lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Their personal religious beliefs are irrelevant - just as are ours. Religious freedom means just that and no more. The freedom to engage in the religious practices of one's CHOICE, not the freedom to engage in the religious practices CHOSEN for one - by the Government.

Our founding ancestors ( preceding the founding Fathers by nearly 100 years ), came here to avoid religious persecution - for not conforming to the State religion of their homeland. Now, some are attempting to do HERE, what our forebears fled from. Coming full circle after 240 years.

katgiles

The USA was definitely founded on Christian principles. It is shown with the "In God we Trust" inscribed on our money. It is shown in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Federalist Papers, and in the hearts and minds of true Americans. It is shown in our Army, Navy, Marines, and Air force men and women (except those who are Muslims). It is shown in The Holy Bible. Most of all, it is shown by the great country that America once was before the Clintons, Bushes and Obama. It will be shown again under President Trump.

GRB777

The constitution has nothing to do with GODS law. His law forbids killing people; yet you fight for gun rights. Those of you who attend a church, with some exceptions, attend on the first day of the week {Sunday} instead of the true Sabbath which is the seventh day, Gen. 2:2. You look to a man to run your life breaking the first commandment. This year many of you want to place a woman in the office of president when the bible clearly says in 11 Timothy 2:11 thru 14 that a woman is never under any circumstances to have authority over men. Romans chapter 2 makes it clear that you have no authority to pass judgment on another. This does away with judges, lawyers, and juries. It is no secret that Washington and several other writers were freemasons. Free masonry is nothing less than devil worship. Do the research, if you dare. America rejects GOD just as did its' ancestors . Read 1 Samuel chapter 8. Your forefathers rejected GOD and insisted on a king, {president}. GOD told Samuel to let them have their king and furthermore what would happen when they went ahead with their rebellion. This chapter was written hundreds of years ago; it could have been written this morning it is so accurate. You have a problem with this post,and no doubt you do. Fine don't call yourself a Christian . What I wrote is right out of the bible. You have a problem with GODS law, and that certainly is a problem.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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OH, I believe they were. There is little to contradict that opinion. Yes, slavery was allowed, but given all that went on in the world of that day, and given than many nations had slavery, and given that no nation seemed to think in terms of INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY, I don't believe slavery was seen by anyone as sinful. Of course we do now, but everyone should bear in mind that as times change, so does thinking and so do beliefs.......and that can be good OR bad.

Our founders set up the finest government ever designed or devised, and it has been beneficial for all citizens: white, black, brown.....ALL CITIZENS. Unfortunately it has devolved into a dictatorial, hate filled oligarchy that MUST be brought under control before it totally destroys all that so many have died for.

While Christians are not the ONLY good and principled people, Christianity, being a group of people who mostly think similarly, has been the glue that has held America together as long as it has......that is exactly why the sociopaths in this country are determined to extinguish it at any and all cost.

PS. No, I am not a Christian, but neither am I a blithering idiot. The political left consists of ONLY blithering idiots.

Holdenbeach4u Loc: Holden Beach , NC

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

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Ron Paul tried for years to abolish the Department of Education along with other wotrhhless, and unconstitutional govt bureaus.

Politicians, news media, and stand up comedians called him a nut.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Ergo, our government routinely kills any new or different ideas aside from the established dead government wannabes. We have lost our constitutional republic to the grifters in Congess, in SCOTUS, in Atty generals, in the MSM.......we now have a dictatorial oligarchy with no honest powers whatsoever.......they have REAL POWER, the power to kill us without answering for it (see Ruby Ridge and the Branch Davidians), but it is not HONEST power......it is the power of the enemy who is NOT ON OUR SIDE, be we left or right.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I will bet that I am one of the few here who took the trouble to read your offerings from James Watkins. I saw too much there that doesn't agree with most of the left leaners we have here and it makes me think that those founders really were more desirous of establishing a government that today's leaners just can't accept. Watkins provided several complete writings by Jefferson, Madison and the Adams men that we often see only parts of from leaners. Here are the words of John Adams, who was our second President and is often quoted, in part, by our leaners. The secularists are so good at taking words out of context and will do it to the words of anyone for their needs.

