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Mar 2, 2016 12:01:57   #
Carol Kelly
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Hey Carol, ALL the states eventually folded to the demands of the wealthy heirarchy in Washington, D.C. It became reality basically starting around 1932 and was completed by 1938. This was all done during the administration of FDR. The people were pledged as assets - and collateral (surety, chattel) - for the MUNICIPAL corporation known as UNITED STATES INC. which in reality has no valid authority outside Washington, D.C.

And that is the premise behind what all the truthers and 'soverign citizens' were arguing about in the ruckus that went on in Burns, OR. That the Feds, any of the 3 letter agencies - FBI, EPA, IRS, BLM, etc - HAVE NO VALID AUTHORITY in the union states. Judge Anna von Reitz expounded on this identifying the FBI agents as "Paid Mercenaries" of a foreign corporation. Which is correct. What is a corporation..?? It is a 'piece of paper' identifying authority or ownership of / over PERSONS or assets. An asset can be anything identifiable.

Like my wife's ownership of her cleaning company, her corporate charter, her 'piece of paper' identifies what she owns, and what the outlines are of what she does.

And I'm not trying to confuse here, its all woven together like a fine spider web to ensnare us all. Just as US Citizenship is. Most people just don't understand that being a US Citizen identifies you as a Corporate citizen and therefore an acting agent of the CORPORATION to collect revenue. This is how they tax you on your income. You are and acting agent of the corporation, collecting revenue for the corporation.

Try this link for more info: http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/true_history/AffTruth.html

And before I get called a crackpot again, there is far too much research into this subject by a very large number of people. So for anyone who wishes to refute this claim, bring your evidence to the table first.

(As an add note, I once got a logbook ticket in California. 24 hours behind was a $1200 fine. My stance in court was that the MUNICIPAL corporation UNITED STATES INC had no jurisdiction in the state of California and if the Highway Patrol officer wished to represent the UNITED STATES INC on foreign territory, then he should display his "Foreign Agent Registration Papers" immediately. He couldn't and the judge sided with me. DISCHARGED the matter with Prejudice. Not trying to confuse you, I just am trying to show you how this is all woven together like a fine, invisible spider web.)
Hey Carol, ALL the states eventually folded to the... (show quote)


Thank you fr your response. I'm paying attention, because anything is believable these days.

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Mar 2, 2016 12:02:28   #
HistorianDude
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Well, thank you for your response and information at any rate.. I also have lawyers in my circle of friends. One has admitted to being in the BAR, and has also acknowledged that the BAR means exactly what I said - British Accredited Registry.

Given that you can look up any lawyer's status with their respective state bars online, to admit you are admitted to the bar is perhaps the most unremarkable admission in the entire history of unremarkable admissions.

And if he has actually "acknowledged that the BAR means exactly what (you) said," then I can only assume he was patronizing you as a crackpot to end the conversation.

Please... point me to this "British Accredited Registry." I have a whole bunch of lawyer and judge friends for whom I wish to check their accreditation.

Got a link?

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Mar 2, 2016 12:03:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
trucksterbud wrote:
Well, thank you for your response and information at any rate.. I also have lawyers in my circle of friends. One has admitted to being in the BAR, and has also acknowledged that the BAR means exactly what I said - British Accredited Registry.



I dont know, but after I talked to him and the other person, I did look for a definition and this same thing is shown over and over. That the term comes from the railing/bar in front of the court room. Then the slang became a real term.

I will give a try on "British Accredited registry" just for the heck of it...

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Mar 2, 2016 12:03:55   #
HistorianDude
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Thank you fr your response. I'm paying attention, because anything is believable these days.


For those who possess no critical think skills, anything has always been believable.

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Mar 2, 2016 12:07:28   #
Carol Kelly
 
PeterS wrote:
Jefferson was a lawyer, Madison studied it thoroughly, and lets not forget Lincoln, who too, was well know for his defense of the law. Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 25 were lawyers. Of the 55 framers of the Constitution, 32 were lawyers. The rule of law and respect for it lies at the center of our democracy--enslavement or not...


I love them all but I see through Lincoln. Not because I'm a Southerner. The South would have been better off with him. He didn't have to declare war. He could have made money w/o that. He hired Generals who didn't know their heads from holes in the ground. I've read books on him written by Northerners. Just to get the other side of the story. Being fair and balanced and unafraid. Now where did I hear that?

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Mar 2, 2016 12:30:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
permafrost wrote:
I dont know, but after I talked to him and the other person, I did look for a definition and this same thing is shown over and over. That the term comes from the railing/bar in front of the court room. Then the slang became a real term.

I will give a try on "British Accredited registry" just for the heck of it...




The BAR thing has so many intres that a person could use up several weeks running them down and dealing with them..

Wikipedia has deleted information on British Accredited Registry as an urban legend...

