lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Regardless of the "internet", it did not molest children for years on end and then have it hidden or left unattended to for as long..The "Church" did know about it and took no affirmative action other than to move those involved to another location...
Take it from the history of its origin through any number of proven facts that many, many children beholden to Gods place were physically and physiologically abuse, period..Nothing takes that away, nothing..It was and is a despicable act, period..

I point referenced you to an article with plenty of learning information about just how the church was not handling anything..

Are you denying the things recited any number of times by many is an untruth?? Misleading falsification?? Really??

The church has admitted the acts and were, well before it got so out of hand they could no longer conceal it, "paying off to keep children and parent quiet...

"SÃO PAULO, Brazil — After an internal investigation, the Vatican found the Rev. Fernando Karadima guilty of sexually abusing minors in Chile and ordered him to retire to a “life of prayer and penitence,” the archbishop of Santiago said Friday.

The ruling, announced by the archbishop, Ricardo Ezzati, said that Father Karadima, 80, would be relocated to a place where he would have no contact with his former parishioners or “persons that have been spiritually guided by him.”

The accusations by former parishioners against Father Karadima last year stunned Chile, a conservative and predominantly Roman Catholic nation unaccustomed to questioning its priests, especially one as revered as Father Karadima. He had trained five bishops and dozens of priests, acting as a spiritual leader and father figure for young men who later accused him of molesting them..."

This was supplied to you in my post...Some punishment this priest got for his hideous acts, don't you agree?? The church pays the parents off and the priest is relocated..You call that justice served for the marring of that childs' innocence and what he will live with all his life???

Do I know how many got rich using Jesus as their way to people?? No, not all of them, but certainly many..It is big business after all...I do know the Catholic Church has some 8 billion dollars in banks and own property all over he world, and have ridiculously ostentatious displays in the Vatican that clearly show its flaunting of significant art, marble floors, gold faceted bathroom handles.. Are you denying they do make a healthy living off their collections..8 billion is nothing to sneeze yet..So for them to have spent a couple million to work towards correcting the err's of the past , after years of cover up with 2 more reported 2014, while commendable that they are now taking action, they should have many years ago...You don't break bad habits over night and now at least fear that the Vatican will slap them on the hand, suspend or remove as is dictated by the facts and yet none have gone to jail because the church is handling it...Buy off in other words...

Here's another to read...May help you understand the worth of your Church...That is ~what is recorded and does not include all that fabulous ancient art they hold possession or the jewels they have accumulated over the many years or the artifacts they will not share with the public or the notes and transcripts of other writings about the bible etc..

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/24/news/pope-francis-visit-vatican-catholic-church/

The Vatican Bank has $8 billion in assets
The Vatican Bank, which has about $8 billion in assets, has often been at the center of scandal and corruption since it was founded in 1942. Pope Benedict began the process of cleaning the bank up, and Francis has continued that work.
Vatican Bank accounts are only supposed to be held by residents of Vatican City and church personnel. But according to Gerald Posner, a Vatican bank scholar and the author of "God's Bankers," these accounts were often awarded to powerful Italian officials looking to stash money without paying taxes.
The bank closed over 4,000 accounts to weed out corruption and currently has a total of 33,400 accounts.
The bank, formally known as the Institute of Works of Religion, has made progress, but still has a long way to go in becoming more transparent.
2. The Vatican had over €1.1 billion off its balance sheet
The Vatican is a separate entity from the Vatican bank, and underwent its own clean up last year.
When it released its 2014 financial statements in July, the Vatican said it had more than €1.1 billion ($1.2 billion) in assets that weren't previously on the balance sheet.
The Vatican has two main entities. The Holy See, which governs the Catholic Church and the Vatican City State, which governs Vatican City.
The Holy See reported a deficit of €25.6 million ($27.9 million) in 2014, even though it received over €50 million from the Vatican Bank. Its biggest expense last year was paying its 2,880 employees a total of €126.6 million.
The Vatican City State is responsible for running the Vatican Museums and in 2014 had a surplus of €63.5 million -- nearly double what it was the year before.
3. The Sistine Chapel is for rent - kind of
In October 2014, the Sistine Chapel was rented out for the first time to the automaker Porsche.
Forty Porsche fans paid $5,900 to attend a gala under Michelangelo's famed painted ceiling as part of Pope Francis' Art for Charity project.
Whereas the average visitor is permitted only a short stay in the chapel, for fear of damage to the frescoes, the Porsche guests were treated to a private choral concert and a dinner in the exhibit.
Although money did change hands, the Vatican still contends it isn't renting out the chapel.

