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Nov 25, 2013 16:51:58   #
faithistheword
 
Art wrote:
Lots of information out there saying that its "one OR both parents"...... need only one parent born in the U.S. for a child to become a U.S. Citizen. John McCain needed only one...as did President Obama.




Why can't all you "non-birthers" get it straight? BOTH PARENTS MUST BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS for him to be eligible!! His father was Kenyan! John McCain's parents (BOTH MOTHER AND FATHER) were natural born American citizens! If your statement that barry's parents were American citizens, you're hinting that his REAL father was Frank Davis--an avowed Communist--does that make him More qualified?? It would make him REALLY illegitimate!

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Nov 25, 2013 16:55:30   #
faithistheword
 
boofhead wrote:
I lived in Asia as a foreigner, with my wife and kids for a lot of that time. In many countries there. I object to you categorizing my advice as opinion or conjecture. I would imagine all you know is what the Obamabots have told you which would mean that before you criticize you should check the facts.

He had Indonesian citizenship because he went to school there and citizenship is a requirement to go to government schools. It is also a requirement to be a muslim although as a child that can be waived so long as the child is receiving a muslim education.
If the father adopted the child it automatically becomes a citizen of Indonesia and if the adoption is not made the child cannot remain in the country. If this did not happen, then where is the documentation showing permanent residence or visitor status? Makes no sense. At about the age of 12 everybody has to have an ID card and citizenship is a requirement. If citizenship is waived (the person is shown as a visitor on a visa and the ID card is a different color) this is documented as well. I cannot imagine how his father could have done this anyway. Certain groups cannot get citizenship, such as aborigines and Chinese, but this did not apply to Obama's family.
Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship and it would be necessary to give up US citizenship in order to live there. However the US does not recognize a declaration renouncing citizenship unless it is made to a US official and if it is made by a parent or guardian or made under duress it can be reversed later. Certain acts are expatriating such as serving in a foreign military but generally the US does not take away US citizenship for a child and there are procedures to get it back.
Google dual citizenship US/Indonesia to learn more.
Also see http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
It is no big deal unless it is being hidden or denied, in which case any person interested in the truth would want to know why.
There is plenty of paperwork somewhere that details what happened and when it happened. It should show that Barack did not lose his US citizenship but what concerns me is that he did lose it and that is why he is hiding this.
We might be lax in our application of immigration rules and laws but I can assure you that this is not true in most other countries, especially in Asia.
These documents are all on file and it is easy to trace. If someone cares to do that. Many of the documents would help to show the President's status at the time and put this whole matter to bed. He, or someone on his staff, could easily do this so the question is why does he not do so? Is he hiding something? From reports, he is spending a lot of our money to keep this stuff quiet and even though he has an army of useful idiots beating his drum for him, somehow and sometime this will come out.
If he had been honest from the get-go we would not be having this discussion.
At the least, I hope we will never allow a future presidential applicant to get away with this again.
I lived in Asia as a foreigner, with my wife and k... (show quote)




I don't know how the non-birthers can argue with your well documented knowledge---but I'm sure they will. Great post. You obviously know what you're talking about!

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Nov 25, 2013 16:57:36   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Another moronic comment from an ill-informed knuckle-dragger! Fact any person born on US soil is a US citizen!


faithistheword wrote:
Why can't all you "non-birthers" get it straight? BOTH PARENTS MUST BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS for him to be eligible!! His father was Kenyan! John McCain's parents (BOTH MOTHER AND FATHER) were natural born American citizens! If your statement that barry's parents were American citizens, you're hinting that his REAL father was Frank Davis--an avowed Communist--does that make him More qualified?? It would make him REALLY illegitimate!

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Nov 25, 2013 17:16:15   #
faithistheword
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Another moronic comment from a Fox News fanatic!




Speaking of Morons--I don't even have cable--hence no Fox News. I don't get my information from TV, Thank You!

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Nov 25, 2013 17:24:03   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
You are a moron for not knowing that any person born on US soil is automatically a US citizen per the 14th Amendment!



faithistheword wrote:
Speaking of Morons--I don't even have cable--hence no Fox News. I don't get my information from TV, Thank You!

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Nov 25, 2013 17:27:45   #
TiredOne
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Then what does the phrase, "...at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." mean?

If it still applied today, then you are saying that ANYONE who is a citizen can be president! You know that's incorrect.


