Transgender Law Makes North Carolina Pioneer in Bigotry (Page 17): I don't respect the Gallup Poll and neither do a lot of other people. I just pulled in my front porch and turned off...

Carol Kelly

PaulPisces wrote:

I generally do not think civil rights should be up for a majority vote. We certainly would not accept that in deciding whether or not to reinstate slavery. But since you have brought it up, you should know that the majority of Americans believe gay relationships should be legal and that marriage should be as well (as it finally is). This per the respected Gallup poll. You, my friend, are now in the minority on this topic, and the majority, per your wish, has ruled against you.

I don't respect the Gallup Poll and neither do a lot of other people. I just pulled in my front porch and turned off my porch light. All you weirdos have fun being PC.

son of witless

PaulPisces wrote:

I generally do not think civil rights should be up for a majority vote. We certainly would not accept that in deciding whether or not to reinstate slavery. But since you have brought it up, you should know that the majority of Americans believe gay relationships should be legal and that marriage should be as well (as it finally is). This per the respected Gallup poll. You, my friend, are now in the minority on this topic, and the majority, per your wish, has ruled against you.

son of witless

PaulPisces wrote:

I generally do not think civil rights should be up for a majority vote. We certainly would not accept that in deciding whether or not to reinstate slavery. But since you have brought it up, you should know that the majority of Americans believe gay relationships should be legal and that marriage should be as well (as it finally is). This per the respected Gallup poll. You, my friend, are now in the minority on this topic, and the majority, per your wish, has ruled against you.

Sorry about the mispost.

" my friend, are now in the minority on this topic, "

I find that to be a very strange comment, because nearly everywhere, even in looney toon California the gay agenda was not brought about by popular vote. It was brought about by activist judges.

Proposition 8 was the will of the people, at least the will of the voter. It was over turned by the court.

So all of this popular support of which you speak, cannot be so popular or it would not need un elected courts to shove it down the populace's throats.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

PaulPisces wrote:

Please find the exact wording of the Houston ordinance at the link below. The "on that day" is YOUR interpretation. There is nothing in the ordinance to indicate it is up to the whim of any particular individual on a variety of days.
Please stop spreading misunderstanding and half-truths.

http://archive.org/stream/equal_rights_ordinance/equal_rights_ordinance_djvu.txt

OK Paul. I read the ordinance and looked up the definition from two LGBTQ sources, and printed the definitions below. None of the definitions indicate that any surgery or hormone treatment is required, just that you believe that you are the opposite sex from what your DNA says (worded as assigned, as in random) at birth. The second one actually states that your gender identity is developed by your upbringing, not your DNA and that it changes over time in many people. That sounds closer to my interpretation than yours. where does your definition differ from the LGBTQ activist groups whose quotes I posted? They must be activists because they are soliciting money to spread their beliefs.

One's innermost concept of self as male, female, a blend of both or neither how individuals perceive themselves and what they call themselves. One's gender identity can be the same or different from their sex assigned at birth.
Gender expression

External appearance of one's gender identity, usually expressed through behavior, clothing, haircut or voice, and which may or may not conform to socially defined behaviors and characteristics typically associated with being either masculine or feminine.
Transgender

An umbrella term for people whose gender identity and/or expression is different from cultural expectations based on the sex they were assigned at birth. Being transgender does not imply any specific sexual orientation. Therefore, transgender people may identify as straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, etc.

Gender identity

One's innermost concept of self as male, female, a blend of both or neither how individuals perceive themselves and what they call themselves. One's gender identity can be the same or different from their sex assigned at birth.

One's innermost concept of self as male, female, a blend of both or neither how individuals perceive themselves and what they call themselves. One's gender identity can be the same or different from their sex assigned at birth.
Gender expression

External appearance of one's gender identity, usually expressed through behavior, clothing, haircut or voice, and which may or may not conform to socially defined behaviors and characteristics typically associated with being either masculine or feminine.
Transgender

An umbrella term for people whose gender identity and/or expression is different from cultural expectations based on the sex they were assigned at birth. Being transgender does not imply any specific sexual orientation. Therefore, transgender people may identify as straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, etc.

