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Nov 28, 2013 23:05:55   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
I don't know of any other President in history who has functioned on the level of a Marxist inspired subversive. Have you? Look at his background: Communist influence since childhood. Communists associates in and out of College. Past member of a Socialist club in College. Saul Alinski (the Communist) follower. *Same with Hillary Clinton who studied under Saul Alinski. Feels that the Constitution doesn't give government (him) enough power. Functions outside of the legal constraints of the Constitution, and says he will continue to do so via Executive Orders. You're going to support this Fraud?
I don't know of any other President in history who... (show quote)


You cannot be communist and socialist at the same time. Please pick one or the other and THEN build your case, with the same speculation, fantasy and innuendo. I don't support him, I also don't support any of the other idiots up there.

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Nov 29, 2013 00:30:52   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
lpnmajor wrote:
You cannot be communist and socialist at the same time. Please pick one or the other and THEN build your case, with the same speculation, fantasy and innuendo. I don't support him, I also don't support any of the other idiots up there.


Nikita Khrushchev once said that Socialism Progresses to Communism. Coming from a hard core Communist, not much difference between the two.

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Nov 29, 2013 01:32:03   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
Nikita Khrushchev once said that Socialism Progresses to Communism. Coming from a hard core Communist, not much difference between the two.


Still, you cannot be both at once.

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Nov 29, 2013 03:26:08   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Quote:
The October Surprise conspiracy theory refers to an alleged plot to influence the outcome of the 1980 United States presidential election between incumbent Jimmy Carter (D–GA) and opponent Ronald Reagan (R–CA).

One of the leading national issues during that year was the release of 52 Americans being held hostage in Iran since November 4, 1979. Reagan won the election. On the day of his inauguration, in fact, 20 minutes after he concluded his inaugural address, the Islamic Republic of Iran announced the release of the hostages. The timing gave rise to an allegation that representatives of Reagan's presidential campaign had conspired with Iran to delay the release until after the election to thwart President Carter from pulling off an "October surprise".

According to the allegation, the Reagan Administration rewarded Iran for its participation in the plot by supplying Iran with weapons via Israel and by unblocking Iranian government monetary assets in US banks.

After twelve years of mixed media attention, both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries and concluded that the allegations lacked supporting documentation.
The October Surprise conspiracy theory refers to a... (show quote)
Actually Reagan did contact Khomeini. The message was short and sweet. Reagan told him, "Listen, asshole, if I win this election, and it's a good bet I will, you will have 20 minutes to release all hostages alive and well or we're gonna turn your fu*king nation into a glass parking lot." :mrgreen:

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Nov 29, 2013 07:36:13   #
1OldGeezer
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I don't particularly like Obama either, but, this constant yow yow is tiresome. Every president has their detractors while they serve, then everyone loves them. That's a fact. Boring repetition of Obama's bads, boo.


What adjectives would you use to describe:
Fast and Furious and its coverup,
Benghazi: DELIBERATE false tales by Obama and Amb Rice for several weeks after they knew the truth- and the loss of 4 Americans without any effort to help- and "What difference does it make" by Hillary

IRS Illegal targeting of conservative groups - (still no approval on most) in support of Obama's re election.

Obamacare-the DELIBERATE "mistakes" of telling everyone that they could keep their policies and Drs in order to pass an income redistribution system.

The Unnecessary/deliberate closing of the War Memorials to Vets during the govt shutdown as political punishment. and barricading the roads so national monuments could not be viewed?

And all of these, Obama knew nothing until he read it in the paper..Right!

Let's see; I'm gonna try to describe it differently for you...Nice doesn't quite fit, let's try patriotic, no, not that one either.....Great, Wonderful, Caring, .... (You come up with some to describe these acts for me, OK? , or, Can we just say "he didn't know", would that work?)

Further, this is not about Obama as a person, it is about the acts being perpetrated, (which is an ongoing process, if you haven't noticed) in order to "transform" this nation as Barack Obama promised. If you just "go along", get ready for a Nanny state, or WORSE.

