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Jan 24, 2016 12:53:16   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
You are welcome.
All Republicans need to beware of Cruz's back ground. Copy and share with all.
The MSM will black this out.
Joe Q Sixpack will never get a clue.

Sons of Liberty wrote:
More people need to see this. I knew I've been right about Cruz all along. Thanks for the post.
:thumbup:

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Jan 24, 2016 13:00:33   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
sisu77 wrote:
Dr. Jerome Corsi's January 22, 2016 WND.

Link?

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Jan 24, 2016 13:09:42   #
Comment Loc: California
 
adennya wrote:
To be clear, Cruz would easily be my choice if he could clear up the cloud of eligibility.

You are wrong, Trump's mother was a naturalized U. S. citizen at the time of his birth.

Our guy Cruz needs to aggressively move to clear up the eligibility question as soon as possible. I think he is trying to evade the issue because he knows he can't meet the requirements of Natural Born Citizen and he is hoping to slide by by avoiding the problem. Big mistake. A lot of potential Cruz voters will not vote for him just because of the constitutional eligibility question hanging over his head. They are the people who firmly and quietly believe that Obama is also ineligible and oppose O on principle. It the principle applies to O, it applies to Cruz.

He can't afford to lose these votes, but he will lose them unless something is done to remove the question soon.

I want to vote for him, but I can't as things stand right now.
To be clear, Cruz would easily be my choice if he ... (show quote)


Obama has a more clouded history and he has been accepted as a valid president. Yet, democrats see Cruz entirely different judging by a different set of rules that they invented. BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jan 24, 2016 13:20:51   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
adennya wrote:
To be clear, Cruz would easily be my choice if he could clear up the cloud of eligibility.

You are wrong, Trump's mother was a naturalized U. S. citizen at the time of his birth.

Our guy Cruz needs to aggressively move to clear up the eligibility question as soon as possible. I think he is trying to evade the issue because he knows he can't meet the requirements of Natural Born Citizen and he is hoping to slide by by avoiding the problem. Big mistake. A lot of potential Cruz voters will not vote for him just because of the constitutional eligibility question hanging over his head. They are the people who firmly and quietly believe that Obama is also ineligible and oppose O on principle. It the principle applies to O, it applies to Cruz.

He can't afford to lose these votes, but he will lose them unless something is done to remove the question soon.

I want to vote for him, but I can't as things stand right now.
To be clear, Cruz would easily be my choice if he ... (show quote)
Cruz DOES meet the criteria for natural born citizenship. Once again:

8 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2011 Edition
Title 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
SUBCHAPTER III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
Part I - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization
Sec. 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
From the U.S. Government Printing Office, www.gpo.gov


ยง1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

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Jan 24, 2016 13:21:46   #
So Suey Mee
 
JMHO wrote:
Right on! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


However, the Founding Fathers are dead and all it takes for Cruz to loose his eligibility to become president is for any one of the establishment guys to raise the question before the court. That leaves the decision left in the hands of 9 political appointees who, as evidenced by prior decisions, rule upon the establishment's whim, and not the intent of the Constitution.

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Jan 24, 2016 13:23:19   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
eagleye13 wrote:
So says you LAP;
Some people actually make an effort to get the facts, digest them, and then come to their own conclusions.
A whole lot there to reflect on.
Who here really wants a true conservative in the White House.
I sure do. But not another fraud.
America can't afford another fraud.

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Please tell me what is not true in this article.
So says you LAP; br Some people actually make an e... (show quote)

How about this for starters:

"If that unlikeable, pompous, Zionist-loving ghoul Ted Cruz isn't enough to make your skin crawl; wait until you meet his busy-body "high-powered" Globalist wife, Heidi Nelson Cruz."

"Zionist-loving ghoul Ted Cruz...."? See what I mean about a silly site?

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Jan 24, 2016 13:35:52   #
adennya Loc: Berthoud, CO
 
The "requirements" ARE in question. That is the point. Cruz needs this cleared up because many voters will pass on him (I will) with this cloud over his head. If he is ineligible, it is for the same reasons that Obama is ineligible.

Cruz cannot afford to lose the votes from people who won't vote for him on principle as long as his eligibility is in question.

I sincerely want to vote for Ted, but will not because I believe he is not eligible. I have paid attention to constitutional scholars, Publius Huldah is among many others who insist that the law basics, such as Vattel, in use at the time of the creation of the U. S. Constitution clearly indicate that "parents" (plural) must be citizens at the time of the birth of the candidate. Further, the implication is that all types of citizenship except "natural born" are endowed by some legal action, but "natural born" is the one other type and exists without legal action. Vattel et al seem to support the definition that the candidate must have been born to TWO parents who were U. S. citizens at the time of his/her birth and he/she must have been born on U. S. soil.

