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Dec 5, 2013 23:04:17   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Yes... but..... forgiveness is not ours to withhold,,, nor vengeance ours to dish out,,,,hard to stomach in some cases,, hard to know how to act,,, giving pain for pain,,,,rarely works,,, but sometimes,,, and I have been there on occasions when you catch and kill a rat basta-d who deserves it,,,,,,and it is GOOOD!!


I have mixed emotions. Forgiveness is required of us, vengeance is for God. Agreed. I can not give pain for pain, and I find that not many people can make me angry. I do have strong emotions about 911, having been in the Pentagon on that date; and no I do not wish to revisit my experience. I was in the military and would have killed, I would not have enjoyed it, but I would defend the US and those fighting alongside of me, even if it meant my death. I am a vegan, so I find it hard to even see dead meat. Do not get me wrong, I do not judge anyone else. That too is not my place.

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Dec 5, 2013 23:09:46   #
Ve'hoe
 
NO NO Ginny my TRIBE is the Cheyenne Tribe of American Indians,,, I am Christian,,,, but I am a warrior,,,
I am an American Indian,,not a muslim,,, but I understand tribal people,,,, doesn't mean I agree with them


ginnyt wrote:
So, you are a Muslim. I can only say that the Muslim faith is not from my understanding a peaceful religion. I can only tell you about my faith, what I have read and studied. Perhaps you will be the person to shed a better light on that religion.

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Dec 5, 2013 23:14:11   #
Ve'hoe
 
I once prayed to God to take this "cup" of being a warrior from me.... I got an answer in a vision in my sweat lodge,,, "NO,,,that is what I sent your soul down there to do" so I picked up my rifle and asked no more.....that is why I was sent,,, and I argued no further,,,, it wasn't always fun,,,, but I was pretty good at it,,,, this last time,,, I was told again, that "MY time is over" and I was to go home and grow old,,, so I am doing that...still the mind,,, and you will hear his voice...no matter where you are...

ginnyt wrote:
I have mixed emotions. Forgiveness is required of us, vengeance is for God. Agreed. I can not give pain for pain, and I find that not many people can make me angry. I do have strong emotions about 911, having been in the Pentagon on that date; and no I do not wish to revisit my experience. I was in the military and would have killed, I would not have enjoyed it, but I would defend the US and those fighting alongside of me, even if it meant my death. I am a vegan, so I find it hard to even see dead meat. Do not get me wrong, I do not judge anyone else. That too is not my place.
I have mixed emotions. Forgiveness is required of... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2013 23:17:49   #
Ve'hoe
 
See,,, I don't know what my mission from God was, to do in Afghanistan,,, maybe it was to kill someone,,, or maybe it was to befriend a Good Islamic man....I don't ask questions I just go and do,,,,, see that??

ginnyt wrote:
I have mixed emotions. Forgiveness is required of us, vengeance is for God. Agreed. I can not give pain for pain, and I find that not many people can make me angry. I do have strong emotions about 911, having been in the Pentagon on that date; and no I do not wish to revisit my experience. I was in the military and would have killed, I would not have enjoyed it, but I would defend the US and those fighting alongside of me, even if it meant my death. I am a vegan, so I find it hard to even see dead meat. Do not get me wrong, I do not judge anyone else. That too is not my place.
I have mixed emotions. Forgiveness is required of... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2013 23:20:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
NO NO Ginny my TRIBE is the Cheyenne Tribe of American Indians,,, I am Christian,,,, but I am a warrior,,,
I am an American Indian,,not a muslim,,, but I understand tribal people,,,, doesn't mean I agree with them


I was aware of your heritage and being a Cheyenne, from an earlier comment on a thread. It was your comment "It is bizarre,,,, I wish you could sit and discuss it with us,,Islam IS Christianity,,," that led me to believe that you had been converted. My error. I have a very good friend, living in Oklahoma that is Cheyenne. Due to our friendship, I learned much about the belief system and tribe philosophies; when introduced to his family, they gained my immediate trust and love. That was many years ago, we are still friends and I sponsored his son and daughter at Virginia Tech. He and his family were my family, they still attend our annual family reunions.

