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The end of the American Era- Donald "pea-brain" Trump. A fraud,liar, and cheater!
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May 25, 2016 18:28:17   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
sosueme wrote:
Excuse me, there isn't one person of authority with any knowledge that there was any possible way to be close enough to help in the Benghazi situation. Not even with all the numerous commisions by the GOP.

Again, perhaps if the GOP would have allowed security funding to go through there would be a different ending to this story.

Rules of truth never change no matter who you are.

Bill Clinton acknowledged his failing where as the Bush and the Cheneys have not.


Regardless, there is no major difference between the 2-party agenda, (maintaining the Empire), aside from socially. The Benghazi thing and this obsession with security, another corporate-boondoggle, has become a national neurosis. As if you can possibly prevent every bad thing from happening in a perpetual-warfare state. No one in power today cares about root-causes or accountability, for it seems that once in power, they are immune from the consequences of their actions. Not all, of course, as sacrificial-lambs are occassionally offered up to provide an illusion of law and order, but we know better...the big fish never get fried, no matter how much damage they do. As I noted in an earlier post, when your country's biggest exports are weapons and war, what is the marketing-strategy for that? Obviously, perpetuating violence and division. It is a hard truth to have to come to terms with, but we need to acknowledge that we are not always the benign defenders, but also ruthless aggressors. Accomplished military-men like Eisenhower and Gen. Butler, who indisputably knew what they were talking about, tried to warn us about this half-a-century ago, but we did not heed their warnings.

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May 25, 2016 18:28:55   #
sosueme
 
peter11937 wrote:
He created a multi billion dollar fortune by a dint of a sharp business acumen. He has employed tens of thousands over the years, both directly and indirectly. Built high rise commercial buildings, residence high rises, golf courseswith accessory and approach roadways, hotels in Fla. including Singer Island, negotiated successfully with foreign nations for access that resulted in a profit for his businesses and much more. Hillary has caused people to die, abused those serving her, lied about her personal server, lied about everything and still does.
He created a multi billion dollar fortune by a din... (show quote)


He was given a million dollars from his dad to start with and greased the palms of many to get what he wanted, illegally. When his dad died he got more money.
You know he owed so much money to the banks that they actually couldn't pull him down, just the little guys around him. They took the fall. They even put him on an allowance. A grown man got his hands slapped while the people all around him were falling like flies.

It's like this, a sub contractor starts the work, asks for the draws as expected and gets told to finish the total job even though the contract said draw on the third of the job but Trump says no, finish it or sue me. Contractor can't go forward and loses his business and Trump gets a third of the work done for free. Pretty nice business practice. Is this the sort of man you want to be President of the United States?

You can't go bankrupt and hide if you're a country.

His bankruptcies have caused much despair to many a man.

He's smart enough to hire good layers, I'll give him that.
He's a cheat.

Did you know Chris Christie was the prosecutor that put Trumps son-in-law’s father in jail? It runs deep.

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May 25, 2016 18:33:15   #
PawneeCounty Loc: Oklahoma USA
 
sosueme wrote:
Two consenting adults doesn't add up to anything too serious as far as I'm concerned.
Would you freely admit you were having sex on the side to your spouse? Would you tell the kids, would you phone your mom? I doubt it. Mind you those who protest the most, eh'. ;)

Did you forget about those other guys that were impeaching Clinton? It seems like Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston were a little red faced after they admitted their pants were down too.

Don't forget good ol' Denny Hastert, he was doing it to little boys but he never told anyone. Not even while he was shaking his finger at Clinton. What do you think of that?
Doing 15 months for serial abuse to children, right now.

Yeah, Hillary already admitted and appologized that she did what the previous SOS's had done and as for her server, no one said it was illegal.
Still she hasn't been hacked. It seems her email server was a safer bet then the Government one.
What a shame no one can see that. Haters will hate.
Two consenting adults doesn't add up to anything t... (show quote)


Well none of them are running for President are they?

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May 25, 2016 18:37:59   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
sosueme wrote:
He was given a million dollars from his dad to start with and greased the palms of many to get what he wanted, illegally. When his dad died he got more money.
You know he owed so much money to the banks that they actually couldn't pull him down, just the little guys around him. They took the fall. They even put him on an allowance. A grown man got his hands slapped while the people all around him were falling like flies.

