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Apr 21, 2016 01:03:40   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
gmanp135 wrote:
The sad part I think you actually believe your own bullshit,manufacturing jobs(the back bone of our nation) have continued to decline for the 8th year,the supposed job growth is mainly contributed to part time service jobs the admin.has decided to include in their statistics,wages remain stagnant and the middle classes spending power has declined 10,000 dollars in the past 8 years,with United Health care discontinuing their participation in the ACA the doomed from the start program is rapidly failing,the majority of the supposed newly insured are largely a product of medicare expansion and have nothing to do with the privately insured, most have seen their premiums rise at a rate that would not have occurred other wise,many are being forced to decide between the penalties or an insurance plan they cannot afford to use because of the astronomically high deductibles, his foreign policy is a joke ,more soldiers have died under his watch in Afghanistan than that of Bush,3 times as many,his early with- drawal from Iraq directly led to the formation and expansion of ISIS and along with the fiasco in Libya has been directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths ,we have become a joke on the world stage,our allies no longer trust or respect us and our enemies no longer fear us,his numerous scandals including fast and furious and the IRS targeting scandal have lead to his repeated lying to cover his involvement,I could continue for days stating the damage he has done to our nation but feel it would have no affect on you since you are obviously an Obama troll or the village idiot.
The sad part I think you actually believe your own... (show quote)


NAILED IT~~BRAVO!!! Well said too.......
Not to mention the largest Insurer: United Health just announced they are pulling out of the BO Health Care program by next year...Perfect timing for trashing the whole convoluted garbage when the NEW and REAL President goes into office.......
Along with canning all the EO's and starting to get a real economy moving~~~Lord can 2017 get here any quicker??????

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Apr 21, 2016 01:09:17   #
EconomistDon
 
fiatlux wrote:
You guys keep saying things without sources, what you got from some nutty far Right blog. The facts of Obama's success are there. Dispute them factually, if you can.


I did dispute them factually on page two. But nobody responded, because there is no response to actual facts. You and your Democrat pals (Cool Breeze and KHH1) are so busy slapping each other on the back, you can't see that plenty of facts have been offered. You choose to ignore the real facts when they paint your half-black hero in a bad light.

The problem is, the three of you have become Collectivists, like so many other Democrats. Collectivists are not liberal or conservative, because they don't really have individual thought processes. Collectivists just jump on the wagon of every idea laid out by their puppeteers. Collectivists just copy and paste nonsense from Huff Post, Salon, and other puppeteer media. Collectivists don't really know what the words mean and cannot defend their posts. One of the worst flaws of Collectivism in the Political Correctness that is sweeping the country. It prevents them from seeing where the real problems lie. For example, the female shooter at San Bernardino was identified as a potential terrorist well before the shootout. But political correctness got in the way of sanity, and the Obama Administration ordered the FBI and the CIA to destroy evidence, to avoid the appearance of Islamophobia. I'm sure that the families of the dead people are thrilled with Obama's political correctness on that one.

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Apr 21, 2016 01:18:35   #
fiatlux
 
EconomistDon wrote:
I did dispute them factually on page two. But nobody responded, because there is no response to actual facts. You and your Democrat pals (Cool Breeze and KHH1) are so busy slapping each other on the back, you can't see that plenty of facts have been offered. You choose to ignore the real facts when they paint your half-black hero in a bad light.

The problem is, the three of you have become Collectivists, like so many other Democrats. Collectivists are not liberal or conservative, because they don't really have individual thought processes. Collectivists just jump on the wagon of every idea laid out by their puppeteers. Collectivists just copy and paste nonsense from Huff Post, Salon, and other puppeteer media. Collectivists don't really know what the words mean and cannot defend their posts. One of the worst flaws of Collectivism in the Political Correctness that is sweeping the country. It prevents them from seeing where the real problems lie. For example, the female shooter at San Bernardino was identified as a potential terrorist well before the shootout. But political correctness got in the way of sanity, and the Obama Administration ordered the FBI and the CIA to destroy evidence, to avoid the appearance of Islamophobia. I'm sure that the families of the dead people are thrilled with Obama's political correctness on that one.
I did dispute them factually on page two. But nob... (show quote)


The one chart you gave that neither answered nor refuted anything you thought that was facts? Then you go on some rant from The Blaze or somewhere totally unsubstantiated.