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Dec 5, 2013 23:24:58   #
larry
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I once prayed to God to take this "cup" of being a warrior from me.... I got an answer in a vision in my sweat lodge,,, "NO,,,that is what I sent your soul down there to do" so I picked up my rifle and asked no more.....that is why I was sent,,, and I argued no further,,,, it wasn't always fun,,,, but I was pretty good at it,,,, this last time,,, I was told again, that "MY time is over" and I was to go home and grow old,,, so I am doing that...still the mind,,, and you will hear his voice...no matter where you are...
I once prayed to God to take this "cup" ... (show quote)


It would be senseless for any of us to fight in a war if we could bring fire down from the sky. But God uses us to further His desires for us. We are called on to do many things in His name. It is hard to accept sometimes the jobs put before us. The Israelites had the same problem. they fought many wars for God, and were directed by God to do so. Why God did not just wipe them out himself, is part of His training to us to seek Charity and justice within our own understanding. We are required sometimes to fight evil to show our allegiance to God

I know you are going to say, "Who determines what is evil?" And I have to say the body of Christ. When we do not work in his scheme of things, then we will be evil also, and will reap the whirlwind of His justice.

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Dec 5, 2013 23:25:11   #
Ve'hoe
 
There is something endearing about tribal people, they are, well ,,,,, lovable,,,, but they can also be very backward,,,
All part of the package... my family is northern Cheyenne and we live on the Sioux Reservations,,,, but not all...
Vehoe is slang for a white man, if a full blood Cheyenne was to call a white guy the N-word,,,, that is my name... cause my great great granny married an irish guy,, see Indians have racism and predjudice too,,,,people are people you know

ginnyt wrote:
I was aware of your heritage and being a Cheyenne, from an earlier comment on a thread. It was your comment "It is bizarre,,,, I wish you could sit and discuss it with us,,Islam IS Christianity,,," that led me to believe that you had been converted. My error. I have a very good friend, living in Oklahoma that is Cheyenne. Due to our friendship, I learned much about the belief system and tribe philosophies; when introduced to his family, they gained my immediate trust and love. That was many years ago, we are still friends and I sponsored his son and daughter at Virginia Tech. He and his family were my family, they still attend our annual family reunions.
I was aware of your heritage and being a Cheyenne,... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2013 23:27:03   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I once prayed to God to take this "cup" of being a warrior from me.... I got an answer in a vision in my sweat lodge,,, "NO,,,that is what I sent your soul down there to do" so I picked up my rifle and asked no more.....that is why I was sent,,, and I argued no further,,,, it wasn't always fun,,,, but I was pretty good at it,,,, this last time,,, I was told again, that "MY time is over" and I was to go home and grow old,,, so I am doing that...still the mind,,, and you will hear his voice...no matter where you are...
I once prayed to God to take this "cup" ... (show quote)


Interesting. I have always wanted to experience a sweat lodge, I would like to understand why I am here. But, I do not hear a voice when I pray; but I do not ask for anything for myself, I pray for people who are sick, I pray for peace and love, and I give thanks. I have had a very good life, have gone through lean times because I was too proud to ask my family for help. I know, pride is not a good thing. But, I was taught to try to do it on my own and if I failed I always had family to help out. If is by the grace of God that I never had to ask. When I am still, that is every morning as I meditate, I feel peace and love; but no voice.

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Dec 5, 2013 23:29:14   #
Ve'hoe
 
The only problem I have had is not really knowing when it was his will or if it was mine,,, that worries me still,,,, I hope I have been right and good, cause some things I did,,,were not

larry wrote:
It would be senseless for any of us to fight in a war if we could bring fire down from the sky. But God uses us to further His desires for us. We are called on to do many things in His name. It is hard to accept sometimes the jobs put before us. The Israelites had the same problem. they fought many wars for God, and were directed by God to do so. Why God did not just wipe them out himself, is part of His training to us to seek Charity and justice within our own understanding. We are required sometimes to fight evil to show our allegiance to God

I know you are going to say, "Who determines what is evil?" And I have to say the body of Christ. When we do not work in his scheme of things, then we will be evil also, and will reap the whirlwind of His justice.
It would be senseless for any of us to fight in a ... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2013 23:33:30   #
Ve'hoe
 