Gender identity

One's innermost concept of self as male, female, a blend of both or neither how individuals perceive themselves and what they call themselves. One's gender identity can be the same or different from their sex assigned at birth.

northernlights

working class stiff wrote:

We are spending so much time on this because the right is trying to stop the march of progress toward equality. The game is over for homophobes and those who think that gender is a cut and dried issue. As Paul pointed out, the majority of folks now know the issue is complicated and are willing to come to grips with issues of discrimination against those who do not fit into the neat right wing stereotypes of what is male or female.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

northernlights

Carol Kelly wrote:

With the entire country n a turmoil because of illegals and Muslims and terrorists and a HUGEQuestion of WHAT our next President will be, this gender thing seems out of whack. How many citizens in this country and how many trans-sexuals Why should we spend so much time on this ?
It's disgusting and animal-like.

This never would have been an issue if it were not for the conservative right MAKING an issue out of it so you can thank them for wasting time, tax payer money and hardships they are causing. :thumbup: :evil:

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

northernlights wrote:

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

In mammals sex is determined by your chromosomes, and except for a few genetic problems which usually end up as sterile people, mostly men. You can go down to the reptile and amphibian and fish level and find that sex is not determined by chromosomes and DNA but by epigenetic influences. Warmth of incubating eggs in turtles and some snakes PH of the water where tadpoles and pollywogs are developing for frogs and toads, sex changing species in fish is very common, requirements for more of one or the other sex will result in sex changes in most live bearing fish for instance. In the world of "A word shall mean what I wish it to mean, nothing more, nothing less" redefining words, Alice in Wonderland style have led to confusion in communications. This is one of the goals of Communism toward taking over the Western world without firing a shot. The same sex concepts and related things were part of Hitler's early plan to control the thought patterns of people, as they were in the Soviet Union. Why do you think that 1984 and Brave New World were written?

northernlights

no propaganda please wrote:

In mammals sex is determined by your chromosomes, ... (show quote)

Let me get this straight, people being gay is a political manipulation to spread communism? :shock: Wow and I thought I heard everything, every slant... you won. No offense but what year were you born?

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

northernlights wrote:

Let me get this straight, people being gay is a political manipulation to spread communism? :shock: Wow and I thought I heard everything, every slant... you won. No offense but what year were you born?

Reread what I said I didn't say that being homosexual was a political manipulation. I was born in 1944.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

northernlights wrote:

Let me get this straight, people being gay is a political manipulation to spread communism? :shock: Wow and I thought I heard everything, every slant... you won. No offense but what year were you born?

Well absolutely, norther. You didn't know that??

northernlights

nwtk2007 wrote:

Well absolutely, norther. You didn't know that??

Did I miss something? Apparently I missed something?

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

northernlights wrote:

Officials in Charlotte, N.C., spent more than a ye... (show quote)

The article at the below link does a good (and humorous) job of explaining why this NC bill is idiotic. For those of you unwilling to read the entire article, I've added a screen shot of the questions I find most important, with their answers.

http://chapelboro.com/featured/facts-and-myths-that-mccrory-forgot-about-house-bill-2

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

northernlights wrote:

Did I miss something? Apparently I missed something?

You sure did! It's the one thing not blamed on Obama I guess.

northernlights

no propaganda please wrote:

Reread what I said I didn't say that being homosexual was a political manipulation. I was born in 1944.

Ok NPP I apologize if I misunderstood. Your quote

This is one of the goals of Communism toward taking over the Western world without firing a shot.

The same sex concepts and related things were part of Hitler's early plan to control the thought patterns of people, as they were in the Soviet Union.

Please explain where I misunderstood.

Mariana Loc: USA

North Carolina has been bigoted since before it was admitted to the Union.