OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

President Barack Obama is running "one of the biggest con games" in U.S. history with the Affordable Care Act, says U.S. Rep. Mo Brooks tells Newsmax. "This guy is the deceiver-in-chief. I don't know of a more accurate way to describe (it)."

http://www.newsmax.com/#ixzz2n2gQ88eH

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

Don't you love it when you start a topic thread with an anti-Obama article and it gets ignored?

Obama's con goes far beyond just the ACA. The American people have been played the fool. The campaigner and chief is a very gifted public speaker, but there is someone behind him pulling the strings. Dare I say anything about the Bilderberg Group?

For that I may end up in 'indefinite detention'.

Art

Ok, you got me researching the Bilderberg Group. In a nut shell of political interest, Bilderberg is accused of conspiracies. Some on the left accuse the Bilderberg group of conspiring to impose capitalist domination, while some on the right have accused the group of conspiring to impose a world government and planned economy.

I'm sure you are so afraid of "indefinite detention", (not) :roll:
but I am interested in your perspective about this secret group.

Art

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

Actually I'm glad you asked. I will share my thoughts without crossing the line where black masked armed men will kick in my door.
Daniel Estulin authored “The True Story of the Bilderberg Group” it was last revised in 2009, He has recently authored "The Octopus Deception" He will be able to go much further in depth than I will here. The black masked guys would love to silence him.

In a nutshell the Bilderberg Group is a shadow government that meets secretly each year. Membership representing a who’s who of world power elites, mostly from America, Canada, and Western Europe with familiar names like David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Bill Clinton, Gordon Brown, Angela Merkel, Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, Lloyd Blankfein, George Soros, Donald Rumsfeld, Rupert Murdoch, other heads of state, influential senators, congressmen and parliamentarians, Pentagon and NATO brass, members of European royalty, selected media figures, and invited others – some quietly by some accounts like Barack Obama and many of his top officials.

Always well represented are top figures from the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), IMF, World Bank, Trilateral Commission, EU, and powerful central bankers from the Federal Reserve, the ECB’s Jean-Claude Trichet, and Bank of England’s Mervyn King.

For over half a century, no agenda or discussion topics became public nor is any press coverage allowed. The few invited fourth estate attendees and their bosses are sworn to secrecy.

Bilderbergers want to supplant individual nation-state sovereignty with an all-powerful global government, corporate controlled, and check-mated by militarized enforcement.

The conspiracy theorists (both the conservative and liberal) are both correct. Capitalist domination and a One World Gov't is the goal. Many of the mainstream media elites are controlled by the Bilderbergs. CBS president is known to routinely attends the annual meetings. Others are harder to pin down.
“What most Americans believe to be ‘Public Opinion’ is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public.” -Ken Adachi

There is far more to this than I am willing to post in this forum. Some will label me a conspiracy extremist for saying what I have posted here. I will refer you to Estulin's book, reading that will open up new subjects for you to do independent research and see the connections for yourself.

imp Loc: Mn.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/previous-articles/the_9-11_cover-up_part_3/

Part of the depopulation plan probably. Click on the blue words at this link where it says cover up part 3.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Obamacare has been a con game since Day One. The billions in premiums being paid to insurance companies, were and are an irresistible target, and are the intended goal, and for that reason, nothing less than Single-Payer, i.e., complete federal government control will ever satisfy.

Untold millions will be siphoned off for unauthorized presidential political rewards and bribes to recalculate legislators and/or private partisans.

There is nothing in this bill to encourage a larger enrollment of future doctors into the country's medical school, or to assist in funding their education. That should have been a priority when the bill was passed if the actual goal was providing better healthcare to millions of additional people.

Surely, this would have occurred to someone, but I've never heard it mentioned.

The entire bill is intended to gradually provide less healthcare, less innovative development of new drugs, fewer inventions of tools such as heart stints.

The lack of actual healthcare that will be forthcoming is intended especially to affect the elderly, for the elderly are wise enough to see through this president and his administration's lies and aims, and are a hindrance to the transformation of the United States into something ugly and no longer recognizable.

Confused

With every turn of the page we see yet another lie in the ACA . It neither affordable or about care . It was an obvious con job written by the insurance industry to defraud the American people . When corporations write law we have arrived at the doorstep of Fascism .
Proceed with caution ..

rrmoderate

President Barack Obama is running "one of the biggest con games" in U.S. history with the Affordable Care Act, says U.S. Rep. Mo Brooks tells Newsmax. "This guy is the deceiver-in-chief. I don't know of a more accurate way to describe (it)."

http://www.newsmax.com/#ixzz2n2gQ88eH[/quote]

Mo Brooks?? Alabama 5th District?? That doesn't exactly lean towards balanced in any political position, does it??