Next time you are in Oklahoma Hit the sweat lodge!! there are lots of Gals there now!! We sing and we sweat, and we listen to the old man, he prays to GOD,,,,interestingly the first feelings I had in the lodge was SHAME,,,,shame for me and my people,,,, strange,, didn't understand it,,, but I took it,,, it lasted several lodges,,,and I apologized publicly for being ashamed of my people,,,, then love for them flooded me,,,and religiously I began to speak and hear from god,,,, it is really good,,, different than the white mans church,,, but still very similar,,,,

ginnyt wrote:
Interesting. I have always wanted to experience a sweat lodge, I would like to understand why I am here. But, I do not hear a voice when I pray; but I do not ask for anything for myself, I pray for people who are sick, I pray for peace and love, and I give thanks. I have had a very good life, have gone through lean times because I was too proud to ask my family for help. I know, pride is not a good thing. But, I was taught to try to do it on my own and if I failed I always had family to help out. If is by the grace of God that I never had to ask. When I am still, that is every morning as I meditate, I feel peace and love; but no voice.
Interesting. I have always wanted to experience a... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2013 23:35:15   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
There is something endearing about tribal people, they are, well ,,,,, lovable,,,, but they can also be very backward,,,
All part of the package... my family is northern Cheyenne and we live on the Sioux Reservations,,,, but not all...
Vehoe is slang for a white man, if a full blood Cheyenne was to call a white guy the N-word,,,, that is my name... cause my great great granny married an irish guy,, see Indians have racism and predjudice too,,,,people are people you know


I recognized the tag (being a linguist) it was not difficult to figure out. I found it somewhat amusing, until I read your comment in another thread about the origin. Yes, Indians are just humans with the flaws we all have. I am not without my prejudices; but it is not a group of individuals but the actions of a few. I do love my friends, those that live on the reservations and those that live in the "white" world. Few of them become tainted or jaded with attitudes of hatred. As a Jewish woman, I also understand tribal thoughts and ways.

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Dec 5, 2013 23:37:53   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Next time you are in Oklahoma Hit the sweat lodge!! there are lots of Gals there now!! We sing and we sweat, and we listen to the old man, he prays to GOD,,,,interestingly the first feelings I had in the lodge was SHAME,,,,shame for me and my people,,,, strange,, didn't understand it,,, but I took it,,, it lasted several lodges,,,and I apologized publicly for being ashamed of my people,,,, then love for them flooded me,,,and religiously I began to speak and hear from god,,,, it is really good,,, different than the white mans church,,, but still very similar,,,,
Next time you are in Oklahoma Hit the sweat lodge!... (show quote)


Where do I find a lodge? They are not in the phone book.
:wink: I would pack and go in a heart beat. It would be good, my mind is open, and I hunger for answers.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 5, 2013 23:38:06   #
Ve'hoe
 
Don't forget that part about "Christianity,,, only BACKWARDS" that is very important, that is where the evil comes from,, but discerning individuals can still do what is right and good,,that will be our only chance,,

ginnyt wrote:
I was aware of your heritage and being a Cheyenne, from an earlier comment on a thread. It was your comment "It is bizarre,,,, I wish you could sit and discuss it with us,,Islam IS Christianity,,," that led me to believe that you had been converted. My error. I have a very good friend, living in Oklahoma that is Cheyenne. Due to our friendship, I learned much about the belief system and tribe philosophies; when introduced to his family, they gained my immediate trust and love. That was many years ago, we are still friends and I sponsored his son and daughter at Virginia Tech. He and his family were my family, they still attend our annual family reunions.
I was aware of your heritage and being a Cheyenne,... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2013 23:38:33   #
larry
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
The only problem I have had is not really knowing when it was his will or if it was mine,,, that worries me still,,,, I hope I have been right and good, cause some things I did,,,were not


If you believe you have done what God directed you to do, you need not be worried. He knows your heart, and has opened the door for you to confess your understanding of His direction. You should read some of the writing of David (Psalms). He was in the same position as you and any warrior for God has been. God has told him the answers. Even when David did things not in accordance with God, he was told of it.

War, is one of the problems we will always have in life. We hate war, and wish we could resolve problems without it. But God has allowed war in this world for His own purpose. There are some wars that are man started, and man directed, not in concert with God, and they are disastrous. (Vietnam comes to mind. ) Maybe that was not one of the right ones.

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Dec 5, 2013 23:39:35   #
Ve'hoe
 
Ask your Cheyenne friend,,, and check out the American Indian Movement,,,, they aren't like in the movies,,,, and they have offices all around.....
ginnyt wrote:
Where do I find a lodge? They are not in the phone book.
:wink: I would pack and go in a heart beat. It would be good, my mind is open, and I hunger for answers.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

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