We just disagree on what the term "natural born" means. You may be right in your assessment that one parent is sufficient to qualify the candidate. But, even if one parent is sufficient, Cruz was still born in Canada. I may be wrong, but as long as the question exists I cannot, as a person of principle, vote for my real choice (Cruz) as long as the issue is in question. I hope he takes what ever action necessary to clear it up soon.

I have no hope that the SCOTUS will be any help in this. They probably won't even tackle the issue or will not focus any attention on the "parentS/parent)" problem. They will not take a chance on a ruling that might disqualify Cruz, which would collaterally disqualify Obama for the same reasons, for fear of public reaction. So they will do nothing.

Therefore, I don't see how our guy is going to solve the problem in time for the election. Do you?

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Jan 24, 2016 13:54:32   #
adennya Loc: Berthoud, CO
 
This only defines "citizen", not "natural born citizen". According to "g.", a citizen candidate need only have one citizen parent at the time of his/her birth. That being so, why did they specifically employ the term "natural born citizen" when qualifying a President of the U. S.? All other positions use the term citizen but when talking about the office of president, they used the "natural born" to differentiate the qualifications. The obviously were requiring more than native or naturalized citizenship. So, "natural born citizen" must have been clearly understood at the time or they would not have used it and the did not reckon on our confusion years later. If we use the resources available to us now to decipher their meaning, we must come to the conclusion that they were expecting both parents to be U. S. citizens and to be born on U. S. soil. That is the only difference between Citizen and NBC. Clearly, they recognized the difference.

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Jan 24, 2016 14:02:02   #
sisu77
 
IMHO and LAPhil, in order for Cruz' mother to become a Canadian citizen, she had to give up her American citizenship, probably in her first marriage...She could have given her son "American citizenship at birth" by filing a CRBA in 1970, which she didn't... Cruz may be an American citizen (no proof provided) but definitely not a natural born citizen...There were no dual citizenships in 1970.

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Jan 24, 2016 14:03:32   #
adennya Loc: Berthoud, CO
 
Comment wrote:
Obama has a more clouded history and he has been
accepted as a valid president. Yet, democrats see Cruz entirely different judging by a different set of rules that they invented. BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are absolutely right except that "he has been accepted as a valid president". Not by the people, like me, who are now questioning the eligibility of Ted Cruz. I have never considered Obama an eligible president. Now Cruz has the same stains on his history.

Again, I hate this issue, because Ted would be my clear choice by a mile, but principle is principle. I don't consider Obama constitutionally qualified and Cruz has the same disqualifications. I can't vote for Cruz while ignoring what I believe about Obama. That is called "cognitive dissonance". ;-)

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Jan 24, 2016 14:16:00   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
LAPhil wrote:
How about this for starters:

"If that unlikeable, pompous, Zionist-loving ghoul Ted Cruz isn't enough to make your skin crawl; wait until you meet his busy-body "high-powered" Globalist wife, Heidi Nelson Cruz."

"Zionist-loving ghoul Ted Cruz...."? See what I mean about a silly site?


Kind of rough. "high-powered" Globalist wife"; but it is what it is.

Kind of rough "Zionist-loving ghoul Ted Cruz...."; but pay attention to who tries to put him in the White House. As always; follow the money. Stay tuned.

Lets have some more.

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Jan 24, 2016 14:50:06   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
LAPhil, I'm a zionist and Ted Cruze is the last candidate I would vote for! I am having a problem deciding who should get my vote. There are no Republicans I would vote for, and I really don't like either Bernie or Hillary.
LAPhil wrote:
How about this for starters:

"If that unlikeable, pompous, Zionist-loving ghoul Ted Cruz isn't enough to make your skin crawl; wait until you meet his busy-body "high-powered" Globalist wife, Heidi Nelson Cruz."

"Zionist-loving ghoul Ted Cruz...."? See what I mean about a silly site?

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Jan 24, 2016 15:03:27   #
eden
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Thanks for mentioning that sisu>

From a Texan:

