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Mar 25, 2016 00:08:11   #
Steve700
 
no propaganda please wrote:
If he had actually studied Marx he would understand the evil that lies behind communism/Socialism. By not studying the philosophy he is more vulnerable to the agenda and it is more effective.

ldsuttonjr wrote:
Steve700: dummy is a useful dummy!....He would make Marx and Lenin proud!

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Mar 25, 2016 00:43:51   #
Mariana Loc: USA
 
You do know that Joe McCarthy was an alcoholic as well as a chronic liar, don't you? He held up a list he said contained the names of communists in the government, but he never released that document. He was no hero. Your ridiculous claim that Democrats are communists is just as true as a claim that others made that Republicans are 75% Fascists and 25% Nazis.

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Mar 25, 2016 11:07:13   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Mariana wrote:
You do know that Joe McCarthy was an alcoholic as well as a chronic liar, don't you? He held up a list he said contained the names of communists in the government, but he never released that document. He was no hero. Your ridiculous claim that Democrats are communists is just as true as a claim that others made that Republicans are 75% Fascists and 25% Nazis.


mariana: Truth has no agenda....Joe McCarthy was thrown under the bus by the democratic party! Over 361 communist had infiltrated the FDR administration! Worse yet Truman knew this but kept it quite to save his party! This all came out with the communist release of the Venona files!

As a result of the material that has emerged from Russian archives and the release of the Venona files, we now know a great deal about the extent of Soviet espionage from the 1930s through the 1940s. There is no longer any question about the fact that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were Soviet spies (although Ethel played a very minor role). Julius is identifiable in Venona under the code-name Liberal. By the way, the use of code names shows that the KGB had a macabre sense of humor. The code name for their bitter enemies, the Trotskyists, was Polecats, Zionists were Rats, San Francisco was Babylon and Washington DC was Carthage.
There is no doubt that Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy and continued to provide information through the Yalta Conference which he attended as an advisor to FDR. The Soviets thoroughly infiltrated the Manhattan Project and were able to build an atomic bomb several years before they otherwise would have because of such spies as Klaus Fuchs, a German-born British scientist, convicted of espionage in the late 1940s and Theodore Hall, a young American physicist who died in Britain in 1999, who had never been publicly named as a spy until the Venona material was released. Hall had graduated from Harvard at 19 and was immediately recruited and sent to Los Alamos. A dedicated communist, he got in contact with the KGB after learning what he was working on. Although the FBI questioned him after Venona decryptions revealed his treachery, there was no legally admissible evidence against him (the government had made a decision not to use Venona material n court; in fact, it was doubtful that it would be legally admissible). Since he denied everything and there were no cooperating witnesses, it was not possible to prosecute him. At least two other important atomic spies turned over top secret information to the KGB but American counter-intelligence was never able to link the cover names in the messages — Quantum and Fogel — to real people.
All told, some 350 Americans turn out to have worked for Soviet intelligence during World War II — a time when we were allies. American counter-intelligence eventually identified more than 125 of these agents — but were never able to nail down who the other 200 plus were. Virtually every one of the people accused of being a Soviet agent by Elizabeth Bentley and Whittaker Chambers — both reviled and denounced for making false charges not only by political partisans in the 1940s but by historians ever since — turns out to have been a Soviet spy.
