One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Things I Have Said That Gets Me Called Stupid-Especially Reason #1
Page 1 of 3 next> last>>
Mar 21, 2016 14:31:15   #
Progressive One
 
5 Reasons Trump Won’t Win In November — And One Way He Could

Let’s start by clearing up the dumb misconceptions about the 2016 presidential election.

Republican voters aren’t significantly angrier than they normally are. Primary turnout is in no way clearly predictive of general election success. Donald Trump hasn’t brought hordes of new people to the Republican Party. He’s not any more unpopular with Republican voters than Mitt Romney was at this stage in the 2012 election. He’s more blatantly racist, xenophobic and misogynistic than his primary foes, but his core policy views are nearly identical to all the other Republican candidates. For instance, he wants to make the rich richer, denies climate science and is promising to appoint ultra-conservatives to the Supreme Court.

The real story of the 2016 election is actually quite extraordinary, but no one seems much interested in reality right now.

The candidate who has gotten the most votes, for the second straight contested Democratic presidential primary in a row, is a woman. And most of the people who are voting for her are very pleased with the current Democratic president, who is about as popular now as Ronald Reagan was at this point in his eighth year in office.


“Of course, angry voters make for sexier clickbait,” The New Republic‘s Eric Sasson wrote. “So it’s not too surprising that we’re not seeing front-page headlines that scream, ‘Satisfied Obama Supporters Show Up in Droves.'”

There are plenty of reasons to be frustrated and want more from a government that has been hijacked to serve corporate interests. But few Americans seem eager to shift back the Republican policies that escalated our structural deficiencies into a global financial crisis. And even fewer seem interested in handing over the most powerful military ever created to a paper-thin-skinned demagogue with a scary tolerance for violence, or a sick appetite for it.

He will be the most divisive major presidential candidate in at least a century — an unprincipled Barry Goldwater who could put even the most secure Republican House majority in play with his supreme ability to offend the anti-masochistic.

Here are five reasons why Donald Trump won’t be the next president of the United States. And, to combat complacence, an additional pitch on why you should still be working your ass off to defeat him.


1.There aren’t enough angry white men in America to make Donald Trump president.
Math is not on Donald Trump’s side. Maybe that’s why doesn’t want to release his tax returns. “The math suggests Trump would need a whopping 70 percent of white male voters to cast their ballots for him,” David S. Bernstein wrote in Politico. “That’s a larger percentage than Republicans have ever won before — more than the GOP won in the landslide victories of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and far more than they won during the racially polarized elections of Barack Obama.” The argument is: Trump could motivate Americans who usually don’t show up at the polls; except that most of the people who don’t vote tend to be progressive-leaning non-white males. Trump likes to imagine he’s going to sweep the Rust Belt — even though he’s doing worse with white voters there than Mitt Romney did. It’s true, Politico‘s Timothy Noah points out, that Trump is “doing exceptionally well compared to the other Republican candidates with (overwhelmingly white) blue-collar voters in Republican primaries.” But these are men who’d likely vote for the GOP nominee no matter who he is.

2.The economy indicates a Democratic victory.
If Hillary Clinton becomes the Democratic nominee, and is ultimately elected president, this week will be looked upon as a turning point for her campaign. She not only surprised with a string of victories in Midwest primaries and watched the GOP take another step towards nominating the most unpopular presidential candidate in modern history, but the Fed indicated that it’s slowing the rate increases it had planned just days before the stock market went positive for the year. Some political scientists suggest that how voters feel about the economy is the most predictive factor for whether they’ll seek a change in the White House. And the U.S. economy — especially its job market — remains the great hope of the world, despite stagnating income growth for all but the ultra-wealthy. “Forecasting firm IHS Global Insight predicts that the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, will win 50.9% of the popular vote in November, assuming the economy carries on as expected, with no big surprises,” Yahoo News’ Rick Newman reported.


