand is one million.

If I gave you $1,000 today you would probably like that, right? If I gave you $1,000
every day for a year you would have $365,000.

If I gave you $1,000 a day for 3 years you would have just a little over $1,000,000. (Actually 1,095,000.)

You would have to kill and cremate over 1,000 Jews each day for three full years, to kill even the 1,000,000 (while the International Red Cross representatives assigned to that camp watched). And do you know how long it takes to cremate a human body?

Simon Weisenthal the nazi hunter, stated “Contrary to Eisenhower’s propaganda films, there was no “gas chamber” at Dachau.”


I could go on and on, but just the above should tell you that something was wrong with the Holocaust story.

emarine

Not sure on the IEDs but the Nazi Waffen SS / Muslim connection is plain and clear... from the grand mufti of Palestine to Yasser Arafat, Muslim Brotherhood to Hamas all pure Nazi influence

Loki Loc: Georgia

The Grand Mufti actually went to Germany to meet Hitler.

emarine

Yes he did... Hitler was his mentor & the Arabs of Palestine were trained by Nazi SS troops to exterminate Jewish settlers.. This rational has never ended to date...

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Great job of using numbers to try to prove what you want to prove but there were more of those prison camps than the one at Dachau and your reasoning, although being so good weakens a lot when you look to the fact that they were killing and cremating in several camps at once. Nice try but I don't think I will join you in supporting the Iranians since I just don't like them much.

Are you and Wiesenthal willing to call the troops that went into Dachau liars? I don't want to do that.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

What caused you to throw out this little story ending up with Dachau? The title of the thread is about Auschwitz and I think some of your figures make very little sense if you read this link. I cheated and brought in an article about Auschwitz. That is cheating, isn't it?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/augas.html
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Loki Loc: Georgia

As far as Holocaust deniers, I have family members who saw some of it, at least, first hand. I had 3 uncles who served in WWII, two of them in the European Theater.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Those deniers, largely left leaning, aren't bothered at all calling those troops who opened those places up after the Germans left, liars. Of course, anything that might work for them is ok with them.

thinksense

Oldroy..”“Great job of using numbers to try to prove what you want to prove but there were more of those prison camps than the one at Dachau and your reasoning, although being so good weakens a lot when you look to the fact that they were killing and cremating in several camps at once. Nice try but I don't think I will join you in supporting the Iranians since I just don't like them much.

Are you and Wiesenthal willing to call the troops that went into Dachau liars? I don't want to do that.
Those deniers, largely left leaning, aren't bothered at all calling those troops who opened those places up after the Germans left, liars. Of course, anything that might work for them is ok with them.”

Oldroy, Whether you like it or not, the numbers being steadily downgraded from 6 millions to 4 millions to 1 million as the past is investigated, should tell you something all by itself. But I just wanted to show that it would have been physically impossible to kill any large number, by marching them into gas chambers, gassing them and incinerating them. Especially the incineration part, at the rate of 2 to 8 at a time in each of 4 (some claim 8; to incinerate a body takes around 5 hours) “ovens”. Just can’t be done in the period of time that this “Holocaust” was supposed to have occurred.

I invoked Weisenthal’s name because most people, jews and gentiles know of him and the great work he did would trust what he said. If I recall correctly, he spoke about other camps not being “death camps” too, but I am sure he said it about Dachau. What I wanted you to get out of that was that when you find that one part of a story is a lie, It is a clue that other parts are also a lie.

As for allied soldiers and what they were shown at so called death camps, you should take that with a grain of salt. For example the “gas chamber” was claimed, by the Russians who “liberated” the camp, to have been destroyed by the Germans. So the Russians built a “gas “ chamber to photograph and show to visitors to Birkenau. Jarek Mensfelt, spokesman for the Aushwitz Memorial Site, recently announced that they were going to leave the ruins as is. “This is an attempt to keep it as it is now , in ruins, but not let the ruins go . It was meant to be forever as a warning. By the way, the Poles have tested the ruins for traces of poison, and can not find any. In another building there they have found traces of gas. That building had been used for delousing the inmates. There was a great problem with typhus, so all, soldiers and inmates were sprayed with delousing chemicals. The Allies had the same typhus problem. Ask your old timers.



Loki...As far as Holocaust deniers, I have family members who saw some of it, at least, first hand. I had 3 uncles who served in WWII, two of them in the European Theater.

I’ll bet none of them ever saw a true camp survivor. Probably never saw any other than people who had died of wounds, starvation and or disease which runs rampant in a war zone. When you are in a combat zone your whole world is 10 yards wide and 1/4 mile long. At least it was for me during combat in Korea.