I did run into this, which is part of an article about the 13th..

I am going to leave the subject now or will use the entire day chasing the subject and it does not deserve that much effort..

And here's the shocking truth: Tremblay, Baldasaro, and Christiansen don't have their facts straight.

The amendment in question, known as the Titles of Nobility Amendment, did come quite close to passing—at least at first. With Americans wary of the threat posed by Great Britain and Napoleonic France, the proposal was approved by both branches of Congress and 12 states, only to be put on ice during the War of 1812. By the war's end, the momentum had been lost, and the addition of new states to the union made the threshold for passage that much higher. It was never ratified.

Notwithstanding that detail, the idea of a stealth constitutional amendment has gained traction on the far right. It began in the early 1990s, when a publication called AntiShyster (which is what it sounds like) alleged that the original 13th Amendment was, in fact, on the books, and that it barred lawyers from holding office. As this 1999 article in the Southern California Interdisciplinary Law Journal documented, the "thirteenther" conspiracy has since been embraced by anti-government extremists who have alleged that the secret amendment gives them cover to kill police officers.

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Mar 2, 2016 12:36:06   #
HistorianDude
 
permafrost wrote:
And here's the shocking truth: Tremblay, Baldasaro, and Christiansen don't have their facts straight.

The amendment in question, known as the Titles of Nobility Amendment, did come quite close to passing—at least at first. With Americans wary of the threat posed by Great Britain and Napoleonic France, the proposal was approved by both branches of Congress and 12 states, only to be put on ice during the War of 1812. By the war's end, the momentum had been lost, and the addition of new states to the union made the threshold for passage that much higher. It was never ratified.
And here's the shocking truth: Tremblay, Baldasaro... (show quote)

And don't forget, even if it had been ratified, it would not have affected lawyers in any way. Being a lawyer is not a foreign title of nobility.

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Mar 2, 2016 12:39:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
HistorianDude wrote:
And don't forget, even if it had been ratified, it would not have affected lawyers in any way. Being a lawyer is not a foreign title of nobility.



So very correct...... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 2, 2016 14:34:33   #
Carol Kelly
 
HistorianDude wrote:
For those who possess no critical think skills, anything has always been believable.


This me ignoring you!

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Mar 2, 2016 15:21:46   #
HistorianDude
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
This me ignoring you!

By definition, no. That is not.

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Mar 2, 2016 15:54:38   #
Turk182
 
You are wrong and need to study you law a little more. Attorneys are "foreign agents". As that being said they are thieves, crooks, and murders in some cases.

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Mar 2, 2016 16:07:59   #
HistorianDude
 
Turk182 wrote:
You are wrong and need to study you law a little more.

If that were true, you would be able to show me the law that says I'm wrong.

Go for it. I'm happy to wait.

Turk182 wrote:
Attorneys are "foreign agents".

Nonsense. Attorneys are anybody who goes to law school and graduates with a Juris Doctorate degree. They are no more foreign agents than anybody else with a Doctoral level degree.

Turk182 wrote:
As that being said they are thieves, crooks, and murders in some cases.

In some cases, so are Sovereign Citizens.

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Mar 2, 2016 20:06:23   #
Turk182
 
"Nonsense. Attorneys are anybody who goes to law school and graduates with a Juris Doctorate degree."

Really. The term “BAR” is an acronym for British Accredited Registry [see comments below]. These snakes are in fact working for the Crown of England. And that is why the gold fringed flags are in the courtrooms. It signifies admiralty jurisdiction* [maritime law], which is another way of saying British jurisdiction [England is a maritime nation]. When you cross the bar in a courtroom, you are entering a British colonial forum.

Most all 3 letter corporations are :Foreign Agents", BLM, FBI, NSA.

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Mar 2, 2016 21:04:39   #
HistorianDude
 
Turk182 wrote:
The term “BAR” is an acronym for British Accredited Registry.

No. It is not.

It is not an acronym at all. The letters stand for nothing but letters.

The origin of the term "bar" is from the physical partition, a railing or barrier that serves as a bar to separate the legal participants in a court of law from the outside observers. When a lawyer qualifies to practice law, they are then allowed past the bar.

That's all it is.

Turk182 wrote:
And that is why the gold fringed flags are in the courtrooms. It signifies admiralty jurisdiction* (maritime law), which is another way of saying British jurisdiction (England is a maritime nation).

Wrong again.

A gold fringe on a flag is nothing more than a pretty decoration.

It has no legal significance. It has nothing to do with jurisdiction. It has nothing to do with admiralty law.

Turk182 wrote:
Most all 3 letter corporations are :Foreign Agents", BLM, FBI, NSA.

None of those are corporations. And none of them are foreign anything.

Why do you guys believe all that goofy crap? There is no basis for any of it.

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Mar 2, 2016 21:08:54   #
Turk182
 
You are a shill and full of shit.

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