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Yet more scandal, terrible isn't it...

I agree with you, let God handle the judgement if those whom are of false standings and deal with them as he will....

Little Ball of Hate

Yes. I do understand. Why do Catholics pray to Mary? They actually bow to her statue. I've seen this many times. This is not Biblical. If it's not Biblical, it's a tradition of man, and not of God. Therefore, it is of the Devil. This video is 30 minutes long, but I urge you to watch. It portrays what The Catholic Church teaches, with references, and what the Bible actually teaches. You are being deceived. I know it's hard to admit. You should question your faith. Do not adhere to the teachings of man. The Bible is the only source of truth. Ignore it at your own peril.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--tDikA22iw&ebc=ANyPxKr5mMFtAcXCBXulnyvrh7ZQQ91FhrZgnVPLOA6zUHEsKwHMvzYlzWwD4c4A6NYBCr6pUiyAcqhy3FAMKsj-gyRiXk-Vfw

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Why do they "celebrate celibacy?? Is it natural? They marry others and recognize it, but not for themselves??

Many other pastors, ministers etc marry and live normal lives and the issue of sexual molestation does not erupt in those denominations...

Maybe the Catholic Church should recognize the right of marriage and LOVE as God does instead?????

Paul’s basic concern is that to be married is to be distracted from the spiritual:

The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband (1 Cor. 7:32-34).

Though he is concerned about that division of heart, Paul denies that marriage is a sin. He merely insists that it is a lesser state in life than consecrated celibacy: “So that he who marries his betrothed does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better” (1 Cor. 7:3
Paul gets this thinking neither from the Dark Ages nor as the result of repression but from a consecrated virgin named Jesus of Nazareth. He, like Paul, was unmarried and commended consecrated celibacy as a gift of God. That’s what he’s getting at in this incident from Matthew 19:9-12:

“And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery; and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”

Note how similar Paul’s thinking is to Jesus’. Marriage is a good thing but a difficult thing, to the degree that, when Jesus describes what Christian marriage really entails, the apostles blanch and declare it is not expedient to marry. The summary of this passage: Not everyone can choose to be celibate, but those who can should, for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. It’s exactly the same admonition as in 1 Corinthians: Marriage is good, but celibacy is better???????????

jetson

That is what all you Catholics say, when they are in denial of the truth. But, Jesus Christ called the deceivers a bunch of snakes. So did John the Baptist. Like Paul said, I told you the truth. If you don't believe it, it does not matter to me. It will be you alone, standing before Jesus Christ one day.

Radiance3

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Well, I am astounded by your loaded accusations and here are my proposals. If people are really sincere for fixing things as they see fit, then the best way is reminding again the Holy See, that these wrongs need to be corrected. It must be brought to their attention, instead of putting up malicious destructions without the other party knowing it. That way, they will have the chance to see it and provide reasons for the failures. Then solutions must be brought up if credible sources came up. I believe that if those accusers come up and present their case, the Vatican will have no choice but to provide solutions. If those accusations are true, it must be corrected. But bring them on. Let the other party see them. Not to others who would not care but to destroy to promote their own self-interests.

But I have no authoritative power to fix those things. I am just faithful follower of God’s command so that at least I obey Him, though I am not perfect. I make mistakes.
I think if problems are true, there are still gay people involved in this huge and very complex situation, and must be corrected. I am not saying that I believe on all of them but, if true, then they have to be brought up for the sake of the innocent.

The Church itself has Godly and sincere intention for the glory of God. Within the church, there are certain people who do wrong, that destroy the image of the church. By Holy Scriptures, the church has holy purposes of its intentions to serve the Lord and His people. But within, there are people who were able to get in, and destroying the very purpose of serving God. Those things need to be corrected and cleaned up.