The attack on PC from the Right is so they can say cruel, racist, and demeaning things to people and hope to get away with it.

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Apr 21, 2016 07:02:14   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
fiatlux wrote:
The one chart you gave that neither answered nor refuted anything you thought that was facts? Then you go on some rant from The Blaze or somewhere totally unsubstantiated.

The attack on PC from the Right is so they can say cruel, racist, and demeaning things to people and hope to get away with it.


You laid down the challenge and were answered and all you come up with is more nonsense,so typically liberal.

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Apr 21, 2016 08:57:33   #
EconomistDon
 
fiatlux wrote:
The one chart you gave that neither answered nor refuted anything you thought that was facts? Then you go on some rant from The Blaze or somewhere totally unsubstantiated.

The attack on PC from the Right is so they can say cruel, racist, and demeaning things to people and hope to get away with it.


Apparently you didn't read any of the economic statistics that I provided. They soundly refute your brag about 73 months of job gains. But I can't expect you to respond to that; you don't understand economics, or refuse to when it refutes your fiat. The chart on the national debt is a real eye-popper, isn't it?

Where are you getting this Blaze nonsense? Apparently, if you don't have a reasonable response, make up something stupid.

Political Correctness is way out of control. A couple of gay boys have no business ruining a bakery business, when they could have easily gone down the street to another bakery. America should have told them so sit sown and shut up. Nobody cares if they get married; ten percent of the population is gay or lesbian. But don't inflict it on the rest of us. And don't get me going on Islamophobia. If you don't recognize that problem because of political correctness, you are part of the problem. Many people are dying in Europe because they succumbed to political correctness. It will happen here. Oh wait, it already has, in San Barnardino, Boston marathon, and 9-11. You are a bigger racist than most on this board.

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Apr 21, 2016 09:53:27   #
Babsan
 
fiatlux wrote:
But given what he inherited, and the opposition he faced, his accomplishments border on the miraculous. We now have the longest streak of job growth in history, adding 14.4 million private sector jobs over 73 straight months, with lower unemployment than under Ronald Reagan, about half of what he inherited from Bush. Obama has reduced the deficit by over $1 trillion. Even if you look at total debt, which obviously goes up because there is an annual deficit, Obama added less debt as a percent change in public debt than either George Bush, or that paragon of fiscal conservativism, Ronald Reagan. With Obamacare he brought the number of uninsured to below 10% for the first time in our history. He saved the auto industry, which sold 17 million cars in 2015, the most in our history. The stock market has soared to record heights during Obama’s tenure, and gas prices are the cheapest in over a decade. Obama saved the housing industry from collapse, prevented the banking industry from imploding, and kept the stock market from sliding into depression-era territory. These are historic accomplishments.

In foreign policy, the Nation rightly concludes that “Barak Obama is a Foreign Policy Grandmaster.” He withdrew troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, decimated al-Qaeda, thwarted Iran’s nuclear program, removed chemical weapons from Syria, toppled Gadhafi, halved the number of Russian and American nuclear missile launchers, redirected relationships with Cuba, improved ties with India, and signed a climate deal in which China for the first time agreed to participate meaningfully. Yes the world remains a dangerous place, ISIS coming to mind, and any foreign policy is open to legitimate criticism. Any decision on the world stage will have undesirable impacts, and these are naturally the focus of critics. But even the conservative Wall Street Journal says of Obama’s foreign policy successes, “Give the president his due here.” They add that “Mr. Obama has largely succeeded in what he set out to do.” That conclusion is from a publication that is no friend to Obama.

What makes these accomplishments all the more remarkable is that Obama was working against an opposition openly committed to his failure, which is more or less unprecedented in its brazenness. Mitch McConnell said on October 23, 2010 that “my number one priority is making sure Obama’s a one-term president.” Not making America great, or preventing terrorist attacks, or helping the middle-class, or bringing home our troops - no, the Republican leader has one top goal - to deny Obama any success, at any cost to America. GOP leaders wish for Obama to fail more than they hope America will succeed. They are not alone, having plenty of rank and file support for this treasonous idea. Rush Limbaugh said simply, “I hope he fails.” Rep. Michelle Bachmann said, “We’re hoping that President Obama’s policies don’t succeed.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/liberals-losing-perspecti_b_9728614.html?
But given what he inherited, and the opposition he... (show quote)

