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Dec 4, 2013 11:11:20   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ Loc: Las Vegas, Nv. 89123
 
Tasine wrote:
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One thing I know for a fact. I know it a hell of a lot better than you or your friends.


What is the thing you know better, to follow the right-wing fanatics who converted the U.S.A. into a 3er world country, destroyed our economy and everything now is made in CHINA.

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Dec 4, 2013 11:25:54   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
TASINI: you are the only one who understand our U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence that said "all men are created equals" and the founder fathers own slaves and send the natives americans to the reservations.


Because you appear to have not read either document, I have attached them so you can take your time and read them again. Once you do, perhaps you can come back and discuss your thoughts from a better educated point of view.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

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Dec 4, 2013 11:43:22   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ Loc: Las Vegas, Nv. 89123
 
Tasine wrote:
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Just a simple question: Did you ever graduate First grade?


No I never went to school, but you are very smart because you came in the "MAYFLOWER" and went to the KKK school, and are proud of that.

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Dec 4, 2013 11:49:06   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ Loc: Las Vegas, Nv. 89123
 
Tasine wrote:
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Just a simple question: Did you ever graduate First grade?


No I never went to school, but you are lucky because you came here in the "MAYFLOWER" and went to the KKK school available for white only.

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Dec 4, 2013 12:16:49   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
No I never went to school, but you are very smart because you came in the "MAYFLOWER" and went to the KKK school, and are proud of that.


My father's family did not arrive on the Mayflower. They came a few short years latter and settled in Virginia. They were not wealthy people, but humble people that came into this country as the law provided. They worked hard and established for themselves and provided for successive generations.

I am educated, as a child I was taught by my parents and as I matured went to public school. As I progressed through the process I planned along with my parents which University or College I would attend. None of those had the initials of KKK, but they were nevertheless accredited establishments. I do hold several degrees and thank you for recognizing those accomplishments.

I worked hard to make my parents proud, and having made them proud, I do hold a certain amount of satisfaction. I believe that most children want the approval of their parents, represent their family in a favorable light, and bring favorable credit to parents who work hard to ensure their child(ern) grow to the greatest of their potential.

Of note, being "smart" is not the same as having book knowledge. I have several acquaintances that did not graduate high school, but they are smart people. They learn from others, they read and research, and they know when to keep their mouths closed if they are out of their depths. As a child I was taught that it is best to keep one's mouth closed and be thought of as a fool, than to open it and dispel any doubt.

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Dec 4, 2013 12:25:03   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ Loc: Las Vegas, Nv. 89123
 
Tasine wrote:
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You had better learn what a "right" is before mouthing off too much. There is no "right" to medical care, here, or anywhere else. There is no "right" to have firemen or police or insurance. You don't understand what a right is - of course you don't - hell, even your LEADERS in the DNC don't know what rights are and they obviously don't know the laws of the land or the US Constitution. A huge bundle of ignoramuses is the political left.


TASINI: Did you read the copy of the 1787 U.S. Constitution you send to me. See "WE THE PEOPLE" of the U.S. in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defense, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the U.S.A.

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Dec 4, 2013 13:15:50   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
TASINI: Did you read the copy of the 1787 U.S. Constitution you send to me. See "WE THE PEOPLE" of the U.S. in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defense, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the U.S.A.


Being unsure of your point, I am sure you are highlighting the "promote the general welfare" portion. When one speaks of the general welfare it is not the complete welfare that is referenced. The general welfare means good fortune, health, happiness, and prosperity of every citizen. The government, according to the Constitution, is expected to do things that will benefit everyone. It may not, however, help person or group of persons at the expense of all the rest of the people. Many government workers are employed to promote the general welfare. They work to prevent floods, forest fires, spread of disease, and accidents; they help to conserve our soil, forests, wildlife, minerals, and national parks, and they give help to farmers, merchants, and people in industry. Please note, the preamble of the Constitution is applicable to CITIZENS.

Wherein the term citizen has matured over time, it is important to understand how they were defined by our founding fathers. Also noteworthy, there are amendments to the Constitution that at a later date modified and included people (and genders) that were not recognized when the constitution was written. I suggest that you see the following court cases for more information: A citizen of the United States, residing in any state of the Union, is a citizen of that state. 6 Pet. 761 Paine, 594;1 Brock. 391; 1 Paige, 183 Metc. & Perk. Dig. h.t.; vide 3 Story's Const. Sec. 1687 Bouv. Inst. Index, b. t.; 2 Kent, Com. 258; 4 Johns. Ch. R. 430; Vatt. B. 1, c. Id, Sec. 212; Poth. Des Personnes, tit. 2, s. 1. Vide Body Politic; Inhabitant. Indeed, the founding fathers defined a citizen as: " CITIZEN, persons. One who, under the constitution and laws of the United States, has a right to vote for representatives in congress, and other public officers, and who is qualified to fill offices in the gift of the people. In a more extended sense, under the word citizen, are included all white persons born in the United States, and naturalized persons born out of the same, who have not lost their right as such. This includes men, women, and children.
2. Citizens are either native born or naturalized. Native citizens may fill any office; naturalized citizens may be elected or appointed to any office under the constitution of the United States, except the office of president and vice-president. The constitution provides, that "the citizens of each state shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states." Art. 4, s. 2.
3. All natives are not citizens of the United States; the descendants of the aborigines, and those of African origin, are not entitled to the rights of citizens. Anterior to the adoption of the constitution of the United States, each state had the right to make citizens of such persons as it pleased. That constitution does not authorize any but white persons to become citizens of the United States; and it must therefore be presumed that no one is a citizen who is not white. 1 Litt. R. 334; 10 Conn. R. 340; 1 Meigs, R. 331."

When presenting an argument that modern America somehow has an obligation to illegal aliens or their decedents may be better handled through current laws, court cases, and accepted modern day philosophies. The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence does not entirely support your position that all people have certain entitlements. It is important for you to understand that the 13th Amendment was not part of the original document, but an afterthought adopted in 1875.

References:
http://www.quia.com/files/quia/users/mrperdew/preamble1.htm

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/citizen

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/thirteenthamendment.html

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Dec 4, 2013 13:25:41   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
TASINI: Did you read the copy of the 1787 U.S. Constitution you send to me. See "WE THE PEOPLE" of the U.S. in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for common defense, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the U.S.A.

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I did not send you a Constitution. I have two copies in my desk drawer, however. I not only READ it, but I UNDERSTAND it - and it seems obvious no one on the left does understand it.

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Dec 4, 2013 15:20:18   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
OK knucklehead find it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights


GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
You are still living in the "CAVE" come out to the real life. We are in 2013.

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