amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

After the United States Navy and Marines kicked your ass because you were pirates.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

peter, in a futile attempt to break the cement and steel barrier in payne's deluded brain, I've made the following points in other threads:

1) When the jetliners blasted through the towers, the fire resistant material on the support columns was destroyed, blown away like dust in a hurricane. Almost ten stories of steel was laid bare. And,

2). The architect who designed the towers stated in a number of interviews that one of the big factors he had to consider was WIND (He said that withstanding the strike of an airplane was merely an afterthought since the possibility seemed so remote).

At a thousand feet, the wind off NY harbor can reach gale force on a good day. Occupants of the upper floors of the towers mentioned the motion of the building during high winds. Sometimes it was just a slight swaying and other times the movement was quite noticeable. One man said that during particularly high winds, his office had moved nearly five feet off center, creating a sway of almost ten feet. What this means then is that for 28 years, the support columns in the towers were subject to bending in the wind.

A structural engineer mentioned this. He said that even though structural steel is resilient, that the elasticity of the steel was factored into the design, it would still suffer from the effects of bending, much like repeatedly bending back and forth a length of a hairpin. Even if you don't bend it sufficiently to break it, molecular displacement would weaken it.

Though the report you posted did not mention this, tests were run on some of the WTC column fragments that had not been exposed to impact or fire and the original strength had, in fact, been degraded. This alone would not have been the deciding factor in the collapse, yet it may have contributed. The damage to the columns from the crash of the planes and the fires were the primary reason the towers went down. There were no explosives, nuclear or otherwise, involved. It wasn't a government conspiracy, not the CIA, or Mossad or some Zionist plot, it was the work of al Queda and 19 madmen who flew the planes into the towers.

Occam's Razor! Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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I would imagine that you can see the difference between steel girders and a half-inch thick bar of steel. In addition, corrosion from water does not occur in a short period of time. As we haven't had a six-month plus flood, your explanation doesn't apply.

VladimirPee

Apparently you don't understand how the World Trade was built . See the small steel angle clips? That is what held the concrete slabs to the outer girders and center shaft

Also did you know the foundation was built in the river held back by slurry walls?

Alicia Loc: NYC

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I would just like to remind you that the Empire State Building, built in the 30s was constructed so that it would sway, just like a tree in a gale. My uncle worked in that building and he did discuss the sway. It would stand to reason that the upper floor of the WTC would sway a bit more but that is taken into consideration by the architect. I would also like to note that the ESB was also hit by a plane and the damage was minimal.

Please don't ignore the fact that the Bush Administration desired the oil in Iraq and it was said that, in order to get the American populace riled up enough, there would have to be another Pearl Harbor. Evidently the WTC was not sufficient and I fear other attacks so that Israel can surreptitiously cause a large war in the ME. It is obvious that Netanyahu wishes to see Iran destroyed and will stop at nothing to achieve that end. He gives no reason other than he considers Iran a threat.

I also cannot believe, considering the event of the ESB, that a plane crashing into the building had been overlooked by the architect There are also a few claims that those planes did not exist but were holograms. In that case, charges would have to be placed within the building to give the impression of a collision with a plane.

If you'll also recall, the family and friends of the builder were not occupants of the building at the time of the "accident" even though they were employed at the site. Also consider that the insurance was increased just a day or two prior to the "accident" or attack. I find that quite interesting, don't you?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

"Those planes were holograms", hey?

OK.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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I was aware of the conditions in the building and the water being held back by slurry walls. Well, if the steel girders were already rusted, why didn't the building collapse from the bottom up? You're really pushng it.

I would suppose that had not those buildings collapsed upon themselves (all three of them) the entire downtown area of Manhattan would have been destroyed. But that was not what was desired even though that would have been a better equivalent of Pearl Harbor.

I know the area well as I was employed on Vesey Street (which is just a couple of blocks away from that site) while the WTC was being built. I moved out to L.I. before its completion.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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That's exactly what the Bush Administration wanted American citizens to believe. Remember Pearl Harbor and the "Japs."

VladimirPee

Empire State was a different type of construction and is irrelevant.

VladimirPee

You mean the Japs didn't bomb us at Pearl Harbor?

payne1000

Did it ever dawn on you, Peter, that NIST is a government agency?

payne1000

The photos below refute your argument. The fire on the floors where the airliner hit had already burned out. There was no red hot steel visible to indicate the steel was hot enough to be weakened.
Since all three towers fell showing all the characteristics of controlled demolition, Occam's Razor would say they were controlled demolitions.

VladimirPee

If you don't see spots of red hot steel in YOUR photo's you are BLIND

payne1000

I think what Alicia means is that the government and military knew the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbor. They wanted Pearl Harbor to be attacked in order to enter WWII. Bush Cheney and the Neocons needed 9/11 in order to invade Iraq.
The Neocon members of PNAC had already expressed the need for a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to scare the American people enough to get them to go along with the Neocon plan to restructure the governments in the Middle East.

VladimirPee

Controlled Demolition looks different. The bottom comes out first not the top