I would never ever vote for Cruz. I explained it before, but when Cruz was Solicitor General for George W. Bush back in the days as part of Bush's legal team when he was Governor of Texas, Cruz went right along with the stance and decision of Bush and his then Attorney General, Dan Morales, that Republic of Texas members had no constitutional rights and were to be persecuted and penalized out of existence and the entire hundreds of thousands of us to be found and sought out and rounded up into jail at a fine of over $10,000 a day and for "contempt" of court when we wouldn't of couldn't pay it. Bush and Morales, and Cruz was right there and mentioned as being involved, released a press release about this from the Governor's and the Attorney General's offices when questioned by reporters and each said and indicated that the First Amendment Right of Freedom of Association didn't apply to Republic of Texas members when they sought the private membership lists of all Republic of Texas/Texas Citizens from the Republic of Texas leadership in the Texas Supreme Court. And they stated their intent was to seek out and find and jail all Republic of Texas members/citizens and basically hound and persecute all of us into jail just for exercising our basic rights of freedom of association and freedom of political beliefs or affiliation to politically separate ourselves from the U.S and become the independent Republic of Texas again, merely because our leaders in the RT filed a multi-trillion dollar lien against state of Texas officials and the U.S. government for numerous fraudulent acts against Texas and its people going back 175 years over the issue. This was their response to try to crush us, and it didn't work, even the Texas State Supreme Court ruled against them. And Ted Cruz was the POS piece of shit taco greaser opportunist scum right there in the press as Solicitor General, supporting and condoning and making statements in support of both Governor George W. Bush and Attorney General Dan Morales who filed the motion in the Texas Supreme Court. As a so-called "constitutional scholar", he was the One who wrote the brief for Bush and Morales that RT members have no First Amendment rights or protection of freedom of association or political beliefs, and he was proud of it. some so-called "constitutional scholar" he is. They all 3 in the press at the time, Bush, Morales and Cruz, when asked by the reporters, also stated by way of Morales as the spokesperson for this group of 3 miscreants that "the Constitution didn't apply to us (RT Citizens) and was just a worthless scrap of paper that they could ignore at any time, saying that it and the 1st Amendment would only apply "whenever 'we' decided it does or want it to, and in this case 'we' decide it doesn't". Incredible admission, but true. This was in the late 90's around 1996-1997, and I was there in Texas at the time, as a part of the RT, and so I know. Does that sound familiar? Bush said much later in about 2006 or so, that "the Constitution is just a god-damn piece of paper". I tried to warn everybody then that Bush, Morales and Cruz were just worthless pieces of scum and tyrants that nobody should vote for and get them out of office now, and prosecute them all for fraud and corruption and other crimes against the people of Texas, but every then was just too dimwitted and asleep and didn't give a damn, they just wanted to hear what they wanted to hear and accept only what these 3 morons and liars said without fact checking them, and look what we've got now!


Cruz was also involved with Bush and Morales in other corruption cases when he was Solicitor General as Bush's right hand legal man along with Morales, that came to light then when Bush was governor of Texas. In one of them, Dan Morales the AG was found guilty and sent to jail for years, and I don't know if he is still there in state prison or not. They should have got Bush and Cruz also way back then, but didn't, especially over the RT case massive persecution and illegal harassment of Texas citizens.



Cruz is nothing but an opportunist and will even turn on whoever his backers are once he is done with them, as he has actually and apparently already done, even to the Bush family as their prodigy, and Rockefeller, incredibly. Can we trust him to do as he claims he will as promised if elected, and that his knowledge,as pundits and his supporters now claim, of the Constitution is eminent? No! In no way or sense! He's NOT a real conservative, and he's been caught in several lies, deceptions and evasions, including over his Canadian citizenship of his mother and father, and not being a Natural Born citizen of the U.S. who could even qualify as such to run for the office of U.S. President. He's not a constitutional scholar. He is just a political opportunist who has studied the Constitution to gain just enough knowledge of the Constitution to learn how to get around it, just like many judges, prosecutors and attorney and policemen do. We don't need another Obama. A real Constitutional Scholar will be true and honest and a lover and a fierce advocate of the Constitution, like Jefferson was, no matter what, and Cruz fits the bill here on no count.
Thanks for mentioning that sisu> br br From a ... (show quote)



Cruz comes across as a cunning ruthless political opportunist willing to sacrifice any and all in the service of his egotistical ambitions. The resemblance to Richard Nixon is more than passing. Does he really think middle America will elect a foreign born carpet bagger with historical family ties to Fidel Castro and a fake Evangelical pedigree?
Ironic that his downfall will be his lack of legitimacy by birth, putting him in the same or worse foreign born category as his hated President.

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Jan 24, 2016 15:04:42   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
LAPhil, I'm a zionist and Ted Cruze is the last candidate I would vote for! I am having a problem deciding who should get my vote. There are no Republicans I would vote for, and I really don't like either Bernie or Hillary.


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Jan 24, 2016 18:16:07   #
sisu77
 
eden wrote:
Cruz comes across as a cunning ruthless political opportunist willing to sacrifice any and all in the service of his egotistical ambitions. The resemblance to Richard Nixon is more than passing. Does he really think middle America will elect a foreign born carpet bagger with historical family ties to Fidel Castro and a fake Evangelical pedigree?
Ironic that his downfall will be his lack of legitimacy by birth, putting him in the same or worse foreign born category as his hated President.


My sources in Canada tell me that both of Cruz' parents were Canadian citizens at the time Cruz was born in that country. He was a Canadian citizen until 15 months ago...As for when Cruz became an American citizen, we don't know. His mother who was born in America could not bestoy American citizenship on her son and he had to go the naturalization route...When did he become an American citizen, we don't know. He may still be a Canadian citizen...We can't believe anything he says. Afterall, he is a lawyer.

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