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Jun 12, 2016 05:08:06   #
PeterS
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Oh but there are gaping holes in your understanding.

We live in the real world also. It is only after the body dies that we enter what you think is the fantasy land.

Here on earth we must contend with all the violence and criminal activities that plague everyone. God tells us how to live on earth. He never said to allow others to walk on us and allow ourselves to be abused and murdered. Therefore while on earth we protect ourselves, our loved ones, and our property. We also like sporting with guns as others do, and collecting them etc. What an odd comment you made about Christians owning guns. It shows how little you really understand. Perhaps that why you turned from God. You have a very narrow image of what being a Christian is. We are like everyone else only differing in our faith, just as I imagine atheists are like - everyone else only differening in their lack of faith.

As I said, you can't hold Christianity responsible for the actions of individuals any more than I can hold all atheists responsible for the actions of individuals. You can try, but it doesn't wash. You live, work, associate with a mix of philosophies. Some Christian, some other and you would't know one from the other unless for some reason you asked or the conversation went there. People don't wear labels and we are much the same on the surface. Only differing in core philosophy that is rarely discussed..
Oh but there are gaping holes in your understandin... (show quote)


Actually I don't think there are gaping holes in my understanding. I was told that upon accepting Christ I was under his protection. Why would I need a gun if the lord is protecting me? If I have faith in god than what happens to me and my family is his will. Is that not correct?

The sun will not smite you by day, Nor the moon by night. The LORD will protect you from all evil; He will keep your soul. The LORD will guard your going out and your coming in From this time forth and forever.…

Genesis 28:15
"Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you."

Psalm 32:7
You are my hiding place; You preserve me from trouble; You surround me with songs of deliverance.

Psalm 41:2
The LORD will protect him and keep him alive, And he shall be called blessed upon the earth; And do not give him over to the desire of his enemies.

And the list goes on and on. If you have faith in god than he is your protector. It's only if you have no faith that you must rely on guns....

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Jun 12, 2016 05:09:51   #
PeterS
 
Docadhoc wrote:
You simply do not want to understand. You can't handle it ibviously.

What does owning guns have to do with fairh? And do you think we are supposed to test faith or God? Such a childish image you have.


By owning a gun you are saying you don't trust in god to protect you. You either have faith or you don't. It seems as simple as that...

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Jun 12, 2016 05:11:32   #
PeterS
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Have you ever been to a wake?


We held a wake for my mother. Why?

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Jun 12, 2016 05:11:47   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
PeterS wrote:
If you live by faith why do you need guns? I have never quite understood why Christians place their lives in gods hands then don't trust him to protect them? Wouldn't that be the first test of faith?


And were did you ever get the ridiculous notion that God controls everything?

Could He? Of course. Does He? Of course not. Obviously.

Do you have a glimmer of understanding abourr free will and what it means?

If you are going to discuss Christianity then learn about it because so far most of your concepts are either sarcasm or you don't have a clue of what you criticize. If you wish to discuss Christianity then get up to speed because you certainly are way off base. I don't know who or what you turned away from but it wasn't Christianity or God.

I think you need to learn more then come back to discuss.

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Jun 12, 2016 05:28:37   #
PeterS
 
Docadhoc wrote:
And were did you ever get the ridiculous notion that God controls everything?

Could He? Of course. Does He? Of course not. Obviously.

Do you have a glimmer of understanding abourr free will and what it means?

If you are going to discuss Christianity then learn about it because so far most of your concepts are either sarcasm or you don't have a clue of what you criticize. If you wish to discuss Christianity then get up to speed because you certainly are way off base. I don't know who or what you turned away from but it wasn't Christianity or God.

I think you need to learn more then come back to discuss.
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Since god is omnipotent freewill doesn't mean squat. And are you telling me that if you trust in god he won't protect you? And how am I off base? You've created a god that you don't have to have faith in. God knew when he created you just how your life was going to play out. If you trust in god than you trust in the plan that he has for you. I got that from Christian Doctrine which I took when I was a sophomore in College. Faith is at the center of Christianity and if you don't trust god to protect you than how can you stand there and say you have faith in god.

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Jun 12, 2016 07:22:28   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
PeterS wrote:
Since god is omnipotent freewill doesn't mean squat. And are you telling me that if you trust in god he won't protect you? And how am I off base? You've created a god that you don't have to have faith in. God knew when he created you just how your life was going to play out. If you trust in god than you trust in the plan that he has for you. I got that from Christian Doctrine which I took when I was a sophomore in College. Faith is at the center of Christianity and if you don't trust god to protect you than how can you stand there and say you have faith in god.
Since god is omnipotent freewill doesn't mean squa... (show quote)


Poor Peetee.....always trying to justify what he believes is the truth.
A clear sign that you are still searching for answers.