RetNavyCWO is correct... How on earth could this aspect of citizenship requirements still apply today? It was a transitional aspect of founding a new Nation. As it turns out, it never came into play, as all our previous Presidents, even those of colonial times, were indeed actually born on U.S. soil, including the first President, George Washington.

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Nov 25, 2013 17:29:40   #
TiredOne
 
faithistheword wrote:
Why can't all you "non-birthers" get it straight? BOTH PARENTS MUST BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS for him to be eligible!! His father was Kenyan! John McCain's parents (BOTH MOTHER AND FATHER) were natural born American citizens! If your statement that barry's parents were American citizens, you're hinting that his REAL father was Frank Davis--an avowed Communist--does that make him More qualified?? It would make him REALLY illegitimate!


Please cite the source of this assertion... as many others have given links to, this is simply not true...

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Nov 25, 2013 17:38:17   #
TiredOne
 
boofhead wrote:
Just because you believe the "evidence" does not necessarily make it right, the rule of law should be used when determining a matter of citizenship. The laws as they were at the time apply, there have been changes since.
For example, if he was born outside the US his mother was not entitled to pass on her citizenship because she did not have the required US residence at the time. The parent needed at least 10 years residence in the US after the age of 14 and since she was only 18 she could not have had that.
If he was born in the US he lost his citizenship when his adoptive father registered him in Indonesia and he gained Indonesian citizenship because both countries at the time did not recognize dual citizenship. Neither did Kenya and the US. His father probably did not so advise the US authorities at the time and the loss of US citizenship would not have been recorded. In order to get US citizenship back he would have had to apply for it at the age of 18 and that would be on record. Most likely he did not do this but simply applied for a passport and the records were not checked. It is entirely likely that a passport was issued based on the birth certificate without checking for evidence of loss of citizenship.
I know these things because my wife was a US citizen and had children while living in Asia and the hoops she had to jump through were real and difficult to manage. However she wanted to be sure her kids were able to claim US citizenship and she still has the documents for each of them.
Waltzing in and out of citizenship is no easy task. I would be positive that if one of my kids had to prove citizenship the sketchy and suspect details offered by the administration on behalf of the current President would not have been accepted.
It is possible that he is "natural born" but equally possible he is not.
Presentation of accurate and genuine documents would be required for someone to become dog catcher but somehow it is OK for someone who wants to be president to blow it off as "malarky". I would welcome seeing the the "irrefutable and genuine" documents, and am amazed that anyone, Democrat or otherwise, would not consider that an important part of the process for the most powerful job in the world.
Just because you have drunk the Kool-Aid does not make what you believe true, and just because you don't want to have it investigated does not mean it should be dropped. If the administration is prepared to spend millions of dollars to keep it secret that must, by definition if not common sense, make it suspect and worthy of investigation, even if only to put it to bed.
Just because you believe the "evidence" ... (show quote)


Please cite a source of your allegation regarding the 10 year residence requirement after the age of 14 to be able to pass U.S. citizenship to your offspring... This seems entirely illogical... You are saying in effect, no one born outside the U.S. of U.S. citizens is considered a natural born U.S. citizen, unless the parents were over the age of 24 and had been continuous residents the 10 years between their 14th birthday and the time of their child's birth... Really??? Please tell me what law, Act, section of the Constitution or whatever source this came from?

Making some convoluted rambling statements does not make them fact. I'm open to the concept there could be some aspect of law/citizenship requirements that I am not aware of, but please give some supporting evidence your comments are founded on fact, and not just rambling fantasy... there is clearly a 14 year residency requirement for anyone running for the office of President or Vice President... but I've never seen any such residence requirement for parents prior to a child's birth...

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Nov 25, 2013 17:40:17   #
Art
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Actually, it would not have mattered if neither of Obama's parents were U.S. citizens. He was born on American soil, so he is a natural born citizen. It's as simple as that. The parents' citizenship comes into play only if the child is not born on U.S. soil.


Yep I know ;)

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Nov 25, 2013 17:49:11   #
faithistheword
 
Art wrote:
Yep I know ;)




It's not what you know---it's that what you know---is WRONG!!!

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Nov 25, 2013 18:13:10   #
Art
 
faithistheword wrote:
Why can't all you "non-birthers" get it straight? BOTH PARENTS MUST BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS for him to be eligible!! His father was Kenyan! John McCain's parents (BOTH MOTHER AND FATHER) were natural born American citizens! If your statement that barry's parents were American citizens, you're hinting that his REAL father was Frank Davis--an avowed Communist--does that make him More qualified?? It would make him REALLY illegitimate!