It's like this, a sub contractor starts the work, asks for the draws as expected and gets told to finish the total job even though the contract said draw on the third of the job but Trump says no, finish it or sue me. Contractor can't go forward and loses his business and Trump gets a third of the work done for free. Pretty nice business practice. Is this the sort of man you want to be President of the United States?

You can't go bankrupt and hide if you're a country.

His bankruptcies have caused much despair to many a man.

He's smart enough to hire good layers, I'll give him that.
He's a cheat.

Did you know Chris Christie was the prosecutor that put Trumps son-in-law’s father in jail? It runs deep.
He was given a million dollars from his dad to sta... (show quote)


Indeed. How it is that people think big business and corporatism has anything whatsoever to do with ethics or social responsibility boggles the mind. Yet this is how we run our country, pretending that its actually translatable to what's supposed to be a representative-republic! Unreal.

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May 25, 2016 18:39:02   #
sosueme
 
PawneeCounty wrote:
Well none of them are running for President are they?


Exactly. So why is anyone concerned about it?

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May 25, 2016 18:49:25   #
sosueme
 
peter11937 wrote:
No, she caused a loss of respect for America, helped terrorists succeed, supplied our enemies with actionable information with her private, unsecured, illegal server, and has lied about everything.


The first two here, sorry you're mixing up Hillary with Bush and Cheney.
The last, what enemies were supplied with information from Hillarys emails? Proof please.

You're spreading falsehoods.

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May 25, 2016 18:57:19   #
sosueme
 
Loki wrote:
Help was available, it just wasn't sent. As for the Foundation, it is still pending. There are different rules for Clintons, just as there are different rules if your name is Bush or Kennedy.


It wasn't sent because it was too far away. The whole fire fight lasted three hours. The closest help was 12 hours away.

If your house was on fire and you lived in California would you call your sister in Australia to put it out and expect her to get there in time?

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May 25, 2016 19:03:25   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
sosueme wrote:
Two consenting adults doesn't add up to anything too serious as far as I'm concerned.
Would you freely admit you were having sex on the side to your spouse? Would you tell the kids, would you phone your mom? I doubt it. Mind you those who protest the most, eh'. ;)

Did you forget about those other guys that were impeaching Clinton? It seems like Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston were a little red faced after they admitted their pants were down too.

Don't forget good ol' Denny Hastert, he was doing it to little boys but he never told anyone. Not even while he was shaking his finger at Clinton. What do you think of that?
Doing 15 months for serial abuse to children, right now.

Yeah, Hillary already admitted and appologized that she did what the previous SOS's had done and as for her server, no one said it was illegal.
Still she hasn't been hacked. It seems her email server was a safer bet then the Government one.
What a shame no one can see that. Haters will hate.
Two consenting adults doesn't add up to anything t... (show quote)


It was illegal, and she knew it was illegal. As Secretary of State, not to mention a former Senator, she knew what was classified. She signed agreements and statements that she had been informed, just like every other Sec/State. She did not know that the [at least] 22 emails on her private server that were so sensitive that most of congress wasn't cleared to read them were classified?

Sure. Right.

By the way, here is a list of Diplomatic Security Service personnel. A lot of them are armed. You actually believe that after 8 months of requests, budget or not, they could not shake loose a handful of extra guards? REALLY?



Our organization began in April 1916 as a small group of federal agents, overseen by a Foreign Service Officer, who responded to espionage and fraud threats prior to the U.S. decision to enter World War I. Today, DSS includes more than 2,000 Special Agents, 200 Security Engineering Officers, and 100 Diplomatic Couriers. The DSS family also includes more than 150 Security Technical Specialists, 90 Criminal Investigators, 2,000 Marine Security Guards, 120 Navy Seabees, 1,050 Uniformed Protection Officers and Guards, 34,000 Foreign Guard and surveillance detection personnel, and 850 Civil Servants. Alongside interagency and international partners, Diplomatic Security personnel serve in 31 Field and Resident Offices in the United States, and in 275 U.S. diplomatic missions in more than 160 foreign countries.

http://blogs.state.gov/stories/2016/04/04/state-department-s-diplomatic-security-service-turns-100

You say "haters will hate." I say "Lemmings will be lemmings." Hillary supporters are convincing proof of that.