I know how much you love them, so here's your "meme" of the day...



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Jun 12, 2016 08:14:59   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PeterS wrote:
And what good is living in a fantasy land only to have it cease to exist once we die? When we die we die MW. It's nice that you believe in land of sunshine and lollipops but I would far rather live in a world that real than one we've made up simply because we are afraid of death.

By creating a god we kill two birds with one stone: 1) It saves us from the fear of death and 2) it grants authority to the laws that govern man--we don't obey the law because man says to but because god says to otherwise he will penalize us. That's why we invented god and whether is was Thor, Zeus, or the god of the bible all were created for the same purpose and eventually all were cast away for the same reason--they simply weren't of any use anymore. The clock is ticking on the god of Abraham and while I am sure you will never admit it he is dying faster and faster everyday...
And what good is living in a fantasy land only to ... (show quote)

You STILL haven't answered my question so I'll ask it another way...Why don't you go out and kill yourself right now because your life means nothing because you cease to exist when you die? According to your logic, your life doesn't matter.

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Jun 12, 2016 08:26:17   #
PeterS
 
mwdegutis wrote:
You STILL haven't answered my question so I'll ask it another way...Why don't you go out and kill yourself right now because your life means nothing because you cease to exist when you die? According to your logic, your life doesn't matter.

Why does my logic indicate that I don't care about life? It's the opposite. Since this is the one and only shot we have all the more reason to make the most of it for as long as we can. No, I plan on being here for a long time MW--and the longer the better.

This is why our intellectual integrity is so important. Without it we are just living a lie and when you have but one shot at life to spend it in a lie is probably the greatest sin we could ever commit...

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Jun 12, 2016 08:29:04   #
PeterS
 
bdamage wrote:
Poor Peetee.....always trying to justify what he believes is the truth.
A clear sign that you are still searching for answers.

I know how much you love them, so here's your "meme" of the day...


Oh, I'm always searching for answers BD. Life would be a big waste if we weren't. It's when we think we've found "it" that I would begin to worry as there would be little to life after that...

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Jun 12, 2016 08:31:30   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PeterS wrote:
Why does my logic indicate that I don't care about life? It's the opposite. Since this is the one and only shot we have all the more reason to make the most of it for as long as we can. No, I plan on being here for a long time MW--and the longer the better.

This is why our intellectual integrity is so important. Without it we are just living a lie and when you have but one shot at life to spend it in a lie is probably the greatest sin we could ever commit...

What part don't you understand that your life doesn't mean squat if you cease to exist when you die?

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Jun 12, 2016 08:39:43   #
PeterS
 
mwdegutis wrote:
What part don't you understand that your life doesn't mean squat if you cease to exist when you die?


Why is it the only way life has any meaning is if we have a after life? If you think you are going to live for an eternity than go ahead and pull the plug. My life is too important though and I intend to stick around for as long as I can...

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Jun 12, 2016 08:50:02   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh, I'm always searching for answers BD. Life would be a big waste if we weren't. It's when we think we've found "it" that I would begin to worry as there would be little to life after that...


There are ONLY 2 choices my friend.....choose wisely.

"Well it might be the devil or it might be the Lord, but you're gonna have to serve somebody" - Bob Dylan

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Jun 12, 2016 09:00:15   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
PeterS wrote:
I don't rationalize a late term abortion. If the fetus can live outside the womb than it deserves to live....

Using that logic, then a 1-year old child that can live on its own outside the womb deserves to live also? But it can't live on its own.

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Jun 12, 2016 11:06:23   #
son of witless
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It's still not clear.. Same question. What is different from their morality and yours?


Not much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How bout you? Are you full on board with the whole Transgender, Pro Abortion, Homo Sexual Marriage, hate the Christian Obama agenda?

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Jun 12, 2016 11:17:07   #
son of witless
 
PeterS wrote:
By owning a gun you are saying you don't trust in god to protect you. You either have faith or you don't. It seems as simple as that...




Now I am certainly not Jesus, but you, yes you, sure sound like Satan tempting Jesus when he was fasting for 40 days and forty nights.

Mathew 4 : 5-7 " Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. "
Jesus answered him, “It is also written: "Do not put the Lord your God to the test." "

Do you really have horns and a tail?

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