The Catholic Church in the US and all over the world has about 2.2 billion population. The Catholic Church also has the biggest humanitarian and charitable giving and services in the United States, as well as all over the world. Charities and services are provided to those who needed most. In addition, the Catholic Church provides the best education to those who've attended its teachings from kindergarten to college, through graduate degree programs. Kids in Catholic schools have learned much and better prepared to face life's challenges both in the academics and moral standings. All Catholic colleges and universities have achieved and have put out the best education on kids and young adults in academics and building up high moral standards. Ask those who’ve attended Catholic schools.
Catholic hospitals have provided the best health benefits and medical care on various hospitals in the United States and in other countries also.

Globally, the Catholic Church is the number one charitable organization that alleviates the sufferings of the poorest of the poor. It has spent billions of dollars and thousands of manpower worldwide providing aids and comforts to other countries and even to Muslim countries if possible. Facts are thousands of priests, nuns, and lay ministers are working globally serving those very poor and suffering people all over the world. Many of them who served are even killed by some Muslims, the very people they've served. Because Jesus said: Matthew 25:45: “if you do this to the least of my brothers and sisters, you do it for me.”

These Catholics sent worldwide provide food, build water supplies, medicine and medical care, build schools for their children, taught them how to do productive agriculture for their food supplies.

So, as I've said, those people who are negatively affected by the people running the church as what you’ve reported must present these issues to the proper authoritative officials to make it right, rather than writing and destroying whole good intentions, and the every sacrifices and benefits that the Church has done to the suffering people of the world.

Fact is, it those problems are true, then I want them corrected, and those people involved in destroying the very purpose of the church must be punished and removed.

No person is perfect, but perhaps if the motives of those claiming all the ills of some peoples in the church have sincere intentions, it could provide solutions by presenting to the Pope their complaints. I think if many do that, then those things will be corrected when the Pope really is made aware of.

As for me, I’d clean up my closet first, before checking those of others. Why? I don't want to smell the stinks and hypocrisies of their lives. They think, they live without blemish and are the only ones to enter heaven. But I won't judge that because only God could make that decision. The Catholics prays for all children of God, and not destroy it. The church is good, but there are certain people who made it bad. They need to be removed and punished.

jetson

I'll admit. I hate the Catholic church(I even refused to capitalize the C in church, because it is no true Church). Where in the Bible(even in the Catholic bible) is there a place called purgatory, where does it speak of buying your sins away, Mary is divine, or Mary has risen and sitting on the other side of the Father, and hundreds of other crappy things they have added on. Do you need more. If you do I will give you many more. This church is an admonition to God. The blind lead blind

Radiance3

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I see no relevance of my wasting time with you jetson. I hope your journey will end up to Him. May peace be with you!

Radiance3

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Jetson, I hope you enter heaven. Good luck in your journey to Him. May peace be with you, and may God bless you!

Radiance3

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Well, join Satan and travel with him. There you will find joy when you enter his place. I hope the true God of love will rescue you! May God bless and keep you!

Big Bass

The anti-Christ has spoken. You like to help the naughty priests molest little children.

Big Bass

Anti-Christ, are you off to see your favorite little-boy-diddling priest?

Radiance3

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Well joining your pastors to make more money is a lucrative business. Jesus is the merchandise without limits.
Good luck to all you righteous hypocrites. Big Bass may God bless you!

Big Bass

Hey, don't listen to "radiance." I'm a believer in a greater God. God created man, but man then turned religion around to make money and have control, and for other nefarious purposes. I believe allah = satan, due to the teachings of mohammed. To hear radiance spout out his hatred of me without knowing anything about me is about as un-Christian as you can get - like a muslim. Anyway, he is a hypocritical fraud.

Big Bass

I thought you had gone away. BTW: you are still judging. That's God's prerogative. Do you think you are God, now?

Radiance3

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Jetson, I don't hate you. Why did you say that? I hope and pray that your journey here on earth will reach the Lord so that He could let you know whether you enter or not. May you have peace on your journey!