3.Trump’s brilliant primary plan is a brilliant plan to lose the general election.
Trump’s plan to win the Republican primary by insulting elites and appealing the the basest instincts of Republican voters was designed to offend and fascinate the media, and it worked. But by endorsing mass deportations, banning Muslims from entrance into the U.S., and defunding Planned Parenthood, Trump has alienated the exact voters Republicans need the most. “Based on estimates of the composition of the 2016 electorate, if the next GOP nominee wins the same share of the white vote as Mitt Romney won in 2012 (59 percent), he or she would need to win 30 percent of the nonwhite vote. Set against recent history, that is a daunting obstacle,” the Washington Post‘s Dan Balz wrote. “Romney won only 17 percent of nonwhite voters in 2012. John McCain won 19 percent in 2008. George W. Bush won 26 percent in 2004.” The idea that Trump is about twice as appealing to minority voters as Romney was is hard to believe. And with Romney attacking Trump for associating himself with racism, bigotry and xenophobia, you can imagine that many of the voters who turned out for Romney in droves will vote Democratic or stay home, making Trump’s hurdles even higher.

4.Trump puts new states in play — for Democrats.
Trump continually claims he can put states like New York and Michigan in play, despite polls showing him losing in both states by double digits. These “rust belt” fantasies mostly miss the fact that most of the Democrats willing to leave the party because of racial appeals already have. Meanwhile, Trump’s hostility towards non-white voters could make North Carolina a swing state again. And for the first time, in Arizona a recent poll shows both Clinton and Sanders leading Trump.

5.Negative partisanship.
“The party system has split along racial, cultural, and religious lines, creating a kind of tribal system where each party’s supports regard the other side with incomprehension and loathing,” New York Magazine‘s Jonathan Chait explained after looking at the work of political scientists Alan Abramowitz and Steven Webster. These researchers see in the data what George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s political teams both saw: the death of the swing voter. When women, young people, and people of color make up 81 percent of America’s total population, Democrats have a definite advantage, especially in years with high turnout. That’s why in 2010 we saw an historic effort to make access to the ballot more difficult. “In this trench-warfare atmosphere, the fact that the bloc of voters loyal to the Democrats is growing steadily would seem to loom large,” Chait writes, with the usual caveats about a recession, scandal, or terror attack being able to “disrupt” this pattern — even though voters seem to trust Clinton to deal with a terror attack over Trump.

Here’s how Trump wins: He keeps exceeding expectations.

Maybe we are in denial. That’s what Dilbert creator Scott Adams believes.

“Today I coined the phrase persuasion denier for people who think Clinton’s current poll numbers mean she will beat Trump in November,” he wrote on his purposely provocative blog. “If persuasion is real – and significant for elections – the past will not predict the future. The Master Persuader will warp reality until he gets what he wants. He’s halfway done.”

And Adams isn’t alone. Organized labor is sounding the alarm that Trump could be more popular with the working class than some expect.

Master analyst of political framing George Lakoff is also worried.

“The Democratic Party has not been taking seriously many of the reasons for Trump’s support and the range of that support. And the media has not been discussing many of the reasons for Trump’s support. That needs to change,” he warned in an excellent post explicating the GOP frontrunner’ appeal, “Why Trump?”

With $2 billion thus far in free media from America’s “news” networks, Trump cannot be underestimated. Democrats shouldn’t count on Republicans self-destructing, or on the media standing up to the increasingly absurd demands of this billion-dollar baby.

History tells us that Trump’s rise should not have happened; that “it” can’t happen here. But it could, if we let it.

Photo: Saif Alnuweiri

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 15:41:19   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
A Pop Eyed Spook In 2016 wrote:
5 Reasons Trump Won’t Win In November — And One Way He Could


KuntusNimrodicus,

Your chronic case of Trumpuptherectum is getting worse.

And although your head is stuck up Obammys rear end for now, you're gonna have to pull out soon and the Clinton gal may not be so accomodating to you spooks.

But meanwhile, Trump has you spookers worried to the point of uncivilized behavior.

But the main cause of your infinite stupidity is that you actually believe it matters who the president will be.

Because no matter the outcome you'll still be just a poor dumb spook...........PUNK !!!

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 15:41:59   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
5 Reasons Trump Won’t Win In November — And One Way He Could

Let’s start by clearing up the dumb misconceptions about the 2016 presidential election.