What is tiresome is that this administration seems to always get away with all of these with no consequenses and no one held accountable, and many other persons who seem to be saying, Move on, nothing here! (some in these political forums)
You need to remember that you too are going with the rest of us citizens if and/or when we go..
1oldgeezer :-(

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Nov 29, 2013 08:55:13   #
Don DeHoff
 
Come on, you can not get away with making such a incriminating post, without providing details and documentation (and Time Magazine don't count as being authoritative)----and Reagan would not have done that as the "behind the scene" worker bees always operate independently to prevent such issues being attributed to those running for office. And, why now, after so many years have passed and the principles are dead and records are "who knows where"? This is a scam just to take our focus off of the real issues at hand. And for the "believers", what if Reagan had said, "Release those prisoners on so and so date, else when I get in office I shall "turn one of your major cities into a free standing "parking lot"?

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Nov 29, 2013 09:07:25   #
Don DeHoff
 
Why such a question? Do you forward the names to FEMA so they can make reservations at one of their "Summer camps"?

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Nov 29, 2013 09:32:52   #
1OldGeezer
 
lpnmajor wrote:
You cannot be communist and socialist at the same time. Please pick one or the other and THEN build your case, with the same speculation, fantasy and innuendo. I don't support him, I also don't support any of the other idiots up there.

Ipnmajor,
Your comment is apparently just an attempt to obfuscate and ignore/hide the fact that Barack Obama had an upbringing by persons who were devoted to Socialism or Communism and he wrote in his book that when he was in College he sought out those persons with those views also.
To be clear, a person can put this nation on the path to both socialism and communism, the PATH IS THE SAME, you just get to socialism first as a precursor to communism. In my opinion, True Communism is not sustainable and could not survive for any appreciable time as the sole political system because of human nature. It would devolve into a Socialist State like North Korea. (COMMUNIST North Korea is a misnomer).

In the words of Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make" (whether we call it socialism or communism), both require a strong central authority (or anarchy) that has the power to take anything they wish and do with it whatever they wish, the individual has one option; the "right " to comply with the government edict.

For my part, I believe in individual freedoms, I believe that is what provided the incentive to make this great country prosperous in the past, to which all the rest of the world wanted to immigrate.

The country can become prosperous again if we can go back to true capitalism/free enterprise with its incentives and with only limited government intervention.
We are rapidly losing those freedoms with this administration,and approaching Crony Capitalism (government and business collusion such as Obamacare law and the insurance industry-that is not going to turn out well).

Government control is what Obama meant when he promised "Total Transformation" when he was elected the first time. Were you listening, just not hearing?
1oldgeezer

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Nov 29, 2013 09:44:35   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
What adjectives would you use to describe:
Fast and Furious and its coverup,
Benghazi: DELIBERATE false tales by Obama and Amb Rice for several weeks after they knew the truth- and the loss of 4 Americans without any effort to help- and "What difference does it make" by Hillary

IRS Illegal targeting of conservative groups - (still no approval on most) in support of Obama's re election.

Obamacare-the DELIBERATE "mistakes" of telling everyone that they could keep their policies and Drs in order to pass an income redistribution system.

The Unnecessary/deliberate closing of the War Memorials to Vets during the govt shutdown as political punishment. and barricading the roads so national monuments could not be viewed?

And all of these, Obama knew nothing until he read it in the paper..Right!

Let's see; I'm gonna try to describe it differently for you...Nice doesn't quite fit, let's try patriotic, no, not that one either.....Great, Wonderful, Caring, .... (You come up with some to describe these acts for me, OK? , or, Can we just say "he didn't know", would that work?)

Further, this is not about Obama as a person, it is about the acts being perpetrated, (which is an ongoing process, if you haven't noticed) in order to "transform" this nation as Barack Obama promised. If you just "go along", get ready for a Nanny state, or WORSE.