John Adams

The second President (or tenth if you consider John Hanson the first) wrote to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813:

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature.

However, Adams is often quoted as saying, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!” However, here’s the complete quotation in an April 19, 1817, letter to Thomas Jefferson:

Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.

Little Ball of Hate

Show me where the Constitution mentions separation of Church and State. You can't. The Supreme Court complete botched this one. It is perfectly clear what our founding fathers meant. They wrote about it, and discussed it among themselves. Their intention was to keep government out of religion. Not to keep people of faith from serving in public office, or preventing their beliefs from influencing their decisions. Or to keep those evil Christians from praying in school. History shows that time after time when a nation abandons the religious principles it was founded on, chaos is the result. America is further proof of that. Just take a good look at what's happening.

Little Ball of Hate

None of that invalidates what I posted. I made the claim that our founding fathers were Christians. I backed up that claim. This country was founded on Christian principles. Those principles made America the greatest nation in history. Now that people are turning away from God, look what's happening. Chaos. Confusion. Division. Hatred. It's everywhere. And it is happening in direct proportion to how intolerant our populace and our elected officials are against Christians. And just who are these "people" who are trying to enforce a state religion? I've never heard of them. Just who are they?

straightUp Loc: California

Ha, ha... Obviously you didn't actually READ the article... It was very clear in it's conclusion that not all the founding fathers were Christian and that the foundation they laid was intentionally meant for both those who subscribe to the Apostles Creed AND those that don't. To quote the authors exact words...

"we should be grateful that the Founding Fathers—whatever they believed—were so intent on making religious liberty a right for those of us who do subscribe to the Apostles’ Creed and those who don’t."

I hope you never stop trying because I always love a good laugh.

Little Ball of Hate

It is also very clear that I did not claim that all of them were Christians. But just about every one of them believed in God. Their religious convictions guided them in setting up the form of government we have. So, yes. America is, or was, a Christian country. And that made it the greatest country ever. But then you dirty ass liberals got a hold of it and wrecked it for everyone. My only satisfaction is knowing that you will also live in the same mess you're creating for the rest of us. Hope you enjoy it.

straightUp Loc: California

Here's another direct quote from the article...

"I am a subscriber to the Apostles’ Creed (I’ve had a “subscription” since second grade). I would love to document that the most prominent Founding Fathers were orthodox Christians. However, I’m also a journalist who is committed to being an OAF (Objective, Accurate, and Fair), so I have only included quotations where I could find at least two collaborating, reliable sources. So this essay continues to be a work in progress. If you have a relevant quotation from one of the Founding Fathers regarding his faith or find an error, please email me with at least two reliable sources. Thanks!"

So he's looking for any help he can get to forward the "Christian" argument... At least he's being honest - I'll say that.

Holdenbeach4u Loc: Holden Beach , NC

Got a President making laws out of no where. President said on May13,2016 that all 50 states [ omitting Texas and North Carolina ] that ALL public schools
will let BOTH sexes in locker rooms of ALL ages . A bull crap LAW !

straightUp Loc: California

Then I don't understand your argument. Many of not most non-Christians believe in God. Jews believe in God and they are not Christians. Muslims believe in God and they are not Christians, even non-religious people like myself believes there is a God and yet you seem to be suggesting that because most of the founders believed in God, the foundation they laid was based on Christian principals. That doesn't make any sense.


First let's be clear about what they were actually building. They were building a government. Nothing more. The building blocks of that government are laws. That was the product of their efforts. Laws. Now... show me one single example of a law they established, such as anything listed in the Constitution, that actually states a Christian value. And I don't mean things like "being good" because being Christian might be good, but being good doesn't make you a Christian. There are plenty of good non-Christians out there. If you can't come up with an answer (which you won't) then I will assume you're being like all the others and just using a vague notion to make a broad claim that if something is good, it must be Christian.


Greatest country ever? WTF are you basing THAT wild notion on? The founders authored a highly respected Constitution but outside of that America has never been any different than any other country, filled with good people and bad people. If anything the liberals made America a better place for the bulk of it's people.