No Federal agency was immune to Soviet penetration. There were at least 16 Soviet agents in the OSS, predecessor to the CIA, including Duncan Lee, chief counsel to General William Donovan. The Office of war Information, the Board of Economic Warfare, United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration, War Production Board, War Department, Signal Corps, Censorship office, the Justice Department were all penetrated. In the State Department Alger Hiss was not the only Soviet spy. Larry Duggan, in charge of Latin American affairs, was an agent. Lauchlin Currie, one of six presidential assistants, provided information. The most highly placed spy was Harry Dexter White, the number two man the Treasury Department and one of the architects of the post-war international financial order — he designed the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the Bretton Woods agreement. The KGB so valued White’s information — including meetings at the founding UN conference where he revealed the American negotiating strategy — that when he hinted at leaving government service because of financial pressures, the KGB offered to pay his daughter’s college tuition.
There were even Soviet sources with access to the Venona project. One of the Russian-language specialists working on the project was William Weisband, who was exposed by a decrypted message as a long-time KGB asset. In 1950 the new liaison from British intelligence to Venona was Kim Philby, one of the most prominent Soviet moles within the British intelligence service. The Soviets thus learned about Venona very early, tracked its progress and were able to warn vulnerable agents. By the time American counter- intelligence began to follow and surveil those who had served as Soviet spies, they had ceased their activities and disposed of incriminating evidence. About all the FBI was able to do was, through interrogation, let these former spies know they were under suspicion, force them out of government service, and by leaking their names to congressional committees, ensure that they were called to testify before such bodies as the House Committee on Un-American Activities, where most took the Fifth Amendment, refusing to answer questions based n the possibility of self-incrimination. That tactic provided legal protection but also branded them in the public eye as security risks.
And that brings us back to Senator McCarthy. Does Venona and everything that has come out of Russian archives in the past decade demonstrate that he was correct in arguing that communist conspirators had infiltrated the American government and that Democratic administrations had not only turned a blind eye to treasonous activity but actively aided and abetted it? Does he deserve credit for exposing Communist spies who had betrayed their nation to serve a foreign power?
There are several things about which Senator McCarthy was right — although he was by no means the first or only person to note them. There was a very significant issue of national security presented by communist spying and subversion. No government can turn a blind eye to spying as extensive as that directed against the United States by the Soviet Union. Secondly, the American Communist Party was serving as an agent of a foreign power. Venona makes crystal clear that the leadership of the CPUSA was not only aware of Soviet intelligence networks in the government, but also actively assisted the KGB in recruiting American communists to spy. The CPUSA even had several liaisons who worked with KGB spymasters. The KGB code word for members of the CPUSA was “Fellow Countrymen.” Nearly every American who worked for the KGB or GRU was a member of the CPUSA. That does not mean, of course, that all communists were Soviet spies, but most assuredly, most spies were communists.
Thirdly, McCarthy was correct that the Roosevelt and Truman administrations had been slow to respond to the issue of Soviet espionage. Whittaker Chambers had first gone to Adolph Berle with information about Alger Hiss, Harry White, Lauchlin Currie and others right after the Nazi-Soviet Pact and nothing had been done. It was not just that many liberals refused to believe that people like Hiss could not be spies. Even J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI did not make the Soviet connection!