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May 25, 2016 19:07:39   #
dwallace2015
 
If Trump is a "fraud, liar, cheater", what does that make "Obama (keep your coverage, murdering an American citizen without due process), or Hillary (killing ambassador and covering it up, releasing secret emails etc...). Both of these villains have no right to be in any position of trust/power and/or leadership of America. Obama is a fraud from his first election on. Obama is the premier liar of this age, Hillary is number two, literally. (Pun intended). Trump is not a politician, (a very large point in his favor). Trump is a business man who has built up a multi-billion dollar fortune and made a resounding success of himself. Trump has a talent for recruiting knowledgeable people to handle problems and advise him in areas where he has no expertise. Trump doesn't rely on toadies and friends to fill important positions in his businesses. Trump is the sort of person who needs to run our country so as to bring it back to being profitable and successful. Not Like Obama who sent our land into an 18 TRILLION dollar pit of debt, by his own hand. (One might ask, "where the HELL did that 18 trillion dollars go? It didn't go into the military, or the infra-structure of this country, or the myriad of industries who had to leave because of the outrageous taxes levied on them forced them out. It sure as hell didn't go into our schools or institutes of higher learning. It didn't go into the aging roads/highways, or the bridges and rail systems here either. And it G*D damned well didn't go into our broken, health care system. We need Trump to save us from Obama/Hillary.



Jack2014 wrote:
DAILY COMMENT
THE DANGEROUS ACCEPTANCE OF DONALD TRUMP
By Adam Gopnik , May 20, 2016
Columnists and magazines that a month ago were saying #NeverTrump are now vibrating with the frisson of his audacity.
Columnists and magazines that a month ago were saying #NeverTrump are now vibrating with the frisson of his audacity.
PHOTOGRAPH BY PETER VAN AGTMAEL / MAGNUM
œVice is a monster of so frightful mien, / As, to be hated, needs but to be seen,the poet Alexander Pope wrote, in lines that were once, as they said back in the day, imprinted on the mind of every schoolboy. Pope continued, Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, / we first endure, then pity, then embrace.The three-part process by which the gross becomes the taken for granted has been on matchlessly grim view this past week in the ascent of Donald Trump. First merely endured by those in the Republican Party, with pained grimaces and faint bleats of reluctance, bare toleration passed quickly over into blind, partisan allegiance he going to be the nominee, after all, and so is our boy. Then a weird kind of pity arose, directed not so much at him (he supplies his own self-pity) as at his supporters, on the premise that their existence somehow makes him a champion for the dispossessed, although the evidence indicates that his followers are mostly stirred by familiar racial and cultural resentments, of which Trump has been a single-minded spokesperson.

Now for the embrace. One by one, people who had not merely resisted him before but called him by his proper name who, until a month ago, were determined to oppose a man they rightly described as a con artist and a pathological liar are suddenly getting on board. Columnists and magazines that a month ago were saying #NeverTrump are now vibrating with the frisson of his audacity, fawning over him or at least thrilling to his rising poll numbers and telling one another, We can control him.


No, you can. One can argue about whether to call him a fascist or an authoritarian populist or a grotesque joke made in a nightmare shared between Philip K. Dick and Tom Wolfe, but under any label Trump is a declared enemy of the liberal constitutional order of the United States the order that has made it, in fact, the great and plural country that it already is. He announces his enmity to America by word and action every day. It is articulated in his insistence on the rightness of torture and the acceptable murder of noncombatants. It is self-evident in the threats he makes daily to destroy his political enemies, made only worse by the frivolity and transience of the tone of those threats. He makes his enmity to American values clear when he suggests that the Presidency holds absolute power, through which he will be able to end opposition whether by questioning the ownership of newspapers or talking about changing libel laws or threatening to take away F.C.C. licenses. To say Well, he would not really have the power to accomplish that is to misunderstand the nature of thin-skinned authoritarians in power. They do not arrive in office and discover, as constitutionalists do, that their capabilities are more limited than they imagined. They arrive, and then make their power as large as they can.

And Trump announces his enmity in the choice of his companions. The Murdoch media conglomerate has been ordered to acquiesce; it is no surprise that it has. But Trumps other fellow-travellers include Roger Stone, the Republican political operative and dirty-tricks maven, while his venues have included the broadcasts of Alex Jones, a ranting conspiracy theorist who believes in a Globalist plot wherein an alien force not of this world is attacking humanity not to mention Jones marketing of the theory that Michelle Obama is a transvestite who murdered Joan Rivers. These are not harmless oddballs Trump is flirting with. This is not the lunatic fringe. These are the lunatics.

