Heaven and earth
Dec 27, 2015 11:16:44 #
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Dec 27, 2015 12:25:55 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
My apologies for being absent. No, you have not offended me. My beliefs are very different but I respect your right to follow your own path. To understand the passages you singled out one has to understand and have studied a great deal of ancient history in addition to other books of the Prophets and the Writings. Much too involved for a conversation on OPP.
susanblange wrote:
Dearest Pennylynn: I haven't heard from you in a w... (show quote)
Dec 27, 2015 15:09:28 #
susanblange
Loc: USA
fredlott63 wrote:
Matthew 5:48
Perfection is unattainable, Fred. We are only perfect at one time in our life, and that is at the moment we are born. The scripture also says that the wicked "go astray from the womb, as soon as they born, speaking lies". They cry for no reason. God will be incarnated in the body of a human and will be subject to the sins of the flesh. There will be iniquity in his youth. Name one person in all of human history (excepting Jesus) who was perfect? Only God in Spirit form is perfect.
Dec 27, 2015 17:18:21 #
susanblange wrote:
Perfection is unattainable, Fred. We are only perfect at one time in our life, and that is at the moment we are born. The scripture also says that the wicked "go astray from the womb, as soon as they born, speaking lies". They cry for no reason. God will be incarnated in the body of a human and will be subject to the sins of the flesh. There will be iniquity in his youth. Name one person in all of human history (excepting Jesus) who was perfect? Only God in Spirit form is perfect.
Make up your mind. Just a few posts ago you said, "God is not perfect (nobody is)." Yet in the post above you state, "Name one person in all of human history (excepting Jesus) who was perfect?" This is stating that Jesus was perfect. If God is not perfect, how can Jesus be? Things you are saying are contradicting each other which leads me to believe that you are quite confused.
Dec 27, 2015 20:42:44 #
susanblange
Loc: USA
mwdegutis wrote:
Make up your mind. Just a few posts ago you said, "God is not perfect (nobody is)." Yet in the post above you state, "Name one person in all of human history (excepting Jesus) who was perfect?" This is stating that Jesus was perfect. If God is not perfect, how can Jesus be? Things you are saying are contradicting each other which leads me to believe that you are quite confused.
The Messiah, who is God in the flesh, is not perfect. He has sinned. When the Messiah is executed and his body dies, he will be returned to spirit form. This will mark a new beginning. Sort of like the Christian doctrine of being "born again". His body and his sin will pass away and be forgotten. VWD Day cannot come until the Messiah attains holiness, or perfection. Fire is a symbol of holiness and there will be three judgments by fire.
Dec 28, 2015 09:41:48 #
susanblange wrote:
Perfection is unattainable, Fred. We are only perfect at one time in our life, and that is at the moment we are born. The scripture also says that the wicked "go astray from the womb, as soon as they born, speaking lies". They cry for no reason. God will be incarnated in the body of a human and will be subject to the sins of the flesh. There will be iniquity in his youth. Name one person in all of human history (excepting Jesus) who was perfect? Only God in Spirit form is perfect.
We should do the best we can to be as good as we can.
Dec 28, 2015 09:48:54 #
slatten49
Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
fredlott63 wrote:
We should do the best we can to be as good as we can.
On that, we should all agree. :wink: :thumbup:
Jan 8, 2016 00:42:36 #
Heaven and Hell are states of mind that we go to right here on earth. When we shed the spacesuits (bodies) that made living on this planet both possible and at least sometimes enjoyable, we revert to our permanent physical nature which is as Spirit. Most of us are whatever (religion) we follow because we are born into it. And some of us rouse from that sleep and think for ourselves. Then we clear the bookshelves of Bibles, Torahs, Qu'Rans, etc. and realize that "deep down within the heart of every man, woman and child is the fundamental idea of God. It is only there that He may be found." I only know that God IS and that is all I need to know.
Jan 8, 2016 14:03:33 #
susanblange
Loc: USA
Pennylynn wrote:
My apologies for being absent. No, you have not offended me. My beliefs are very different but I respect your right to follow your own path. To understand the passages you singled out one has to understand and have studied a great deal of ancient history in addition to other books of the Prophets and the Writings. Much too involved for a conversation on OPP.
As a Hasidic Jew, you are probably familiar with their doctrine on eschatology and the after life. I recently went with a friend to the local Chabad Lubavitch's forum/seminar entitled "The journey of the soul". We talked about the purpose of life, reincarnation, the resurrection, and Heaven and Hell. I didn't agree with most of their theology, so I know I'm definitely not Orthodox. The discussion was also fairly one-sided and I wasn't allowed to express my beliefs or tell my vision of death. I haven't been to synagogue since about 2008, but I did see some old friends there.
Jan 8, 2016 14:13:31 #
susanblange
Loc: USA
dennisimoto wrote:
Heaven and Hell are states of mind that we go to r... (show quote)
Most of us are born into and adopt our parents religion. My parents are Christian, but I have always been Jewish. In the summer of 1964, at Santa Monica beach in California, when I was almost three, I was saved from drowning by a dolphin, so my mother decided to take me to Sunday school. I basically told them their beliefs were BS and I didn't believe it. Because of my unbelief and the language I used, they kicked me out of the class. I formally converted to Judaism in late 1983 when God called me.
Jan 12, 2016 02:33:54 #
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