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Mar 25, 2016 16:10:16   #
Steve700
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
mariana: Truth has no agenda....Joe McCarthy was thrown under the bus by the democratic party! Over 361 communist had infiltrated the FDR administration! Worse yet Truman knew this but kept it quite to save his party! This all came out with the communist release of the Venona files!

As a result of the material that has emerged from Russian archives and the release of the Venona files, we now know a great deal about the extent of Soviet espionage from the 1930s through the 1940s. There is no longer any question about the fact that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were Soviet spies (although Ethel played a very minor role). Julius is identifiable in Venona under the code-name Liberal. By the way, the use of code names shows that the KGB had a macabre sense of humor. The code name for their bitter enemies, the Trotskyists, was Polecats, Zionists were Rats, San Francisco was Babylon and Washington DC was Carthage.
There is no doubt that Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy and continued to provide information through the Yalta Conference which he attended as an advisor to FDR. The Soviets thoroughly infiltrated the Manhattan Project and were able to build an atomic bomb several years before they otherwise would have because of such spies as Klaus Fuchs, a German-born British scientist, convicted of espionage in the late 1940s and Theodore Hall, a young American physicist who died in Britain in 1999, who had never been publicly named as a spy until the Venona material was released. Hall had graduated from Harvard at 19 and was immediately recruited and sent to Los Alamos. A dedicated communist, he got in contact with the KGB after learning what he was working on. Although the FBI questioned him after Venona decryptions revealed his treachery, there was no legally admissible evidence against him (the government had made a decision not to use Venona material n court; in fact, it was doubtful that it would be legally admissible). Since he denied everything and there were no cooperating witnesses, it was not possible to prosecute him. At least two other important atomic spies turned over top secret information to the KGB but American counter-intelligence was never able to link the cover names in the messages — Quantum and Fogel — to real people.
All told, some 350 Americans turn out to have worked for Soviet intelligence during World War II — a time when we were allies. American counter-intelligence eventually identified more than 125 of these agents — but were never able to nail down who the other 200 plus were. Virtually every one of the people accused of being a Soviet agent by Elizabeth Bentley and Whittaker Chambers — both reviled and denounced for making false charges not only by political partisans in the 1940s but by historians ever since — turns out to have been a Soviet spy.
No Federal agency was immune to Soviet penetration. There were at least 16 Soviet agents in the OSS, predecessor to the CIA, including Duncan Lee, chief counsel to General William Donovan. The Office of war Information, the Board of Economic Warfare, United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration, War Production Board, War Department, Signal Corps, Censorship office, the Justice Department were all penetrated. In the State Department Alger Hiss was not the only Soviet spy. Larry Duggan, in charge of Latin American affairs, was an agent. Lauchlin Currie, one of six presidential assistants, provided information. The most highly placed spy was Harry Dexter White, the number two man the Treasury Department and one of the architects of the post-war international financial order — he designed the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the Bretton Woods agreement. The KGB so valued White’s information — including meetings at the founding UN conference where he revealed the American negotiating strategy — that when he hinted at leaving government service because of financial pressures, the KGB offered to pay his daughter’s college tuition.
There were even Soviet sources with access to the Venona project. One of the Russian-language specialists working on the project was William Weisband, who was exposed by a decrypted message as a long-time KGB asset. In 1950 the new liaison from British intelligence to Venona was Kim Philby, one of the most prominent Soviet moles within the British intelligence service. The Soviets thus learned about Venona very early, tracked its progress and were able to warn vulnerable agents. By the time American counter- intelligence began to follow and surveil those who had served as Soviet spies, they had ceased their activities and disposed of incriminating evidence. About all the FBI was able to do was, through interrogation, let these former spies know they were under suspicion, force them out of government service, and by leaking their names to congressional committees, ensure that they were called to testify before such bodies as the House Committee on Un-American Activities, where most took the Fifth Amendment, refusing to answer questions based n the possibility of self-incrimination. That tactic provided legal protection but also branded them in the public eye as security risks.
And that brings us back to Senator McCarthy. Does Venona and everything that has come out of Russian archives in the past decade demonstrate that he was correct in arguing that communist conspirators had infiltrated the American government and that Democratic administrations had not only turned a blind eye to treasonous activity but actively aided and abetted it? Does he deserve credit for exposing Communist spies who had betrayed their nation to serve a foreign power?
There are several things about which Senator McCarthy was right — although he was by no means the first or only person to note them. There was a very significant issue of national security presented by communist spying and subversion. No government can turn a blind eye to spying as extensive as that directed against the United States by the Soviet Union. Secondly, the American Communist Party was serving as an agent of a foreign power. Venona makes crystal clear that the leadership of the CPUSA was not only aware of Soviet intelligence networks in the government, but also actively assisted the KGB in recruiting American communists to spy. The CPUSA even had several liaisons who worked with KGB spymasters. The KGB code word for members of the CPUSA was “Fellow Countrymen.” Nearly every American who worked for the KGB or GRU was a member of the CPUSA. That does not mean, of course, that all communists were Soviet spies, but most assuredly, most spies were communists.
Thirdly, McCarthy was correct that the Roosevelt and Truman administrations had been slow to respond to the issue of Soviet espionage. Whittaker Chambers had first gone to Adolph Berle with information about Alger Hiss, Harry White, Lauchlin Currie and others right after the Nazi-Soviet Pact and nothing had been done. It was not just that many liberals refused to believe that people like Hiss could not be spies. Even J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI did not make the Soviet connection.
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Thanks for educating the morons of the history distorting/changing Left

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Mar 25, 2016 17:13:29   #
Mariana Loc: USA
 
"There is no doubt" this and that but no proof that there is no doubt except in your own little minds. There is no doubt that Chambers was exposed and vilified for the traitor he was Joe McCarthy was exposed as an alcoholic and a liar. He held up a paper he said contained the names of government officials who were members of the Communist party but never made it public because it couldn't be verified (if it existed at all). Respected attorney Joseph Welch publicly and famously exposed McCarthy's lies and said to McCarthy,"Have you no shame, sir, have you no shame?" That and the commentary by legendary TV commentator Edward R. Murrow put an end to Welch's hate campaign.