They forgot to count in the 9-11 million unemployed that fell off the list long time ago.The only credit I will give the FRAUD is that he succeded in dividing the country and install racism,hate,and crime

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Apr 21, 2016 12:01:00   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Babsan wrote:
They forgot to count in the 9-11 million unemployed that fell off the list long time ago.The only credit I will give the FRAUD is that he succeded in dividing the country and install racism,hate,and crime


It is sad, but now, I am actually glad that OBlammer has made the animal come out of most blacks. It gives society of clear view of how the majority of the "negro" population and really into all the violence and mayhem they love to be involved in. It also leaves little doubt that each City that has a majority rule of blacks in the governing body of that City, will and has been a failure. Violence, high unemployment, riots, social and physical decay are all dominate in any City that has a all Black or near all Black leadership. They really are mere animals.

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Apr 21, 2016 12:13:58   #
Oakisland4U
 
Well the Federal Gov't telling more lies almost everything ! Unemployment stands over 23.5% not at 4.5%
Housing market was up 9.5% but the real rate was 2.4%
Food increase this year 5.3% but the gov't no increase !

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Apr 21, 2016 12:52:15   #
Abraham50
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
he never has anything substantive to contribute. He really believes he can insult his way to establishing credibility. He thinks the world works like OPP. Obama has been a great President and these dolts think they can employ their usual smear tactics to deface this man's legacy. This is the information age and as a result, Obama's success is well documented. This will be one narrative they will not be able to dictate using inflammatory degrading rhetoric.


The inflammatory degrading rhetoric will carry on , on FOX NEWS for sure !! They will keep their viewers brainwashed !!.

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Apr 21, 2016 14:01:29   #
Babsan
 
Yes and the country is on the same track thanks to Democrats and their Muslim Fraud.

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Apr 21, 2016 16:12:40   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
And this from the still intact Hymen, not once has he countered with a reasonable rebuttal, his lack of intelligence prevents him from doing so!




Hemiman wrote:
You laid down the challenge and were answered and all you come up with is more nonsense,so typically liberal.

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Apr 21, 2016 20:23:53   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
And this from the still intact Hymen, not once has he countered with a reasonable rebuttal, his lack of intelligence prevents him from doing so!


I don't bother with you nob heads,simply not worth the effort.

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Apr 21, 2016 21:30:56   #
Nickolai
 
lindajoy wrote:
NAILED IT~~BRAVO!!! Well said too.......
Not to mention the largest Insurer: United Health just announced they are pulling out of the BO Health Care program by next year...Perfect timing for trashing the whole convoluted garbage when the NEW and REAL President goes into office.......
Along with canning all the EO's and starting to get a real economy moving~~~Lord can 2017 get here any quicker??????






It won't do you any good because Hillary is going to be our first woman president and she will not overturn any Obama EO's

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Apr 21, 2016 22:04:32   #
Nickolai
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Fiat, why are you reading Huff Post? They are the second biggest trash site, behind Salon. You can't believe anything you read there. I will comment on only a few "facts"; I don't have time to waste debunking all of Huff Post claims.

Employment comparisons for three Presidents:

Reagan -- 96 month gain of 19,267 million -- 19.4%
Unemployment rate down from 9.7% to 5.3%

Clinton -- 108 month gain of 19,173 million -- 16.3%
Unemployment rate down from 9.6% to 4.0%

Obama -- 73 month gain of 8,957 million -- 7.0%
Unemployment rate down from 9.6% to 5.3%

I understand that you quoted job gains, not employment gains, and that is 14,041 million in 73 months for Obama. So why so different than employment gains, you ask? Employment represents a count of people working, no matter how many jobs they have. The jobs count includes all jobs, counting many people double or triple if they have more than one job. What this means is, people are not doing well with income from only one job and are forced to work two or several jobs to make ends meet. This has been a serious problem during the current administration, people cannot get by with one job. They lost good paying jobs and were forced to work two jobs to make the same amount of money.

On foreign policy, Obama gave nuclear weapons to Iran, he toppled several Middle East leaders, allowing ISIS to run amok. He is kicking our long-time ally in the Middle East - Israel. He is stepping on Putin's toes. And he is bringing hundreds of thousands of Muslim terrorists to this country. I am not comfortable with any of that. I'm sure that Pollyanna Fiat is comfortable with it.

