Atheist Physicists Prove God. Anthropic Principle Fails (Page 13): His tomb is empty. That's enough evidence for me. Unless you can produce His corpse.

Little Ball of Hate

PeterS wrote:

Is 'God did it' supposed to be an explanation of h... (show quote)

His tomb is empty. That's enough evidence for me. Unless you can produce His corpse.

rebob14

Gener wrote:

Actually, Peter, you DON'T know that. You assume it is there because you see it out there. But who is it that is actually seeing it?

Remember, quantum physics PROVES that no particle of any kind can exist without an observer. Who is that observer? The physical world is an illusion. You just think you see it. You think it is there because you see it out there. But the fact is, it isn't there, and neither are you or I or anyone else. We are all an illusion created by consciousness.

I'll try to remind my nerve endings about that next time I am injured.

Ricktloml

Little Ball of Hate wrote:

But scientists haven't got a clue how or why the universe exists. This is a fact. We also have a historical record, in the Bible. Jesus existed. This is a fact. He claimed to be the Son of God. This is supported by evidence. The Apostle Paul has also been proven to be a historical figure. He had much to write about Jesus, salvation, and many other things. He was a contemporary of the other Apostles, who also wrote about Jesus.

PennyLynn did an extensive history of anti Christian history that proves Jesus did exist as an historical figure and though there was a concerted effort to disprove His resurrection it couldn't be done.

Little Ball of Hate

Ricktloml wrote:

PennyLynn did an extensive history of anti Christian history that proves Jesus did exist as an historical figure and though there was a concerted effort to disprove His resurrection it couldn't be done.

Speaking of which, have you seen that new movie "Risen" yet? I really don't know anything about it. Haven't seen any reviews, or anything.

PeterS

Gener wrote:

Actually, Peter, you DON'T know that. You assume it is there because you see it out there. But who is it that is actually seeing it?

Remember, quantum physics PROVES that no particle of any kind can exist without an observer. Who is that observer? The physical world is an illusion. You just think you see it. You think it is there because you see it out there. But the fact is, it isn't there, and neither are you or I or anyone else. We are all an illusion created by consciousness.

If we are here to observe the physical world how can it be an illusion? And where is has it been established that we are a creation of consciousness? How can consciousness exist without the physical construct (life) to maintain it? And I thought it was the behavior (wave or partial) that was determined by the observer not the existence of a partial itself?

I think you are playing connect the dot with dots that aren't there...

PeterS

Ricktloml wrote:

PennyLynn did an extensive history of anti Christian history that proves Jesus did exist as an historical figure and though there was a concerted effort to disprove His resurrection it couldn't be done.

So because it couldn't be proven that Christ wasn't resurrected the conclusion is that he was? Explain how that is a proof...

Singularity

PeterS wrote:

So because it couldn't be proven that Christ wasn't resurrected the conclusion is that he was? Explain how that is a proof...

I have a certificate of live birth.
I cant prove I wasn't resurrected. Am I ipso facto a goddess?

Oh, oh, OH! MY TOMB IS EMPTY TOO!

PeterS

Little Ball of Hate wrote:

His tomb is empty. That's enough evidence for me. Unless you can produce His corpse.

Hey, if you need a corpse I'm sure I can dig one up. You are using 'hearsay' evidence as a proof. It isn't. If, however, hearsay is all you need to believe that is perfectly fine with me. Just don't go running around claiming that the bible is proof that Christ is god. It isn't, not even close...

Singularity

Ricktloml wrote:

PennyLynn did an extensive history of anti Christian history that proves Jesus did exist as an historical figure and though there was a concerted effort to disprove His resurrection it couldn't be done.

I am not in anyway impuning her research or conclusions.

But I am asking if you personally reviewed her work, methods and results in order to verify it, or are you just repeating gossip?

PeterS

Singularity wrote:

I have a certificate of live birth.
I cant prove I wasn't resurrected. Am I ipso facto a goddess?

Oh, oh, OH! MY TOMB IS EMPTY TOO!

I knew there was a reason I worshiped you. Myself, I can't find my birth certificate therefore I'm not even here...

Singularity

And for fuck's sake, learn a little bit about the workings of logic!

Singularity

PeterS wrote:

I knew there was a reason I worshiped you. Myself, I can't find my birth certificate therefore I'm not even here...

But PeterS, I feel you in my heart!

PeterS

Singularity wrote:

And for fuck's sake, learn a little bit about the workings of logic!

Very nice, I think I'll save this one...

PeterS

Singularity wrote:

But PeterS, I feel you in my heart!

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lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

PeterS wrote:

Faith in science comes from the ability to prove truth through scientific method. Faith in god is required because there is no rational proof for god. One is seeing two five dollar bills in someones hand and knowing there is 10 dollars and the other is having faith that the money held in someones hand is 10 dollars even though you can't actually see it.

As for secular humanism being a religion what is it that is worshiped?

We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology, including them..Conclusive, inconclusive findings, always changing as more is investigated..It is also man made "conception" and only as good as the information fed in to develope the hypothesis one way or the other...It is not definitive or absolute...

Just like the search for God for some..Mine is conclusive as it starts with my heart, soul and mind and that is all I need...

"Science never solves a problem without creating ten more".
George Bernard Shaw