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Mar 25, 2016 17:31:13   #
Steve700
 
Mariana wrote:
"There is no doubt" this and that but no proof that there is no doubt except in your own little minds. There is no doubt that Chambers was exposed and vilified for the traitor he was Joe McCarthy was exposed as an alcoholic and a liar. He held up a paper he said contained the names of government officials who were members of the Communist party but never made it public because it couldn't be verified (if it existed at all). Respected attorney Joseph Welch publicly and famously exposed McCarthy's lies and said to McCarthy,"Have you no shame, sir, have you no shame?" That and the commentary by legendary TV commentator Edward R. Murrow put an end to Welch's hate campaign.
"There is no doubt" this and that but no... (show quote)
Like you & people today, those people like most of todays left, have had their minds molded by Marxism, & yet don't recognize it as such when they see it. Can you say "Useful Idiot"?

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Mar 25, 2016 18:13:40   #
Mariana Loc: USA
 
Yes I could say you are an idiot but that's not particularly useful. I won't call you an idiot because name-calling is for elementary school kids.
You are stuck in a previous century as you still revere McCarthy who was not thrown under the bus but in an alcoholic stupor threw himself under it.
I believe I told you that assuming that Democrats' goals include a Communist takeover is so ridiculous that I cannot be bothered to discuss it with you appear to have no understanding of the present. You don't seem to understand today at all.
Do contact me for a discussion when you arrive in the 21st century.

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Mar 25, 2016 23:08:54   #
Steve700
 
Mariana wrote:
Yes I could say you are an idiot but that's not particularly useful. I won't call you an idiot because name-calling is for elementary school kids.
You are stuck in a previous century as you still revere McCarthy who was not thrown under the bus but in an alcoholic stupor threw himself under it.
I believe I told you that assuming that Democrats' goals include a Communist takeover is so ridiculous that I cannot be bothered to discuss it with you appear to have no understanding of the present. You don't seem to understand today at all.
Do contact me for a discussion when you arrive in the 21st century.
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It has to be a communist type take over, because New World order which we are being acclimated to is going to be a total control communist type totalitarian world government.

How can you possibly say that assuming that the Democrats goals include a communist type takeover of America is ridiculous ??????? I guess you didn't read those declared 45 goals for a communist takeover of the US. Fulfilling those 45 goals is precisely what the Democrats have been doing for the last 50 years. It's like totally undeniable & so is the Alinsky rules for radicals that is all about how to overthrow America through deceit. This shit is pure communist tactics, and this guy is the father of community organizing which was Obama's job & is now not only the playbook of the community organizers but of the Obama administration as well.



Don't you know that communism is all about control.
Don't you know that communism is all about control...

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Mar 25, 2016 23:32:29   #
Mariana Loc: USA
 
You are relying on a statement made by a man who's been dead almost 50 years. Time doesn't stand still and conditions also change with the passing of time. What Alinsky stated half a century ago is outdated. Democrats who are under 50 probably couldn't identify him if you asked "Who is Alinsky?"
Canada and England have provided health care to their residents for decades. The Brits and Canadians are not controlled by their governments.
Who should select books children read in schools? Not the elected Boards of Education guided by educators? And please remember that Benjamin Franklin started free libraries. A free public education instituted early in this country's history set us apart from other nations. You shouldn't be afraid of an educated population, it is what made the country strong.
Religious freedom is one of the basic tenets of the USA. Whose religion would you choose to be taught in public schools that are financed by taxpayers of all religions and some with no religion? Religion should be taught in the church, mosque or synagogue and in the home.