Rather than quote statistics on the deficit, I will just post a chart. Enjoy
Fiat, why are you reading Huff Post? They are the... (show quote)






Why doesn't ISIS attack Israel. Libya and Syria were on the list of seven countries PNAC the Jewish Neocon think tank planned to take out in five years but thought they would need a New Pearl Harbor to get the public to hate Muslins and eager to go to war with Israel's enemies and six months after one of their members became vice President and others wee placed in the Pentagon they got their wish on 9-11-2001

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Apr 21, 2016 22:52:25   #
Ricktloml
 
fiatlux wrote:
But given what he inherited, and the opposition he faced, his accomplishments border on the miraculous. We now have the longest streak of job growth in history, adding 14.4 million private sector jobs over 73 straight months, with lower unemployment than under Ronald Reagan, about half of what he inherited from Bush. Obama has reduced the deficit by over $1 trillion. Even if you look at total debt, which obviously goes up because there is an annual deficit, Obama added less debt as a percent change in public debt than either George Bush, or that paragon of fiscal conservativism, Ronald Reagan. With Obamacare he brought the number of uninsured to below 10% for the first time in our history. He saved the auto industry, which sold 17 million cars in 2015, the most in our history. The stock market has soared to record heights during Obama’s tenure, and gas prices are the cheapest in over a decade. Obama saved the housing industry from collapse, prevented the banking industry from imploding, and kept the stock market from sliding into depression-era territory. These are historic accomplishments.

In foreign policy, the Nation rightly concludes that “Barak Obama is a Foreign Policy Grandmaster.” He withdrew troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, decimated al-Qaeda, thwarted Iran’s nuclear program, removed chemical weapons from Syria, toppled Gadhafi, halved the number of Russian and American nuclear missile launchers, redirected relationships with Cuba, improved ties with India, and signed a climate deal in which China for the first time agreed to participate meaningfully. Yes the world remains a dangerous place, ISIS coming to mind, and any foreign policy is open to legitimate criticism. Any decision on the world stage will have undesirable impacts, and these are naturally the focus of critics. But even the conservative Wall Street Journal says of Obama’s foreign policy successes, “Give the president his due here.” They add that “Mr. Obama has largely succeeded in what he set out to do.” That conclusion is from a publication that is no friend to Obama.

What makes these accomplishments all the more remarkable is that Obama was working against an opposition openly committed to his failure, which is more or less unprecedented in its brazenness. Mitch McConnell said on October 23, 2010 that “my number one priority is making sure Obama’s a one-term president.” Not making America great, or preventing terrorist attacks, or helping the middle-class, or bringing home our troops - no, the Republican leader has one top goal - to deny Obama any success, at any cost to America. GOP leaders wish for Obama to fail more than they hope America will succeed. They are not alone, having plenty of rank and file support for this treasonous idea. Rush Limbaugh said simply, “I hope he fails.” Rep. Michelle Bachmann said, “We’re hoping that President Obama’s policies don’t succeed.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/liberals-losing-perspecti_b_9728614.html?
But given what he inherited, and the opposition he... (show quote)


How Good IS Job Growth?-John Merline
"The longest streak of private sector job growth on record"
"U.S. businesses have now added 14'4 million jobs over 73 straight months" The labor force participation rate rose to 63% in March, the same level as in Nov. 2013."
All these quotes came from White House top economist Jason Furman. And they are accurate. What's missing, however is context. Because when you look at these numbers in context, any claims of robust job growth under this administration disappear.
Take that 14.4 million job growth number. That sounds impressive doesn't it? But that job growth is stretched over almost 6 full years, during which time the working age population grew by 15.8 million.
In that respect, we've lost jobs under Obama.
What's more, that 14.4 million increase in jobs is measured against when the job market hit rock bottom in Feb. 2010. If you compare the current number of jobs to the previous job peaks in Jan 1005- which is how job growth is normally measured-the number of private sector jobs has increased just 5.6 million.
What about "labor participation"? This is a measure of how many people are working or actively looking for a job. And while it's recently ticked upward, it is still way below where it was when the jobs recession ended in 2010.
Want more context? Compare these numbers to what happened during the Reagan recovery, when the job market exploded after bottoming out in Dec. 1982. While population grew 12.4 million in the following 6 years, the number of jobs shot up 18.4 million. As a result the labor participation rate-which started out lower under Reagan than Obama-zoomed upward as strong growth pulled people back into the job market.There are other bits of context Furman manages to leave out of his post.

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