Republican voters aren’t significantly angrier than they normally are. Primary turnout is in no way clearly predictive of general election success. Donald Trump hasn’t brought hordes of new people to the Republican Party. He’s not any more unpopular with Republican voters than Mitt Romney was at this stage in the 2012 election. He’s more blatantly racist, xenophobic and misogynistic than his primary foes, but his core policy views are nearly identical to all the other Republican candidates. For instance, he wants to make the rich richer, denies climate science and is promising to appoint ultra-conservatives to the Supreme Court.

The real story of the 2016 election is actually quite extraordinary, but no one seems much interested in reality right now.

The candidate who has gotten the most votes, for the second straight contested Democratic presidential primary in a row, is a woman. And most of the people who are voting for her are very pleased with the current Democratic president, who is about as popular now as Ronald Reagan was at this point in his eighth year in office.


“Of course, angry voters make for sexier clickbait,” The New Republic‘s Eric Sasson wrote. “So it’s not too surprising that we’re not seeing front-page headlines that scream, ‘Satisfied Obama Supporters Show Up in Droves.'”

There are plenty of reasons to be frustrated and want more from a government that has been hijacked to serve corporate interests. But few Americans seem eager to shift back the Republican policies that escalated our structural deficiencies into a global financial crisis. And even fewer seem interested in handing over the most powerful military ever created to a paper-thin-skinned demagogue with a scary tolerance for violence, or a sick appetite for it.

He will be the most divisive major presidential candidate in at least a century — an unprincipled Barry Goldwater who could put even the most secure Republican House majority in play with his supreme ability to offend the anti-masochistic.

Here are five reasons why Donald Trump won’t be the next president of the United States. And, to combat complacence, an additional pitch on why you should still be working your ass off to defeat him.


1.There aren’t enough angry white men in America to make Donald Trump president.
Math is not on Donald Trump’s side. Maybe that’s why doesn’t want to release his tax returns. “The math suggests Trump would need a whopping 70 percent of white male voters to cast their ballots for him,” David S. Bernstein wrote in Politico. “That’s a larger percentage than Republicans have ever won before — more than the GOP won in the landslide victories of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and far more than they won during the racially polarized elections of Barack Obama.” The argument is: Trump could motivate Americans who usually don’t show up at the polls; except that most of the people who don’t vote tend to be progressive-leaning non-white males. Trump likes to imagine he’s going to sweep the Rust Belt — even though he’s doing worse with white voters there than Mitt Romney did. It’s true, Politico‘s Timothy Noah points out, that Trump is “doing exceptionally well compared to the other Republican candidates with (overwhelmingly white) blue-collar voters in Republican primaries.” But these are men who’d likely vote for the GOP nominee no matter who he is.

2.The economy indicates a Democratic victory.
If Hillary Clinton becomes the Democratic nominee, and is ultimately elected president, this week will be looked upon as a turning point for her campaign. She not only surprised with a string of victories in Midwest primaries and watched the GOP take another step towards nominating the most unpopular presidential candidate in modern history, but the Fed indicated that it’s slowing the rate increases it had planned just days before the stock market went positive for the year. Some political scientists suggest that how voters feel about the economy is the most predictive factor for whether they’ll seek a change in the White House. And the U.S. economy — especially its job market — remains the great hope of the world, despite stagnating income growth for all but the ultra-wealthy. “Forecasting firm IHS Global Insight predicts that the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, will win 50.9% of the popular vote in November, assuming the economy carries on as expected, with no big surprises,” Yahoo News’ Rick Newman reported.


3.Trump’s brilliant primary plan is a brilliant plan to lose the general election.
Trump’s plan to win the Republican primary by insulting elites and appealing the the basest instincts of Republican voters was designed to offend and fascinate the media, and it worked. But by endorsing mass deportations, banning Muslims from entrance into the U.S., and defunding Planned Parenthood, Trump has alienated the exact voters Republicans need the most. “Based on estimates of the composition of the 2016 electorate, if the next GOP nominee wins the same share of the white vote as Mitt Romney won in 2012 (59 percent), he or she would need to win 30 percent of the nonwhite vote. Set against recent history, that is a daunting obstacle,” the Washington Post‘s Dan Balz wrote. “Romney won only 17 percent of nonwhite voters in 2012. John McCain won 19 percent in 2008. George W. Bush won 26 percent in 2004.” The idea that Trump is about twice as appealing to minority voters as Romney was is hard to believe. And with Romney attacking Trump for associating himself with racism, bigotry and xenophobia, you can imagine that many of the voters who turned out for Romney in droves will vote Democratic or stay home, making Trump’s hurdles even higher.