I don't recall saying that both President Obama's parents were U.S. Citizens. Your jump in logic that Frank Davis is President Obama's real father truthfully is scary to me. You know like BOOOOOHAHAHAHA scary. Your comment about another father seem to jump from a dark corner at me.

As our logic and source information are different, I'm not surprise we are not going to agree on this. Thats OK.

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Nov 25, 2013 18:17:33   #
Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan
 
Don Overton wrote:
Just gota love the birthers. Crazy beyond belief, liars above all, and anti-American to boot.


I find it incredible you and other detractors have seen actual, certified evidence that casts no doubt to Obama's eligibility to hold the office of the President. If so, I want to see it as well. You may as well add the Democrat Governor of Hawaii who went looking through archives to find those records ostensibly found. You may wish to include of copy of your work to Sheriff Joe Arpaio as he and a legion of investigators have determined the last birth certificate is a fraud. I am sure they will be thrilled to find out you guys have found the real one that has been so elusive!

You mentioned "birthers" - Is that a reference to those Democrats who still doubt John McCain's eligibility to hold office? That's right, Sparky - the Democrats aligned with Hillary said McCain was not a "natural born citizen" because he was born in Panama - to TWO American citizens on a U.S. military installation. Maybe you found Obama's real daddy who was an American citizen? The reason I ask is because Obama, by his own admission, said his father was a Kenyan, not American. Obama admitted he was a DUAL citizen at birth which is not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. Maybe this is all moot because you have undeniable proof he is a natural born citizen which will make laughing stocks of people who don't trust him or the government. There was a time in American history where this type of person was a patriot - of course in those days there wasn't Hollywood or MSNBC.

I don't like to put titles to people, but gullible, blind and naive come to mind. Prove us all wrong - I simply can't wait for the breaking news on television. You will be instantly famous and will be on all the talk show circuits - I can hardly wait to see you people that have made millions of Doubting Thomases look nuttier than fruit cakes at Christmas time.!!!

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Nov 25, 2013 18:23:11   #
bluejacket
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Then what does the phrase, "...at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." mean?

If it still applied today, then you are saying that ANYONE who is a citizen can be president! You know that's incorrect.


other than a naturalized citizen , yes they can become president

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Nov 25, 2013 18:34:46   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
faithistheword wrote:
Why can't all you "non-birthers" get it straight? BOTH PARENTS MUST BE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS for him to be eligible!! His father was Kenyan! John McCain's parents (BOTH MOTHER AND FATHER) were natural born American citizens! If your statement that barry's parents were American citizens, you're hinting that his REAL father was Frank Davis--an avowed Communist--does that make him More qualified?? It would make him REALLY illegitimate!


Say it all you want but be advised don't ever put money on it.

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Nov 25, 2013 18:37:54   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
"Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a conservative, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain


Not-a-RINO wrote:
I find it incredible you and other detractors have seen actual, certified evidence that casts no doubt to Obama's eligibility to hold the office of the President. If so, I want to see it as well. You may as well add the Democrat Governor of Hawaii who went looking through archives to find those records ostensibly found. You may wish to include of copy of your work to Sheriff Joe Arpaio as he and a legion of investigators have determined the last birth certificate is a fraud. I am sure they will be thrilled to find out you guys have found the real one that has been so elusive!

You mentioned "birthers" - Is that a reference to those Democrats who still doubt John McCain's eligibility to hold office? That's right, Sparky - the Democrats aligned with Hillary said McCain was not a "natural born citizen" because he was born in Panama - to TWO American citizens on a U.S. military installation. Maybe you found Obama's real daddy who was an American citizen? The reason I ask is because Obama, by his own admission, said his father was a Kenyan, not American. Obama admitted he was a DUAL citizen at birth which is not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution. Maybe this is all moot because you have undeniable proof he is a natural born citizen which will make laughing stocks of people who don't trust him or the government. There was a time in American history where this type of person was a patriot - of course in those days there wasn't Hollywood or MSNBC.

I don't like to put titles to people, but gullible, blind and naive come to mind. Prove us all wrong - I simply can't wait for the breaking news on television. You will be instantly famous and will be on all the talk show circuits - I can hardly wait to see you people that have made millions of Doubting Thomases look nuttier than fruit cakes at Christmas time.!!!
I find it incredible you and other detractors have... (show quote)

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