What is tiresome is that this administration seems to always get away with all of these with no consequenses and no one held accountable, and many other persons who seem to be saying, Move on, nothing here! (some in these political forums)
You need to remember that you too are going with the rest of us citizens if and/or when we go..
1oldgeezer :-(
What adjectives would you use to describe: br Fast... (show quote)


I'd use none. These issues have been debated to death. Nothing has changed. There is no new information. Endlessly harping on old and over with material changes nothing. You sound like an old women constantly updating her husbands faults and going through the list every single time! Give it a rest.

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Nov 29, 2013 09:49:09   #
Don Overton Loc: Southwest USA
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
I don't know of any other President in history who has functioned on the level of a Marxist inspired subversive. Have you? Look at his background: Communist influence since childhood. Communists associates in and out of College. Past member of a Socialist club in College. Saul Alinski (the Communist) follower. *Same with Hillary Clinton who studied under Saul Alinski. Feels that the Constitution doesn't give government (him) enough power. Functions outside of the legal constraints of the Constitution, and says he will continue to do so via Executive Orders. You're going to support this Fraud?
I don't know of any other President in history who... (show quote)


So much fascist bullshit and never any truth from those on the right. Being anti-American is all they have.



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Nov 29, 2013 09:55:52   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Don Overton wrote:
So much fascist bullshit and never any truth from those on the right. Being anti-American is all they have.


Now come on, if you're rich and come from the right family, America is still the "land of the free". Why complain? We simply are not as valuable as they are and certainly don't have enough monopoly money ( stocks/bonds) to support them so, we have to go.
Welcome to the ununited states.

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Nov 29, 2013 12:39:17   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
OldSchool wrote:
Tasine you did it again! Excellent...just excellent! And, right on the money!

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Thank you, kind sir.



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Nov 29, 2013 15:05:36   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Don Overton wrote:
Behind Carter's back, the Reagan campaign worked out a deal with the leader of Iran's radical faction - Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini - to keep the hostages in captivity until after the 1980 Presidential election.

This was nothing short of treason. The Reagan campaign's secret negotiations with Khomeini - the so-called "October Surprise" - sabotaged Carter and Bani-Sadr's attempts to free the hostages. And as Bani-Sadr told The Christian Science Monitor in March of this year, they most certainly "tipped the results of the [1980] election in Reagan's favor."

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/20287-without-reagans-treason-iran-would-not-be-a-problem

Typical right wing playbook. Can't win fairly then cheat, lie and demean
Behind Carter's back, the Reagan campaign worked o... (show quote)


Mmmm, and you have no reason to suspect that the sources you cite might not be telling the whole truth?

How does what Obama is doing now tie in with what happened then?

The caption on your avatar says "Grasping at Straws". Is that what you're doing?

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Nov 29, 2013 15:10:09   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
1OldGeezer wrote:
Don Overton,
What a fanciful tale, Wonder how much George Soros had to pay for that one . (Indirectly by supporting the organization.)

Timely too, just in time to provide a distraction from the self serving, dangerous giveaway Obama just handed Iran.

What is so troubling is that there are some people who actually believe this piece of fiction.

We need to wake up and realize how insidious and extensive George Soros' misinformation services are..we are being lied to on a vast scale.

I see evidence that these misinformation groups are effective by what some people write in these political forums. (Earlier in my life I would have never believed there were this many people unable to think for themselves).
1oldgeezer :-(
Don Overton, br What a fanciful tale, Wonder how m... (show quote)


They want others to do everything else for them; why shouldn't thinking be included?

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Nov 29, 2013 15:21:44   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Wait, I thought it was communists? I really wish you knuckle heads would get together and pick one, just one, and then stick to FACTS, not emotional ramblings like " horrible, terrible ". Adjectives do not turn rhetoric into fact.


Phase One: Socialism, Phase Two: Communism according to the Communist Manifesto of Carl Marx. Terms have been used interchangeably for a long time now. No one has ever been able to maintain a pure communism ( although the early Christian church tried a form of it successfully for a little while. Then came Annanias and Sapphira ) because for it to be successful human nature - grasping, selfish and ambitious - would have to do a complete 180.

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