Ted Cruz called Trump a pathological liar, the kind who does not know the difference between lies and truth. Whatever the clinical diagnosis, we do appear to be getting, in place of the once famous Big Lie of the nineteen-thirties, a sordid blizzard of lies. The Big Lie was fit for a time of processionals and nighttime rallies, and films that featured them. The blizzard of lies is made for Twitter and the quick hit of an impulse culture. TrumpÃlies arrive with such rapidity that before one can be refuted a new one comes to take its place. It wasn't his voice on that tape of pitiful self-promotion. O.K., it was but he never mocked the handicapped reporter, he was merely imitating an obsequious one. The media eventually moves on, shrugging helplessly, to the next lie. Then the next lie, and the next. If the lies are bizarre enough and frequent enough, they provoke little more than a nervous giggle and a cry of Well, guess hes changed the rules!

Hes not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isn't. But then Hitler wasn'tHitler until he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance. It depended on conservatives pretending he wasn't so bad, compared with the Communists, while at the same time the militant left decided that their real enemies were the moderate leftists, who were really indistinguishable from the Nazis. The radical progressives decided that there was no difference between the democratic left and the totalitarian right and that an explosion of institutions was exactly the most thrilling thing imaginable.


The American Republic stands threatened by the first overtly anti-democratic leader of a large party in its modern history an authoritarian with no grasp of history, no impulse control, and no apparent barriers on his will to power. The right thing to do, for everyone who believes in liberal democracy, is to gather around and work to defeat him on Election Day. Instead, we seem to be either engaged in parochial feuding or caught by habits of tribal hatred so ingrained that they have become impossible to escape even at moments of maximum danger. Bernie Sanders wouldn't mind bringing down the Democratic Party to prevent it from surrendering to corporate forces and yet he may be increasing the possibility of rule-by-billionaire.

There is a difference between major and minor issues, and between primary and secondary values. Many of us think that it would be terrible if the radical-revisionist reading of the Second Amendment created by the Heller decision eight years ago was kept in place in a constitutional court; many on the other side think it would be terrible if that other radical decision, Roe v. Wade, continued to be found to be compatible with the constitutional order. What we all should agree on is that the one thing worse would be to have no constitutional order left to argue about.

If Trump came to power, there is a decent chance that the American experiment would be over. This is not a hyperbolic prediction; it is not a hysterical prediction; it is simply a candid reading of what history tells us happens in countries with leaders like Trump. Countries don't really recover from being taken over by unstable authoritarian nationalists of any political bent, left or right not by Peron or Castros or Putins or Francos or Lenins or fill in the blanks. The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal. Ask Argentinians or Chileans or Venezuelans or Russians or Italians or Germans. The national psyche never gets over learning that its institutions are that fragile and their ability to resist a dictator that weak. If he can rout the Republican Party in a week by having effectively secured the nomination, ask yourself what Trump could do with the American government if he had a mandate. Before those famous schoolroom lines, Pope made another observation, which was that even as you recognize that the world is a mixed-up place, you still can't fool yourself about the difference between the acceptable and the unacceptable: Fools! who from hence into the notion fall / That vice or virtue there is none at all,he wrote. Is there no black or white? / Ask your own heart, and nothing is so plain; / Tis to mistake them, costs the time and pain.The pain of not seeing that black is black soon enough will be ours, and the time to recognize this is now.
DAILY COMMENT br THE DANGEROUS ACCEPTANCE OF DONAL... (show quote)

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May 25, 2016 19:14:06   #
sosueme
 
Loki wrote:
It was illegal, and she knew it was illegal. As Secretary of State, not to mention a former Senator, she knew what was classified. She signed agreements and statements that she had been informed, just like every other Sec/State. She did not know that the [at least] 22 emails on her private server that were so sensitive that most of congress wasn't cleared to read them were classified?

Sure. Right.


It was a regulation with no penalty applied to it. Obviously it was not illegal or she'd be done then, period.

Well if she didn't know then no intent on her part, right?
I don't understand your problem here. That is obviously a point in her favour.

You know, I can't understand why people hate her so much that they will try to find any reason to do her in. Is it that she's a woman?