4.Trump puts new states in play — for Democrats.
Trump continually claims he can put states like New York and Michigan in play, despite polls showing him losing in both states by double digits. These “rust belt” fantasies mostly miss the fact that most of the Democrats willing to leave the party because of racial appeals already have. Meanwhile, Trump’s hostility towards non-white voters could make North Carolina a swing state again. And for the first time, in Arizona a recent poll shows both Clinton and Sanders leading Trump.

5.Negative partisanship.
“The party system has split along racial, cultural, and religious lines, creating a kind of tribal system where each party’s supports regard the other side with incomprehension and loathing,” New York Magazine‘s Jonathan Chait explained after looking at the work of political scientists Alan Abramowitz and Steven Webster. These researchers see in the data what George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s political teams both saw: the death of the swing voter. When women, young people, and people of color make up 81 percent of America’s total population, Democrats have a definite advantage, especially in years with high turnout. That’s why in 2010 we saw an historic effort to make access to the ballot more difficult. “In this trench-warfare atmosphere, the fact that the bloc of voters loyal to the Democrats is growing steadily would seem to loom large,” Chait writes, with the usual caveats about a recession, scandal, or terror attack being able to “disrupt” this pattern — even though voters seem to trust Clinton to deal with a terror attack over Trump.

Here’s how Trump wins: He keeps exceeding expectations.

Maybe we are in denial. That’s what Dilbert creator Scott Adams believes.

“Today I coined the phrase persuasion denier for people who think Clinton’s current poll numbers mean she will beat Trump in November,” he wrote on his purposely provocative blog. “If persuasion is real – and significant for elections – the past will not predict the future. The Master Persuader will warp reality until he gets what he wants. He’s halfway done.”

And Adams isn’t alone. Organized labor is sounding the alarm that Trump could be more popular with the working class than some expect.

Master analyst of political framing George Lakoff is also worried.

“The Democratic Party has not been taking seriously many of the reasons for Trump’s support and the range of that support. And the media has not been discussing many of the reasons for Trump’s support. That needs to change,” he warned in an excellent post explicating the GOP frontrunner’ appeal, “Why Trump?”

With $2 billion thus far in free media from America’s “news” networks, Trump cannot be underestimated. Democrats shouldn’t count on Republicans self-destructing, or on the media standing up to the increasingly absurd demands of this billion-dollar baby.

History tells us that Trump’s rise should not have happened; that “it” can’t happen here. But it could, if we let it.

Photo: Saif Alnuweiri
5 Reasons Trump Won’t Win In November — And One Wa... (show quote)


You do love to espouse bullshit don't you? But, then you're a Democrat, and they wallow in bullshit.

Reply
 
 
Mar 21, 2016 16:01:19   #
Progressive One
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
KuntusNimrodicus,

Your chronic case of Trumpuptherectum is getting worse.

And although your head is stuck up Obammys rear end for now, you're gonna have to pull out soon and the Clinton gal may not be so accomodating to you spooks.

But meanwhile, Trump has you spookers worried to the point of uncivilized behavior.

But the main cause of your infinite stupidity is that you actually believe it matters who the president will be.

Because no matter the outcome you'll still be just a poor dumb spook...........PUNK !!!
KuntusNimrodicus, br br Your chronic case of Trum... (show quote)


Hey Mr. "big nuts Online and small nuts in person"- a true bitch slapping candidate.: Read #1-And go read how Obama won in 2012 without the vote of soon to be dinosaurs like you. Pretty soon you will have plenty of time on your hands to call black people spooks all day long.
:thumbup: :lol:

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 16:02:06   #
Progressive One
 
JMHO wrote:
You do love to espouse bullshit don't you? But, then you're a Democrat, and they wallow in bullshit.


Will you admit in 2017 this wasn't bullshitte?