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Mar 26, 2016 01:05:27   #
Steve700
 
Mariana wrote:
You are relying on a statement made by a man who's been dead almost 50 years. Time doesn't stand still and conditions also change with the passing of time. What Alinsky stated half a century ago is outdated. Democrats who are under 50 probably couldn't identify him if you asked "Who is Alinsky?"
Canada and England have provided health care to their residents for decades. The Brits and Canadians are not controlled by their governments.
Who should select books children read in schools? Not the elected Boards of Education guided by educators? And please remember that Benjamin Franklin started free libraries. A free public education instituted early in this country's history set us apart from other nations. You shouldn't be afraid of an educated population, it is what made the country strong.
Religious freedom is one of the basic tenets of the USA. Whose religion would you choose to be taught in public schools that are financed by taxpayers of all religions and some with no religion? Religion should be taught in the church, mosque or synagogue and in the home.
You are relying on a statement made by a man who's... (show quote)
What does Alinsky having died over 50 years ago have to do with anything. Marx died twice that long ago. Of coarse you stupid liberals don't know shit about Alinsky. It takes a conservative to tell you what the hell you're doing, because conservatives understand how the world works and liberals don't. They been dumbed down & add all the common sense "educated"out of them. Today's educational system has been completely taken over by the leftist. You could never get hired in the educational system if you're espousing conservative values. Today's universities are nothing more than indoctrination seminaries to turn out good little leftists: that is Useful Idiots who think their leftist global utopian paradise is going to make their life better. But the real hard-core leftists understand that it's only all about power for those in control & equality means equally poor. If you don't think the universities are totally leftist, why is it that a conservative speaker is shouted down and taking their life in their hands to try to give a talk at any other than a Christian university. These students have been even attacking these professors & demanding their resignation & attacking these professors that have been teaching them all this Marxist bull shit. They teach these arrogant little Marxist ass holes to have lots of unarmed self-esteem, but no self-control, which along with self-reliance, personal accountability and discipline is what should produce self-esteem. You should be thanking me for what you are responding to not making these stupid ass Marxist propaganda inspired comments.

Speaking of religious freedom, Islam is more of a subversive Supremacist political ideology than a religion and should be reclassified as such. And your Marxists healthcare is not preventative healthcare like American healthcare, It's long awaited rationed healthcare where you going for treatment after you get sick. And they'll pull your teeth rather than give you crowns because it's cheaper & quicker. If you're 70 years old and need a double bypass, they'll figure you have no productive years left anyway so they'll just deny you the operation. You might just want to consider moving to Cuba to take advantage of the freebies over there. Michael Moore recommends it, so bad can it be?

This is what your globalist leftist utopian apartment is going to look like.
This is what your globalist leftist utopian apartm...

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Mar 26, 2016 01:46:09   #
Nickolai
 
