MarvinSussman

Illiterate fool! Learn how to read!

I did not write that the oceans are rising.

I predicted that the oceans shall rise.

Nyah, nyah!

Little Ball of Hate

Same thing, you moron. If you make a prediction, you are saying it will happen. I asked you to prove it. And WHEN will this happen?

Artemis

Well they did predict the melting of the Arctic sea ice, looks to be dead on, on that.

Observation with satellites show that Arctic sea ice area, extent, and volume have been in decline for a few decades. Sometime during the 21st century, sea ice may effectively cease to exist during the summer. Sea ice extent is defined as the area with at least 15% ice cover. The amount of multi-year sea ice in the Arctic has declined considerably in recent decades. In 1988, ice that was at least 4 years old accounted for 26% of the Arctic's sea ice. By 2013, ice that age was only 7% of all Arctic sea ice.

Little Ball of Hate

I believe that one of those predictions was that the ice caps would be gone by now, and New York City would be under water. Also, remember that we are coming out of a mini ice age. So the ice caps are simply returning to what they were like before the ice age. Do you know what the average ice caps looked like, over the last several thousand years? Does anyone? Keep in mind that Iceland used to have a thriving agriculture. Many farms and ranches. That means there was less ice and the climate was warmer.

MarvinSussman

Illiterate fool!

First, I predicted that the oceans SHALL rise.

Then, you asked me to prove that the oceans ARE rising.

Now, you ask me to prove that it WILL rise.

If I could prove a future event, it would not be a prediction. It would be a certainty.

Borrow a dictionary!
Learn how to think!

Little Ball of Hate

Whatever. I was simply trying to talk in a way that you would understand. Stupid is a difficult language to learn, although it comes naturally to liberals. Maybe I can find a translator to translate what I say into stupidese. Then, maybe you'll understand.

MarvinSussman

I understand you OK. You have a closed mind and love it that way. It is still a fact that every summer is hotter than the previous summer. And you can't ignore that fact forever.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Another point of view on that Artic Ice I recently read about for another thread as well~~Be sure to click on the red hi-lites for sub sites giving more about the changes taking place...Rather informative...

"From the science-is-never-settled department, a new study utilizing satellite technology measures Antarctica's albedo. It is found to be increasing overall, thus increasing the solar radiation reflected back into space. Ergo, there be climate cooling forces at work despite record atmospheric levels of CO2."

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/05/arctic-sea-ice-a-whole-lot-more-stable-than-scientists-al-gore-predicted/


Despite dire predictions that the North Pole would be ice-free in the near future, Arctic Sea ice levels have been more stable than scientists predicted.

So far this winter, Arctic Sea ice levels are above where they were at the same time last winter and are well within the the standard deviation of the 1981 to 2010 variation, according to daily sea ice data.

Europe’s CryoSat-2 satellite found that sea-ice volumes for the fall of 2014 were above the average extent for the last five years. Sea-ice levels were up sharply from 2011 and 2012, according to the satellite– only slightly lower than 2013 levels.


Despite dire predictions that the North Pole would be ice-free in the near future, Arctic Sea ice levels have been more stable than scientists predicted.

So far this winter, Arctic Sea ice levels are above where they were at the same time last winter and are well within the the standard deviation of the 1981 to 2010 variation, according to daily sea ice data.

Europe’s CryoSat-2 satellite found that sea-ice volumes for the fall of 2014 were above the average extent for the last five years. Sea-ice levels were up sharply from 2011 and 2012, according to the satellite– only slightly lower than 2013 levels.


In 2013, CryoSat-2 found that Arctic sea ice levels increased 50 percent at the end of the region’s melting season. Arctic sea-ice coverage reached 2,100 cubic miles by that time, up from 1,400 cubic miles during the same time in 2012.

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“The Antarctic is actually growing and all the evidence in the last few months suggests many assumptions about the poles was wrong,” Dr. Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Forum, told the U.K. Express.

“Global sea ice is at a record high, another key indicator that something is working in the opposite direction of what was predicted,” Peiser said. “Most people think the poles are melting… they’re not. This is a huge inconvenience that reality is now catching up with climate alarmists, who were predicting that the poles would be melting fairly soon.”

