Should people only be able to buy revolvers and bolt action rifles? (Page 6): What makes you think a well regulated militia is not necessary? It was designed to keep the government in...

the waker Loc: 11th freest nation

PeterS wrote:

So what's "original meaning?" br br b... (show quote)

What makes you think a well regulated militia is not necessary?
It was designed to keep the government in check, not just other countries.

steve66613

We seem to have fairly stringent gun laws "on the books" right now. So, how did the gv'ment determine that the 2cnd Amendment meant banning automatic weapons? How did "they" ban "assault rifles" and drop it later? Can "they" make arbitrary restrictions now? (Of course!). In the last revolt, we used flintlocks.

Personally, I believe I should be able to own ANY form of weaponry ever conceived! But, maybe common sense should creep into the public psyche. It's kind'a like trying to (literally) deport thirteen million people....banning semi-automatic weapons just ain't gonna' happen.....simply a matter of logistics and/or common sense.

"Prying from my cold, dead hands" sounds macho, but, if Brownie Scouts say: "hand 'em over", guess I'd do it grudgingly.

Let's just stay status quo on gun laws.....enforce what we have and hope to h#ll Trump doesn't change!

Sons of Liberty Loc: look behind you!

the waker wrote:

What makes you think a well regulated militia is not necessary?
It was designed to keep the government in check, not just other countries.

Exactly!
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Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico

PeterS wrote:

You're not taking a knife to a gun fight. You are taking a gun to a gun fight. And it's not the criminals who are doing all the mass shootings. It's terrorists and nut jobs who are legally buying guns. If the only guns available are revolvers or bolt action rifles the damage would be far less and, as this one, barely a postscript when it could have been so very much worse. And are you saying you can only hunt and compete if you have semiautomatic weapons? Are you really that bad of a shot?

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Terrorist get their guns from friends of like minds, nut jobs may steal a gun before they go out and buy a gun, those that do and commit a crime are just another terrorist in my mind.

Yes Criminals are just as evil as the terrorists, look at the nightly shooting in Detroit, Chicago.........more than 2-4 a nite, drive by shootings, all with stolen weapons.

I'm a pretty good shot, if I might admit, six shooters and single shot rifle, but that being said, after climbing a mountain, I shot real shitty. Period, no matter what I'm shooting. I don't plan on going to a gun fight with just a knife, I plan on bringing what allows me to win. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Peter, You just never know! The Mohawks may decide to attack again, and all those settlers in Pittsburg may get scalped! The

PeterS wrote:

So what's "original meaning?" br br b... (show quote)

the waker Loc: 11th freest nation

saltwind 78 wrote:

Peter, You just never know! The Mohawks may decide to attack again, and all those settlers in Pittsburg may get scalped! The

I'm a Ravens fan, won't hurt my feelings. :lol:

Kevyn

PeterS wrote:

So what's "original meaning?" br br b... (show quote)

SInce the the President of the US is by constitution the commander and chief, and as such is in charge of all of the armed forces of which the well regulated milita is part of, it is he whos duty it is to regulate the milita. The second amendment specificaly uses the collective "people" not the singular "a person or a mans" right, the meaning is very obvious.

Liberty Tree

Kevyn wrote:

SInce the the President of the US is by constitution the commander and chief, and as such is in charge of all of the armed forces of which the well regulated milita is part of, it is he whos duty it is to regulate the milita. The second amendment specificaly uses the collective "people" not the singular "a person or a mans" right, the meaning is very obvious.

The fourth amendment refers to the rights of individuals not just to the masses, even though the word "people" is used. So the second amendment refers to individuals as well.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

PeterS wrote:

I recently made the point in a gun debate that we ... (show quote)

It is apparent that you know nothing about guns.

In case you didn't know this, nations have fielded armies equipped with bolt action rifles, and with them, have fought long and bloody wars. They did one helluva lot of damage. Of course we have to take machine guns and artillery into account, but during WW2, the bolt action rifle was the standard infantry rifle for all nations, except the US, throughout the war.

Now, about those revolvers. Like any other gun, people who own and shoot them, train with them. And that training includes speed reloads. Meet Jerry Miculek, world record holder. 12 shots from an S&W revolver in UNDER THREE SECONDS.

Personally, I prefer the semi-auto, both in a handgun and a defense rifle.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

bylm1 wrote:

Before you go too far, Pete, I believe it says "Bear arms" not "bare".

The original meaning is that there is no infringement of the right to bear arms....... Period..

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

PeterS wrote:

I recently made the point in a gun debate that we should only be able to own revolvers and bolt action rifles because they are limited in the amount of damage they can do before running out of ammo and the shooter having to reload. During the pause, where he is reloading, you now have the opportunity to rush him or you can pull out your own six shooter and blow him/her away. A case in point is the latest school

Why would you wait for the shooter to run out of ammo before drawing your own weapon?

And going up against a shooter with a semiautomatic assault weapon, I would want the ability to load quick and easy.

Remember, only law abiding people would be having a single shot rifle or revolver.

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

Kevyn wrote:

SInce the the President of the US is by constitution the commander and chief, and as such is in charge of all of the armed forces of which the well regulated milita is part of, it is he whos duty it is to regulate the milita. The second amendment specificaly uses the collective "people" not the singular "a person or a mans" right, the meaning is very obvious.

You have no Freaking clue.....The Militia is to be under the authority of the States....

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Workinman wrote:

You have no Freaking clue.....The Militia is to be under the authority of the States....

Actually, the county Sheriff has more constitutional power than most people know.

The National Guard is under the authority of the Governor. The Guard is not a militia.

Only a county Sheriff has the constitutional authority to call 'posse comitatus'.

The county Sheriff is the last-resort local commander of the militia in times of overthrow by another nation or an internal coup.

That's why a Sheriff cannot be removed from office by any elected official including the POTUS.

The Congress can call up the militia. (This was a power reserved in case some Progressive POTUS tried to conduct a coup and the congress had a backbone.)

U.S. Constitution Article I Section 8 clauses 15 and 16: "The Congress shall have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

These facts are somewhat obscure, but are facts.

The idea of a POTUS commanding the militia is counter to the original purpose of the militia, which was in large part to protect America from a power hungry POTUS.

Gatsby

Alright, all of you morons who think that passing a new law will help; why don't you just pass laws against murder, rape, robbery.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

steve66613 wrote:

We seem to have fairly stringent gun laws "on... (show quote)

Trump carries most of the time. He is a gun buff.