migeli wrote:
So why is it that oligarchy ended the rule of the royalty with beheadings and use of the guillitine in Russia and France. What is happening here is misuse and abuse of capitalism and democracy by the wealthy scum who have used these great systems to enrich themselves and their heirs at an unbelievable pace these past two decades. The 1 % owns almost everything by reducing ,or not paying any taxes at all, taking advantage of globilization , loopholes , bribery , through the lobbyists of big oil, big pharma and big banks. This may be fine for many of you here who have inheretences,and stocks and bonds and could care less about the unemployed, ,the infrustructure, and mass incasrceration for petty drug offences while not one party responsible for recent events in banking, pollution, and keeping profits made from the American public in foreign accounts has gone to prison. But as time goes on oligarchies become monarchies, and more and more money trickles up,so that sooner or later the King may be looking at your little piece of the wealth to keep a larger population of his wealthy constituents happy. This may not happen for many more years while you are enjoying your lofty position, but there will come a day when all the shutouts will practice their second amendment rights and drag your children,grandchildren and great grand children to the chopping blocks at gunpoint, and decide it's time to redistribute a little of this wealth. You can see signs of this discontent now among those backing Sanders and Trump ,who although on different sides of the aisle have become very angry because nothing is trickling down anymore. They may have different stances on abortion, religion, bigotry , whatever, but deep down the rage is because of rotten thieving , do -nothing government that only represents special interests, which includes themselves. If there was not so much thievery and war-mongering, and meddling in the affairs of other countries with our armed services spread throrout the world in places they are not even needed, we could afford healthcare for all, free college for all, new bridges and water systems . This is all bullshit spread by a small bunch who are pocketing all the middleclasses money,and loopholing and hiding their own. We don't need to fight each other on economic issues. The game is to keep us fighting on religious , racial, gay rights and abortion issues while the whores in government rob us blind, and don't even show up for work. I don't care if you have an abortion or not. I don't care what church you go to or which God you adore or if you want to kill yourself with alchohol, tobacco,narcotics or from the side effects of antacids, or the processed foods they are poisoning you with so that you have two aisles of antacidss in every drugstore to counteract the poisons Montsanto, or the Chinese put in your food with so-called natural flavors,since they are putting our small farmers out of business. I just want a paycheck with a tax taken out that is going to fix the bridge I drive over eveyday,not into the pocket of some billlionaire congressmans son so it doesn't fall on the poor little bastards yacht. You are worried about communists? Stop trading with China, Vietnam, next even Cuba. That's not the threat. You are the threat , because you spread this crap because you get a paycheck from oligarchs, you are an oligarch, or you profit from their evils.. I hpoe you are around when the pepole smarten up and come for your head , not that of your children or grandchildren, because it will not occur to them that everyone is not an inhereter of wealth a creative geneous, or have mental or physical disabilities. No , they will be be brought up by you who will teach them that if you are poor it is because you want to be, or you are a freeloader or a communist
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Mar 26, 2016 02:19:28   #
Nickolai
 
Steve700 wrote:
It has to be a communist type take over, because New World order which we are being acclimated to is going to be a total control communist type totalitarian world government.

How can you possibly say that assuming that the Democrats goals include a communist type takeover of America is ridiculous ??????? I guess you didn't read those declared 45 goals for a communist takeover of the US. Fulfilling those 45 goals is precisely what the Democrats have been doing for the last 50 years. It's like totally undeniable & so is the Alinsky rules for radicals that is all about how to overthrow America through deceit. This shit is pure communist tactics, and this guy is the father of community organizing which was Obama's job & is now not only the playbook of the community organizers but of the Obama administration as well.
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Your 45 points are a crock of shit Need I waste time explaining it. No I try not to waste time in discussions with numbskulls

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Mar 26, 2016 02:33:05   #
Nickolai
 
Steve700 wrote:
What does Alinsky having died over 50 years ago have to do with anything. Marx died twice that long ago. Of coarse you stupid liberals don't know shit about Alinsky. It takes a conservative to tell you what the hell you're doing, because conservatives understand how the world works and liberals don't. They been dumbed down & add all the common sense "educated"out of them. Today's educational system has been completely taken over by the leftist. You could never get hired in the educational system if you're espousing conservative values. Today's universities are nothing more than indoctrination seminaries to turn out good little leftists: that is Useful Idiots who think their leftist global utopian paradise is going to make their life better. But the real hard-core leftists understand that it's only all about power for those in control & equality means equally poor. If you don't think the universities are totally leftist, why is it that a conservative speaker is shouted down and taking their life in their hands to try to give a talk at any other than a Christian university. These students have been even attacking these professors & demanding their resignation & attacking these professors that have been teaching them all this Marxist bull shit. They teach these arrogant little Marxist ass holes to have lots of unarmed self-esteem, but no self-control, which along with self-reliance, personal accountability and discipline is what should produce self-esteem. You should be thanking me for what you are responding to not making these stupid ass Marxist propaganda inspired comments.

Speaking of religious freedom, Islam is more of a subversive Supremacist political ideology than a religion and should be reclassified as such. And your Marxists healthcare is not preventative healthcare like American healthcare, It's long awaited rationed healthcare where you going for treatment after you get sick. And they'll pull your teeth rather than give you crowns because it's cheaper & quicker. If you're 70 years old and need a double bypass, they'll figure you have no productive years left anyway so they'll just deny you the operation. You might just want to consider moving to Cuba to take advantage of the freebies over there. Michael Moore recommends it, so bad can it be?
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Q: What is conservatism?
A: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.
Q: What is wrong with conservatism?
A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.