It was not too long ago that climate scientists and environmental activists were predicting the Arctic would be ice-free by now.

Former Vice President Al Gore famously claimed in 2008 that the North Pole would be completely ice-free by 2013– a prediction that has been proven wildly inaccurate.


“Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore said in 2008.

Gore echoed a 2007 claim made by climate scientist Wieslaw Maslowski, who said that “you can argue that maybe our projection of [an ice-free Arctic by 2013] is already too conservative.”

But even as the Arctic defies predictions of its demise, U.S. officials are still saying the region could be ice-free in the next couple of years.

Environmentalists at the Center for Biological Diversity warned the Arctic could be ice-free as soon as 2012. It wasn’t. Now, the group says that “climate scientists say the Arctic could be completely ice-free in the summer by the 2030s.”

Scientists also argue that future global temperature rises will continue to shrink the Arctic until it is ice-free, maybe even in our lifetimes.

“We have not seen an ice free period in the Arctic Ocean for 2.6 million years,” said Jochen Knies a marine geologist with the Geological Survey of Norway who recently authored a study on the issue. “However, we may see it in our lifetime.”

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

And one more~~

http://www.c3headlines.com/arcticgreenlandantarcticglacierssea-ice/

FactCheck: Global Warming Pause Started In Antarctica First & Continues Confirms NASA

Antarctica peninsula warming pause 052215Article: NASA temperature records for Antarctica peninsula show no real warming since the late 1980s - a 'pause' that predates the global one, despite record levels of atmospheric CO2.

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Those Stubborn Facts: Global Sea Ice Not Melting - Since 2000, Another Inconvenient Climate Change Pause

That catastrophic anthropogenic "global warming" from CO2 just does not want to play by the IPCC agenda rules ... the predicted "for sure" global sea ice melting has taken a hiatus since the turn of the century ... this very inconvenient pause (stall?) will soon reach a full 15 years ... not a single IPCC climate model or "expert" predicted this outcome ... and just as a reminder, they can't predict 'squat'.....
Global sea ice anomaly 15 years may2015
(click on chart to enlarge)
It's another day and another stubborn climate fact: global sea ice is not melting as expected by the experts.

This chart, per the U.S. government's funded NSIDC's dataset, clearly documents the global melting pause.

Unexpectedly for the IPCC and associates, the trend is flat, despite the greatest growth in human CO2 emissions ever recorded.

At this point, it would be safe to say that the empirical evidence confirms that past hysterical projections of a global sea ice meltdown by global warming alarmists were without true scientific merit, due to being based on an untested and weak hypothesis that humans would cause catastrophic climate change.

Damn those stubborn facts!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Is it?? Depends on where you're talking about doesn't it??

Global warming pertains to the whole planet right??

rebob14

Where's the moon?

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Sorry, but this one is humorous and thought it would be fun to laugh rather than get testy~~~~We all remember this one I'm sure~~ :lol: :lol:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/rescue-effort-for-trapped-antarctic-voyage-disrupts-serious-science/?_r=0

Early this morning, I received an e-mail message from one of many polar scientists whose important and costly field research in Antarctica has been seriously disrupted by the diversion of icebreakers to try to evacuate the journalists, tourists, crew and scientists on an unessential “expedition” aboard a chartered Russian ship.

You can read the note — from Joe McConnell, an American ice-sheet researcher I met in 2004 in Greenland — after a summary of the situation.

Of course the evacuation of the trapped ship, which will require helicopters given the impassible nature of the thick sea ice in the area, is vital. But when you consider the cost and risk attending the operation, and the impact on other science, this raises questions about the advisability of this voyage in the first place.

If you follow the discussion around #SpiritOfMawson — the Twitter hashtag for the project — you’ll also note how this misadventure has energized climate change contrarians, offering a distraction from serious research on the impact of climate change on Antarctica.

The Spirit of Mawson expedition — a mashup of adventure travel, media event and science — was billed this way by organizers:

The Australasian Antarctic Expedition will truly meld science and adventure, repeating century old measurements to discover and communicate the changes taking place in this remote and pristine environment.