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 16:03:31   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
Thanks for giving us Trump supporters all the more reason to get our vote out , every derogatory post you put out just solidifys our resolve .. thanks again :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 16:04:18   #
Progressive One
 
reconreb wrote:
Thanks for giving us Trump supporters all the more reason to get our vote out , every derogatory post you put out just solidifys our resolve .. thanks again :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Reply
 
 
Mar 21, 2016 16:05:20   #
Progressive One
 
reconreb wrote:
Thanks for giving us Trump supporters all the more reason to get our vote out , every derogatory post you put out just solidifys our resolve .. thanks again :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Everything Trump has said will do the same, but to a MUCH GREATER DEGREE!!!

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 16:06:32   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
Will you admit in 2017 this wasn't bullshitte?


Will you admit in 2017 it is bullshit? :)

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 16:19:55   #
Progressive One
 
JMHO wrote:
Will you admit in 2017 it is bullshit? :)


If Trump gets canned before then I won't have to. That alone will prove my point. He did not make it to the General so the election discussion will be a non-issue. I always have the answer for my own questions when they are just given back to me. You did not answer: Will you admit it was not bullshit?

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 16:39:35   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
If Trump gets canned before then I won't have to. That alone will prove my point. He did not make it to the General so the election discussion will be a non-issue. I always have the answer for my own questions when they are just given back to me. You did not answer: Will you admit it was not bullshit?


In your libtard dreams, pal...and, yes it was pure bullshit. I never met a Democrat who wasn't full of bullshit. Just look at your pathetic slate of candidates, a socialist/borderline Communist old goat, and a pathological lying old hag with no accomplishments who is under criminal investigation by the FBI...and, that is the best you morons can come up with? That's the best your corrupt party can produce?

Reply
 
 
Mar 21, 2016 16:49:31   #
Progressive One
 
JMHO wrote:
In your libtard dreams, pal...and, yes it was pure bullshit. I never met a Democrat who wasn't full of bullshit. Just look at your pathetic slate of candidates, a socialist/borderline Communist old goat, and a pathological lying old hag with no accomplishments who is under criminal investigation by the FBI...and, that is the best you morons can come up with? That's the best your corrupt party can produce?


Just give it up when the GOP get's TRUMPED. I know you're man enough to admit you didn't know what the f-k you were talking about. I am, but as always, my money is on ME. So will you man up and admit you should have shut up?

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 17:34:37   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
Just give it up when the GOP get's TRUMPED. I know you're man enough to admit you didn't know what the f-k you were talking about. I am, but as always, my money is on ME. So will you man up and admit you should have shut up?


Well, moron, as usual, you're wasting your money. Man up? How about you man up, libtard? never met a libtard Democrat who could man up, or even tell the truth about anything for that matter. We do know that you don't know WTF you're talking about, pal...just a lot of hot air and bullshit. :mrgreen:

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 17:37:27   #
Progressive One
 
JMHO wrote:
Well, moron, as usual, you're wasting your money. Man up? How about you man up, libtard? never met a libtard Democrat who could man up, or even tell the truth about anything for that matter. We do know that you don't know WTF you're talking about, pal...just a lot of hot air and bullshit. :mrgreen:


So (stick to the topic/question dumbass) you'll admit you was talking bullshit if Trump gets canned or Hillary wins?

I'll do the same if the opposite occurs. I am sure that is a bet you will take since the same offer is being made on this end. Unless you are scared you'll have to apologize to a liberal/progressive. Wouldn't that be humbling for you?

Reply
Mar 21, 2016 18:53:10   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
A Democrat In 2016 wrote:
So (stick to the topic/question dumbass) you'll admit you was talking bullshit if Trump gets canned or Hillary wins?

I'll do the same if the opposite occurs. I am sure that is a bet you will take since the same offer is being made on this end. Unless you are scared you'll have to apologize to a liberal/progressive. Wouldn't that be humbling for you?


Well, dumbass, you're the one that has been talking bullshit, not me. I simply called you on it, and your pathetic slate of candidates. Trump will not get canned, he may not be the nominee because the process is not over. He is the current delegate leader, and is still high in popularity. But, Hillary will not beat Trump, or Cruz, pal. BTW, that will be the day I have to apologize to a libtard Democrat, pal. You just get ready to apologize to a conservative, you f**king mental midget.

Reply
Page 1 of 3 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.