Did Mandela really spew these words? I never paid a lot of attention to him after he was released from prison, but he was one of the most serious activist progressives the world has...

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I never paid a lot of attention to him after he was released from prison, but he was one of the most serious activist progressives the world has ever seen. I bet that not one of these quotes is false. Anybody care to tear into me about it?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/the-real-mandela-in-his-own-words/

Thunder

Mandela : One of the worlds greatest TERRORIST a known fact

Thunder

Oh I forgot that's why Obumer admires him so much . Two of a kind .

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Thunder wrote:

Oh I forgot that's why Obumer admires him so much . Two of a kind .

I fear that you are right about Mandela but so many don't really know about his earlier days and have come to think of him as something he wasn't since he stayed in prison so long and came out supposedly bragging about his captors.

Thunder

Oldroy Others should think about the real facts as U do .

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

oldroy wrote:

I never paid a lot of attention to him after he was released from prison, but he was one of the most serious activist progressives the world has ever seen. I bet that not one of these quotes is false. Anybody care to tear into me about it?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/the-real-mandela-in-his-own-words/

Mandela was what he was. A communist useful idiot. He suffered for his beliefs and overcome his enemies. I respect him for that and for his life of helping others. As far as I know he never attempted to convert his nation into a communist dictatorship.

Whatamess Loc: SC

ABBAsFernando wrote:

Mandela was what he was. A communist useful idiot. He suffered for his beliefs and overcome his enemies. I respect him for that and for his life of helping others. As far as I know he never attempted to convert his nation into a communist dictatorship.

No, he had 29 years to think about it. Had he not gone to prison Communisum would have been his ultimate goal, Wonder what changed his mind? I do agree with you, he did spend his life helping others.

Ghost Loc: The 1st state to ever secede

The truth tends to find people in hardship. Perhaps Mandela had an awakening? People can change but alas there are those who will not change not even in the face of doom they will not change.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Ghost wrote:

The truth tends to find people in hardship. Perhaps Mandela had an awakening? People can change but alas there are those who will not change not even in the face of doom they will not change.

I think he behaved a lot different after getting released but I do wonder if a man can change completely from as far left as he was when he was put away. It is a lead pipe cinch that the media has convinced most people that he was something other than what he was when he went to prison.

meekep

Mandela said lots of things and taking them one at a time with little or know historical context makes it easy to miss many things. Mandela was not a communist--he learned from and used them-- but grew to be a pragmatic politician. When he came to power he did not nationalize the economy but bowed to the pressures and the reality that the capitalists could easily break the new democracy. The terrorist label is just that a subjective label: if you don't like their politics they are terrorists, if you do they are freedom fighters. Mujahadeen freedom fighters for Reagan Al Queda terrorist if your Bush. South Africa is a new democracy and they have a lot to work on but hey we didn't give African-Americans the right to vote for 200 years. We all make our mistakes.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

meekep wrote:

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Is it my being an Army veteran or the things I say politically that makes me a terrorist to the DHS? Do you remember when Big Sis said that veterans were probably terrorists. Although I am a veteran I got out of the Army in 1957 but she still considered me to be a terrorist.

meekep

I am in a poor position to judge your services as "terrorist". Does the United States engage in terrorism? http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition. Read our own official definition and judge our country, our history, for yourself. Does it apply to you and what you did? My observations are that the United States has historically used terrorism for its own ends (and weapons of mass destruction too). That said, as a citizen, if I don't like that (and I don't) then I need to do something about it. I choose peaceful means but am not a pacifist. The military is one tool a government has. I only wish our government used that tool more wisely. You can hammer a screw for only so long before you figure out somethings not working.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

meekep wrote:

I am in a poor position to judge your services as ... (show quote)

I guess the fact that I broke the Geneva Convention rules everyday I did my job would make me a possible terrorist. However, back there in the Cold War days the other side was doing the same thing to our military that we did to theirs. I never worried one minute about what I was doing since I knew the other people were doing it to us.

meekep

Now you have a truer lens with which to examine Mandela. You both broke laws during a time of war. Does this make you a terrible awful person today? Incapable of love or compassion? I doubt it. Two great warriors from our history, Smedley Butler and Dwight Eisenhower, once removed from the battlefield were able to give perspective to every warriors plight--an oft-times invisible hand was using them and did that serve the greater good or just line somebody's pocket.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

meekep wrote:

Now you have a truer lens with which to examine Mandela. You both broke laws during a time of war. Does this make you a terrible awful person today? Incapable of love or compassion? I doubt it. Two great warriors from our history, Smedley Butler and Dwight Eisenhower, once removed from the battlefield were able to give perspective to every warriors plight--an oft-times invisible hand was using them and did that serve the greater good or just line somebody's pocket.

I broke an international agreement and not during a war, at least a shooting war. Many people don't realize that the "Cold War" wasn't a real war but something that was carried on by the far left people of Europe and China against the West with the US as their leader. The Iron Curtain countries were intercepting all military messages from American military and we returned the favor to them. At first, I didn't really know about what we were doing but in 1956 when we were able to pinpoint the location of every Soviet tank surrounding Hungary I sure believed it was good.

If I was breaking the law it was at the direction of our CIC and the rest of the government. That CIC was Dwight Eisenhower. Was he a lawbreaker?