On the website, the planners included a long justification of the trip on the basis of the science that would be undertaken. The prime goal was a fresh assessment of ice, ocean and ecological conditions on the stretch of Antarctic coast south of Australia and New Zealand a century after an arduous expedition led by Sir Douglas Mawson did the same. In 2012, Smithsonian ran a great piece on that effort, “The Most Terrible Polar Exploration Ever: Douglas Mawson’s Antarctic Journey.”

The leaders of the current expedition — Chris Turney, Chris Fogwill and Greg Mortimer — are seasoned field scientists. But the bungled trip now threatens to tarnish the wider field of Antarctic science. Particularly vexing is what seems to be a devil-may-care attitude expressed by some of those on the trapped ship.

This was on display in a New Year’s Eve singalong posted on YouTube, but more so in a Christmas Day comment by the expedition’s marine ecologist Tracy Rogers, quoted by the BBC:

“It’s fantastic – I love it when the ice wins and we don’t,” said expedition marine ecologist Tracy Rogers. “It reminds you that as humans, we don’t control everything and that the natural world – it’s the winner here. We’ve got several penguins watching us, thinking ‘what the hell are you doing stuck in our ice?’. The sky is a beautiful grey – it looks like it wants to have a bit of a snow. It’s the perfect Christmas, really.”

Consider that attitude in the context of the note from Joe McConnell (with some tiny edits of email shorthand and contextual links):

Greetings from Casey Station on the East Antarctic coast. I’ve just returned from the deep field site at Aurora Basin where the Australians are drilling a new 400-meter ice core which we will analyze in my lab in Reno.

I’m writing with regards to the rescue effort for that tourist ship stuck in the ice near Commonwealth Bay and the enormous impact of the rescue effort on Antarctic science programs. The Australian ice breaker Aurora Australis was here at Casey in the process of unloading the coming year’s supplies for the station, as well as a number of researchers and their science gear for this summer’s activities, when the emergency response request was issued. The Australians shut down the unloading very quickly and left within a few hours after the request arrived but only about a third of the resupply was completed and a lot of that science gear was still on board. Before they left they at least were able to get the passengers including six Aurora Basin researchers off the ship. Otherwise I’d still be at Aurora Basin and would have had to stay to the end of January since my field replacement was in that group.

The short- and long-term impacts on the Australian science program are pronounced as you can imagine and I understand it is the same for both the Chinese and French programs since their icebreakers were diverted, too. I’ll be sitting down to New Year’s Eve dinner in a few minutes with a number of Australian researchers including the director of the Australian Antarctic Division Tony Fleming – many of these guys can’t complete the research they’ve been planning for years because some or all of their science gear still is on the Aurora.

I’ve done my share of polar reporting — all in the Arctic. I’ve even posted video of singing on sea ice. But I was always reporting on trips in which every step was assessed for safety and significance by the agency paying for the research, the National Science Foundation.

I’m sure the organizers of the Spirit of Mawson trip were as careful as they could be, but was the trip important enough to justify the cost that is now mounting? I doubt it.

I encourage you to read this opinion piece by the University of Hartford historian Michael Robinson on the National Geographic website for more: “Ship Stuck in Antarctica Raises Questions About Worth of Reenacting Expeditions.”

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

In the sky of course, ya nut~~~ :lol: :lol:

Artemis

Quote: ~We have not seen an ice free period in the Arctic Ocean for 2.6 million years,” said Jochen Knies a marine geologist with the Geological Survey of Norway who recently authored a study on the issue. “However, we may see it in our lifetime.”

This is very indicative of how quickly and abnormally the ice is melting. Annual ice is superficial and changes year by year which is undeniably effected by other geological conditions and universal factors. This cooling period we may be presently experiencing just may be a gift, a gift of time to turn down our man made emissions output, before a another natural warming cycle flares up again and we will really be in HOT water.

Little Ball of Hate

As I mentioned earlier, Iceland used to have widespread agriculture. Do you know that means? It means that the earth was a lot warmer than it is now. Global warming is actually global rewarming. Temperatures are returning to where they are supposed to be. Warm is good. Ever hear about the year without a Summer? It was so cold, people could not grow crops in the summer time. Millions of people starved. This was hundreds of years ago. If the same thing happened today, billions would die. Is that what you want? Warm is good.