These ideas are not new. In fact they were common sense until recently. Nowadays, though, most of the people who call themselves "conservatives" have little notion of what conservatism even is. They have been deceived by one of the great public relations campaigns of human history. Only by analyzing this deception will it become possible to revive democracy in the United States.


From the pharaohs of ancient Egypt to the self-regarding thugs of ancient Rome to the glorified warlords of medieval and absolutist Europe, in nearly every urbanized society throughout human history, there have been people who have tried to constitute themselves as an aristocracy. These people and their allies are the conservatives.
The tactics of conservatism vary widely by place and time. But the most central feature of conservatism is deference: a psychologically internalized attitude on the part of the common people that the aristocracy are better people than they are. Modern-day liberals often theorize that conservatives use "social issues" as a way to mask economic objectives, but this is almost backward: the true goal of conservatism is to establish an aristocracy, which is a social and psychological condition of inequality. Economic inequality and regressive taxation, while certainly welcomed by the aristocracy, are best understood as a means to their actual goal, which is simply to be aristocrats. More generally, it is crucial to conservatism that the people must literally love the order that dominates them. Of course this notion sounds bizarre to modern ears, but it is perfectly overt in the writings of leading conservative theorists such as Burke. Democracy, for them, is not about the mechanisms of voting and office-holding. In fact conservatives hold a wide variety of opinions about such secondary formal matters. For conservatives, rather, democracy is a psychological condition. People who believe that the aristocracy rightfully dominates society because of its intrinsic superiority are conservatives; democrats, by contrast, believe that they are of equal social worth. Conservatism is the antithesis of democracy. This has been true for thousands of years.

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Mar 26, 2016 05:23:17   #
Steve700
 
Nickolai wrote:
Your 45 points are a crock of shit Need I waste time explaining it. No I try not to waste time in discussions with numbskulls
You need to move out of opposite land and are obviously a total idiot spewing out all that Marxist propaganda. History proves that the left is the ideology of total control. No other ideology as lifted so many out of poverty and squalor as conservative capitalism. It is so totally obvious to anyone with a brain in their head that those 45 declared goals for a communist takeover which is in the Congressional record, is exactly what you anti-American liberals/leftists ass holes have been doing for the last 50 years or more. Get the hell out of opposite land. The Democratic Party has pretty much been taken over by extreme leftist/communists who think this country should be transformed rather than restored. It's only because of our increasing degeneracy that all this Marxist bull shit has been able to become popular culture. Every degenerate is a Democrat. We don't claim to be perfect but we are the party of truth, righteousness, individual freedom, small government & fiscal responsibility.

You are the party of slavery, the KKK, Alinsky, and Marx whose ideology is responsible for 110 million deaths in the 20th century. Keep in mind both Martin Luther King & Lincoln were registered Republicans. You are of the party of SCUM who tries to grab the moral high ground by keeping the blacks on the plantation with welfare instead of teaching and preaching personal responsibility, personal accountability, morals ethics values discipline and honesty. You want to help the poor? That's the recipe for success but you ass holes teach victimhood, and induce anger to get the Democratic vote with your fraudulent claims of caring and a desire to help them. It's all about getting the vote, the devision and tearing the country apart to induce revolution. Democrats are the party of malcontents, losers, cry babies, criminals, and anarchists. You're a loser and that's why you hate America and capitalism because there are winners and losers; but your being a loser is a spiritual problem and is not going to be corrected with your leftist policies which will only make things worse.

You people are dead bone sick to the core
You people are dead bone sick to the core...

Do you think there is any chance that this self mutilating jerk could be a conservative? Is it not obvious that he is of the left ??????
Do you think there is any chance that this self mu...

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Mar 26, 2016 06:15:16   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Steve700: dummy is a useful dummy!....He would make Marx and Lenin proud!


Go fly into a mountain dipshit....boom.

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