Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

I think that they documented the existence of Jesus very well by having him crucified.

Singularity

Getting crucified in Rome in the first century was not a unique event. Happened almost as often as we in the USA get a traffic ticket!

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

You are quite right, but the Priests had him crucified for not believing as they did in that time.

Singularity

That, blasphemy, was one of the more common charges. Under both Roman and Mosaic law, death sentences were pretty popular.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

You are right again. Hope to hear from you an another topic.

Gener

This is a great point. Science doesn't really know anything. They only have a bunch of theories, which are constantly being proven wrong, then they come up with another one, which is eventually proven wrong. It is nothing but foolishness to believe everything science tells us. One hundred and fifty years ago science did not know anything about quantum physics. Did that mean it did not exist? Of course not. So a typical argument would be, you can't believe in quantum physics because it hasn't been discovered yet. Can you really not see the lack of logic in that statement? We can't go by science as a rule, but when they tell us that nothing can exist without consciousness, maybe then we should listen. Does it mean that is the final answer? No. But it certainly is on the way.

As far as the fundamentalist Christians go, they need to understand that it is not a matter of the actual existence of Jesus, but a matter of the message that has been given. Christianity as we know it today is filtered through the Roman Catholic Church and is therefore, by definition, a lie. But that doesn't mean it isn't true at the same time. It is the message that matters, not the person.

The Hebrew Torah is written in scientific code. That is a fact, it is indisputable, but few people know that, and few people have a very deep understanding of it. But it is not the kind of science we have today. It is a different kind of science, and in many ways is far more advanced than what we know today. Now, that being said, the shadow government of the U.S. and the world as a whole has a higher level of science than what the public is told about, and they are about to use it to attempt to rule the world. A lot of this comes from the work of Tesla, who was murdered, called a nutcase, and his work supposedly burned, (but not really, both U.S. and Russian scientists use his papers extensively in secret.) There is a good reason why a science text would be veiled. Atom bombs are no fun, but they are child's play compared to what is possible.

It is a truism that the construction of the great pyramid cannot be accomplished today. (Actually it could with Nicola Tesla sound technology, but that is secret) We think we are the most advanced but we are not. Furthermore, the science hierarchy purposely lies to the general public. There are two reasons why we do not see evidence of this, the first is that even what would have survived is a different kind of science and not concerned with the building of skyscrapers or other modern marvels. The science was so advanced that batteries and things we would recognize today are not needed. The second reason is, that most of the evidence of the ancient world was washed away in the great flood, which happens approximately every twelve thousand five hundred years. And mankind has to start over. (By the way, it is about 12500 years since the last flood, if that tells you anything.) There is nothing more dangerous than primitive hominids with a high degree of science. The damage to the planet can be enormous. We will not be allowed to have it until we have matured, which is a ways away.

This is not a matter of faith versus science. It is a matter of understanding things that have been kept secret. Both faith and science are wrong. We are an illusion, but we are a "real" illusion. That means we experience the (illusion) of pain. We experience the (illusion) of reincarnations. We experience the (illusion) of birth and death. We experience the illusion of time. Time does not exist either. But even though we are an illusion, for us we are real. Therefore we do feel pain. And if we give pain to anyone else, sooner or later we will feel that pain ourselves, for the illusion demands that it be so. Karma.

"Work out your own salvation (karma) with fear and trembling. For it is God (universal consciousness that operates in everything, and creates the illusion) that worketh within you..."

Singularity

Thanks for the memories. Bye.

PeterS

So true, Newton comes up with the notion of gravity and then along comes Einstein and turns Newton on his head. Makes you wonder why we even try huh. And personally I have always had a hard time believing in things that haven't been discovered yet. Just a quirk of my personality I suppose but it's true none the less...

susanblange Loc: USA

Jesus planned his own death by crucifixion because he thought it would fulfill scripture. He said, "Take up your cross and follow me". The OT calls it "the deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10. Job 16, Psalm 22, and Psalm 69 describe a unique event that would happen in the Messiah's childhood perpetrated by Adam reincarnated (Satan) and he will in turn be tortured and executed for it. Job 20:25, Isaiah 27:1. "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent..." The serpent is part of his anatomy and he's a sex offender. The "crucifixion" was an act of medical neglect and sexual assault and torture.

Gener

I think singularity is gone, Susan. I think she got fed up with at least me if not all of us. But who knows?

Little Ball of Hate

Getting back on topic, if you discovered a bunch of objects, one on top of the other, and all of them were balanced in such a way that they were stable, What would any rational person think? Someone made that. There is no way that nature could create such a structure. It is obvious that someone made it.

In the same way, there are dozens of finely balanced physical constants. These constants are responsible for life, as well as the existence of the universe itself. If any of these dozens of constants were off by a very small fraction of a percentage, the universe would not exist.

Now, what is a rational person supposed to think? That it's all the result of chance, or that it was designed that way? Anyone who is intellectually honest with themselves would have to believe the latter. No other explanation makes sense. Some would call this an argument of the gaps. Just because science can't explain it, Gawd did it.

I submit that the opposite is true. It's the science of the gaps. Science can't explain it, but that doesn't mean there's a God. Same argument in reverse.

Gener

The idea that it happened by chance is ludicrous. It is not possible. It is absolutely not possible. If I could think of a stronger word than ludicrous I would use it, and even a stronger word if that existed. Or even a stronger. So to criticize Christians for living by faith is the highest absurdity. It is not even possible to talk to people like that because they actually think they are being rational. They are not. Not in the least.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Amen brother :thumbup:

PeterS

My goodness, our little furry ball of hate hits a three pointer!

PeterS

And why is something not possible to happen by chance? You seem to be playing disconnects here--has someone criticized Christians for having faith? My criticism would be that too few have faith--most are just gun totting hypocrites, IMHO of course...