My stepmother and her little girl lived in a little dorf (village) in Turingen, south eastern Germany. This was relatively untouched by fighting. But toward the end of the war, as a result of Allied Bombing of rail roads, and highways, there was very little if any food available. Also Germany had quite literally run out of gas. Imagine how it would be if no trucks or trains were able to bring food into your town for 2 or 3 months. My stepmother, who was 5'6" and normally weighed 130 to 140 lbs, went down to 85 lbs in 6 weeks. A human skeleton. She was searching for weeds to cook with the leather from a pair of old boots, which were scraped, cleaned and then boiled day after day to make a kind of soup to feed her and my 7 year old step sister. Once in a while they would find a few mushrooms that the other people in her dorf had not found first. There was no meat available, the locals had hunted it all down.

If your 3 uncles would have seen them and taken pictures, they would have thought that these people were escapees from a concentration camp.

I think that what governments do, the dirty tricks they play to and with their citizens, with this constant teaching of hatred and fear of others, is the worst they do to us. When I was a kid, it was hate the Japs, hate the Krauts, hate the Italians and since I spoke with a German accent at the time, got me in a lot of fights, and beaten up a lot. Then in my teen years, hate and fear the Russians, the Chinese, the Communists. Since communists controlled the little village I had been raised in in Germany, and letters smuggled out of the zone told of the indignities and deprivations foisted on my German relatives still stuck there, I like an idiot joined the Marines to fight those dirty commies. I ended up killing some poor little Chinese guys, who hated me so much they would come charging up a hill with nothing but an entrenching tool (only about ½ the gooks had weapons, as the guy with the gun would fall the next guy would pick it up).

Please wake up and smell the B.S. Or just go on as you are.

Loki Loc: Georgia

You are very quick to call my relatives liars, aren't you? Men who fought the European campaign, one of whom was at Normandy. I would be careful with that. You are supposing all sorts of shit, and you were not there. As far as your service in Korea, I could just as easily call that bullshit, now, couldn't I?

emarine

Same here, Some didn't make it back chasing Nazis... I grew up in Brooklyn NY... I heard story's and seen scars from old Jews who said they were really lucky ... one was a grave digger for young children... he still cried 30 years after the fact...Now that most are gone... it seems to be getting swept under the rug... I don't think that we should ever forget...maybe it will stop it from happening again so easy...

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I talked many times with a man who had been a 6'2, 195 pound man when his plane was shot down over Germany. He was a POW for over 2 years. He said that some nuns from one of those places( I can't think what they are) found the whole crew and fed them the tiny amount of food they had for their group. When the German Army found them they took them to a POW camp. Food got so scarce that they didn't have a lot for their troops so the POWs had to survive on very little food. Max lost over 100 pounds and was really skin and bones when he was liberated. Think about someone that tall weighing only about 85.

Max told me that Americans didn't make really good prisoners. In their camp they had a huge German Shepherd dog who ran a pattern around and under barracks looking for anyone who may have escaped. One day they buried several single edge razor blades under their barracks and when they heard the dog coming were very quiet and said the dog really raised hell when he started cutting his feet. Of course, the dog had to be destroyed and the Americans rejoiced.

Some of the tales I read about American POWs in Korea convinced me that Max had told the truth.

Now back to the story at hand. Did you read any of the link I shot at you where the Germans talked about being able to gas over a thousand people in a day and then incinerate the whole bunch? I bet you didn't and you didn't read much else there. You changing to Dachau where we all knew they didn't have ovens really was a valiant effort but I was talking about Auschwitz, where they did have ovens. Where the German people in the area talked about the stink when they were burning. How about those that were shot early in the war? How long did you live in Iran?

thinksense

oldroy,

I as I explained before, I threw in Weisenthal's name and his statement because he was a famous guy who pointed out that there were no death camps, and I remember that he mentioned Dachau specifically. There was no "changing the camp name involved. My point, as I will repeat, was to get you to thinking. After all if someone tells you something like, " Death Camps existed, including Dachau" and then a man who is an authority on hunting down Nazis and the so called death camps says "Dachau was not a Death Camp" and you hear later that they eventaully admitted that "there were NO Death Camps in Germany" exposing that lie also, wouldn't you wonder if Aushwitz might not also have been lied about?

Loki,

Your post, "You are very quick to call my relatives liars, aren't you? Men who fought the European campaign, one of whom was at Normandy. I would be careful with that. You are supposing all sorts of shit, and you were not there. As far as your service in Korea, I could just as easily call that bullshit, now, couldn't I?" sounds more like drunk in a bar trying to pick a fight.

I'm too old to waste any time with you. Believe what you want and live well.

Loki Loc: Georgia

If you wish to believe that you know more than men who were there, I suppose you can do that. When a total stranger questions the honesty of men in my family I have known my entire life, especially when that stranger was not there and relies on hearsay and poorly thought through opinion, I tend to wonder at your motivation. Personally, I don't care what your motivation is. Thank you for your service, if you served.