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May 25, 2016 19:15:53   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
sosueme wrote:
It was a regulation with no penalty applied to it. Obviously it was not illegal or she'd be done then, period.

Well if she didn't know then no intent on her part, right?
I don't understand your problem here. That is obviously a point in her favour.

You know, I can't understand why people hate her so much that they will try to find any reason to do her in. Is it that she's a woman?


I can't understand why people blindly support her in the face of so much evidence. Is it that they are morons?

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May 25, 2016 19:20:43   #
sosueme
 
dwallace2015 wrote:
If Trump is a "fraud, liar, cheater", what does that make "Obama (keep your coverage, murdering an American citizen without due process), or Hillary (killing ambassador and covering it up, releasing secret emails etc...). Both of these villains have no right to be in any position of trust/power and/or leadership of America. Obama is a fraud from his first election on. Obama is the premier liar of this age, Hillary is number two, literally. (Pun intended). Trump is not a politician, (a very large point in his favor). Trump is a business man who has built up a multi-billion dollar fortune and made a resounding success of himself. Trump has a talent for recruiting knowledgeable people to handle problems and advise him in areas where he has no expertise. Trump doesn't rely on toadies and friends to fill important positions in his businesses. Trump is the sort of person who needs to run our country so as to bring it back to being profitable and successful. Not Like Obama who sent our land into an 18 TRILLION dollar pit of debt, by his own hand. (One might ask, "where the HELL did that 18 trillion dollars go? It didn't go into the military, or the infra-structure of this country, or the myriad of industries who had to leave because of the outrageous taxes levied on them forced them out. It sure as hell didn't go into our schools or institutes of higher learning. It didn't go into the aging roads/highways, or the bridges and rail systems here either. And it G*D damned well didn't go into our broken, health care system. We need Trump to save us from Obama/Hillary.
If Trump is a "fraud, liar, cheater", wh... (show quote)


With all your made up crap posted here I have three things to say to you.

1. How many people did Bush and Cheney kill and harm?
2. How bad was the USA bleeding when Bush left office?
3. Who saved America from a full blown depression?

I'm interested in your answer. Thank-you.

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May 25, 2016 19:26:52   #
sosueme
 
Loki wrote:
I can't understand why people blindly support her in the face of so much evidence. Is it that they are morons?


There is no evidence. Do you have any, no one else seems to?

I can't understand why anyone who would vote for Trump. Oh, yes I can. It's because they're poorly educated morons. Trump says so himself. He loves the poorly educated. Man that would be enough to make me not want to vote for him. He thinks you're all dumb.
Don the Duper has your vote.

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May 25, 2016 19:37:39   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
sosueme wrote:
Two consenting adults doesn't add up to anything too serious as far as I'm concerned.
Would you freely admit you were having sex on the side to your spouse? Would you tell the kids, would you phone your mom? I doubt it. Mind you those who protest the most, eh'. ;)

Did you forget about those other guys that were impeaching Clinton? It seems like Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston were a little red faced after they admitted their pants were down too.

Don't forget good ol' Denny Hastert, he was doing it to little boys but he never told anyone. Not even while he was shaking his finger at Clinton. What do you think of that?
Doing 15 months for serial abuse to children, right now.

Yeah, Hillary already admitted and appologized that she did what the previous SOS's had done and as for her server, no one said it was illegal.
Still she hasn't been hacked. It seems her email server was a safer bet then the Government one.
What a shame no one can see that. Haters will hate.
Two consenting adults doesn't add up to anything t... (show quote)


Not true, it was and is illegal, violating the record keeping act passed in 1997, She had attended a class on the matter and signed a required statement that she had read and understood it. Yet, she willfully violated it. BTW bad behavior cannot be justified by referring to other bad behavior.

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May 25, 2016 19:40:16   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
sosueme wrote:
With all your made up crap posted here I have three things to say to you.

1. How many people did Bush and Cheney kill and harm?
2. How bad was the USA bleeding when Bush left office?
3. Who saved America from a full blown depression?

I'm interested in your answer. Thank-you.


Obama has his own death toll to consider.
How bad was the US bleeding? We were ten trillion dollars in debt. Cumulative from the founding of the country, After less than 8 years of Obama, we are 20 trillion dollars in debt. Actual unemployment is at least 50% higher than government figures. That doesn't count part timers who used to be full time.`

Who saved America from a full blown depression? It wasn't Obama.

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