straightUp Loc: California

LOL...

Actually, you're staring at the problem dead in the face. The fact is, guns can be terribly misleading. They give stupid people a false sense of power and they start thinking they can push their weight around because they have guns. That's how idiots like those ranchers in Oregon get stuck in these standoffs and they will loose just like every every previous example did... Ruby Ridge, Waco... They all wind up loosing because people with guns overestimate the power they think they get from them.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Maybe they underestimated that government willingness to use the military to commit mass murder of civilians under the propaganda excuse of security: Koresh, et al supposedly posed a threat.

Tell me again, what gun violence has Bundy et al committed? Bet everyone of them is carrying legally, eh? For that matter, what justified the massacre of 78 innocent women and children at Waco? Henry McMahon was a legal licensed gun dealer working for Koresh. All their guns were legally purchased and owned for investment. Most never unboxed.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

And certifiably delusional as well if he really thinks anything so irrational.

straightUp Loc: California

Oh, I think they are...


I'm sure their guns were all obtained legally. For a rancher, a rifle is a tool of the trade. I'm not suggesting they have committed any acts of violence either (yet). The point I was making is that guns tend to give people a bigger sense of power than they actually have and that can lead to acts of violence that would not have otherwise happened, or in Bundy's case a stand-off he can't win.


What makes you think a gun is no longer a threat if it's legal? We slaughtered the Japanese with atomic weapons because of the threat they posed and their guns were technically legal too.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

It is not possible to make a valid comparison between Truman's decision in WW2 to use nuclear weapons and a civilian protecting his own .
There is no Bill of Rights guaranteeing the Axis powers to start a war with the rest of the world and vice versa.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

First, I am very much a person who believes the states should have more control then is currently available to them.

Having said that, this issue requires some cooperation from states to the NICS.

As per my promise.

Sensible Gun Control - by the NRA and others, such as yours truly.

1. Fully update the NICS, both technologically and as shown in enumerated items below.

2. Require prosecutors to fully prosecute criminals for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime, i.e., do not plead it down to a lesser charge.

3. Require E V E R Y state and Commonwealth (of which there are four) to notify the NICS of the names of all convicted felons.

4. Require E V E R Y state and Commonwealth to notify the NICS of the names of judicially adjudicated individuals deemed a threat to themselves or others.

5. Require E V E R Y state and Commonwealth of the names of any individual (male or female) charged with assault against their significant other.

6. Ascertain why the DOJ does not prosecute those individuals who attempt to purchase a gun, when they are ineligible to own a gun. **


**BATFE refers multiple thousands of cases of individuals attempting to purchase guns, who were ineligible to own guns. The DOJ prosecuted a whopping 44.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

These are excellent ideas. Unfortunately they will not do what the left wants done which is the removal of personal protection for average citizens who cannot afford full time body guards It probably would however, cut down on crimes in which guns were used, by punishing the criminals, whech was never, nor will it ever be the true goal of the left.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Be honest. No looking it up. Can you name the four Commonwealths?

Comment Loc: California

I wouldn't cont on it RWNJ. Liberal-Socialists are like spiders. they sin a new web at any time.

astrolite

They can always rely on the old standby: Deny, Deny, Deny, ridicule and insult! (Alinksi #6) NEVER ADMIT THEY WERE WRONG! (They get lots of practice, because everything they say or write is a lie)

mark13 Loc: usa

very good.

mark13 Loc: usa

very good.

RWNJ

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

mark13 Loc: usa

The leader of the stand-off is one of your anti-gun nut, paid, government agent provocateurs assigned to create an issue out of nothing so that dupes like you can pretend to be alarmed... as you know, the occupation leader is one of your boys, working for your anti-gun nut collectivist police state instituting government employees.

Bozo, is one of your anti-gun nut people employed to create another of your phony anti-gun nut political claptrap incidents as a means to try shape public perception to advance your anti-gun nut agenda.

straightUp Loc: California

Don't get distracted by the analogy... the point is that it doesn;t matter if a gun is legal, what matters is the intention of the person possessing it.

...And if you're going to be distracted by the analogies, try not to be so confused by them. The analog presented a threat (legally armed Japanese soldiers) and a corresponding reaction (Trumans' decision) analogous to another threat (legally armed civilians) and the corresponding reaction (Showdown with the Feds). So obviously I wasn't comparing Trumans's decision to the civilians protecting their own.

Finally, the Bundy Bunch of retards aren't protecting "their own". They have not had anything taken from them. They are not being threatened in anyway and if you are referring to their criminal buddies in jail well, they aren't really protecting them either.

Think about it. The assholes set fire to land that doesn't belong to them, so they were arrested. Bundy is demanding that the prisoners be set free and are resorting to this stupid standoff. Think about what would happen if the federal government decided to give in. Think about all the scumbags out there that have no respect for property or authority. Think about the fact that not everyone in America with a gun is a white man with a Bible. Maybe you get some Blood or Cripp - with guns and a lack of respect for property. You really want to set this precedent?