Realistically, all of the cards on the ACA aren't yet on the table. No question, the roll-out was a major screw up. However, that's now mostly resolved. But also no question that the millions of lousy and minimal coverage insurance plans will no longer be offered to those who can least afford them. Also no question that pre-existing circumstances can no longer lead to coverage cancellation. Also no question that our children can be included on our policies to age 25. How can any of these among other factors be bad?

I believe that we all have a major case of heartburn over the 'penalty aspects' of the ACA. If that is what it takes to move citizens along into a coverage plan - so be it. How long can we all afford to pay for hospital emergency rooms to provide primary care services for those without any coverage??? It has to stop someplace.....

Forget the political rhetoric and look at the positive side. It isn't even close call.... At the end of the day, the ACA is and was the only plan on the table. The right side hasn't done a damn thing to resolve these blaring issues other than nay-say the ACA. There's no Republican alternative to consider at this time and wasn't one when the ACA hit the floor of the House.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Everyone says that he is a gifted speaker, I say he has good speech writers and can read off the teleprompter. Watch some of his speeches he reads every word; even the press conferences are staged. A set of questions are given to him a few days in advance. He selects the ones he will answer and each word is carefully crafted for him to read. That is why he seems so good, once in a while (not often after the slip up in 2010) you can get a snap shot on his real thoughts when someone forgets to turn off his mike.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

THERE IS NO POSITIVE SIDE!!!!!!! Wake up and stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Put that computer to a better use and do some REAL research with it. NOTHING POSITIVE WILL COME FROM OBAMACARE...NOTHING, ZIP, NADA, ZILCH.......

rrmoderate

You are apparently buried in and/or consumed by the far right rhetoric. Look more closely at the overall plan. BTW - I've always hated Kool-Aid.

Art

OldSchool,

All I can do is judge anything based on my past experience and what is happening now. I'm one of those old people you may seem to be disappointed in. I respect your passion and perspectives as you have your own experiences in life that have formed your opinions. But here we are with opposing views on the ACA or Obama Care.

I have not read the whole ACA. Like any legal document I have read, it is open to a lot of interpretation and somewhere I think my brain just shuts down and I have to say this is just it is just too complicated for me to comprehend. Since the ACA has become law, I now just watch it unfold and adjust as it is implemented.

With reports of the government health care web-sights doing better, I wonder if it is because of advocates such as you who have pointed out the original flaws. I wonder as a result of political pressure the web-sights will eventually function better than originally it would have. If this is so, I want to thank you for your contribution for making something work better that is of service to so many Americans.

As an old person, my private insurance has become too expensive as I aged and I had to turn to medicare. While medicare isn't perfect, it’s there for me. Before ACA, my friends lost their private healthcare insurances when they needed it most as my medicare coverage was somehow getting better. All these years I worked, I have been investing in both private and government health care insurance. Even though private healthcare insurance failed my needs, here am I today with better healthcare options than my neighbors who did not invest in medicare or are still not eligible to get it yet. I hear your passion about how wonderful private health insurance is, but I would be an idiot to ignore my experience that show private health insurance hasn't worked for me and most of my neighbors. I live in a community where most are from upper middle income or are wealthy. Some wealthy friends who can pay the $1,600 a month premiums and high deductibles do so. Sadly I have seen my middle income friends who pay the high premiums but cannot afford their share of cost. In one case , while there were still some options to cure my neighbor’s cancer, her share of costs was beyond her financial reach and was denied the care that could have saved her life and so she died.

Anyway in closing, keep doing what you are doing. The ACA could go better because of you and advocates like you or it will fail and we will move on to plan B. What is plan B?

Confused

Good reply but with 5 % of the population uninsured it seems rather redundant to include the other functioning 95 % . Unless this involves another plot for government intrusion into yet another part of our lives . The underlying theme of the Constitution was to limit government . Can we really trust the Supreme Court that says corporations are people to make the call when a government wants to mandate what I buy and call it a tax ? The name "affordable " was a lie from the beginning . Computerizing the health records are nice for doctor patient but when you are required to hire extra staff to report them to the government it costs the doctors money . If the answer is to subsidize those without then a simple program ( a large pool ) for the 5 % might do the job . Surprising to find 5 % of the population are 50 % of health care costs . I guess we should have read the bill .. My tin foil hat says this was an insurance company profit bill more than it was health care .

Art

There is something to what you say there. Tin foil hats if folded just right can look pretty good, keep your hat on and we'll see.
:-)

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

I have looked at the plan, and YOU HAVE NOT!! If you think you're going to get better and cheaper care under Obamacare, man are you ever delusional. Use your freakin' head other than for a hat rack! God, are you ever dumb!