Why Did Guns & Ammo Publish Editorial? (Page 4): I could be wrong. The guns are not illegal as far as I know, but when I have bought guns I have had to give certain information. I...

claytonln Loc: Kansas

larry wrote:

So why do they have to be registered? Does registration make them legal? Do I get a special permit or some kind of imprimatur
that makes me immune from search and seizure? I have an old blunder buss and pistol that I picked up in Britain a long time ago, they are not registered any where that I know of, Does that make them illegal? They are antiques, and fully functional.

I could be wrong. The guns are not illegal as far as I know, but when I have bought guns I have had to give certain information. I assumed it was for registration or back ground check.

larry

claytonln wrote:

I could be wrong. The guns are not illegal as far as I know, but when I have bought guns I have had to give certain information. I assumed it was for registration or back ground check.

So, this registration fiasco, is just locate where the guns are so that they can come after them if they want to get rid of them. It does not seem to be for any useful purpose. An idiot or potential criminal can buy or steal a gun and commit a crime, and that means that all guns are to be confiscated so it does not happen again?

That is boomerang thinking. There is no criminal I know of that would buy a gun, register it, and then go commit a crime.

I suppose the registration is so we know who the honest people are that own guns. If that is the case, everybody that registers a gun should be exempt from search and seizure. It should be a guarantee at the time of purchase

When police carry a throw away, it is so that they can commit a crime, and blame it on someone else. What kind of protective constabulary is that? I thought their motto was to protect and serve.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

larry wrote:

So, this registration fiasco, is just locate where... (show quote)

To begin with I oppose any new gun laws and probably half of those that we already have.

I don't believe they enforce the law's now and that is the problem, not people having them.

I don't support any type of registration of firearms. I know that there is paperwork that is filled out when you purchase one. What this is used for exactly I have no idea. I had always thought that it was a type of local registration.

The people that I know that carried "throw aways" never used them but did so with the idea that there was a need to do this. I have never questioned what that might be.

I probably should not ave said illegal guns. Probably a better way of saying it was "illegally obtained guns" such as stolen, or someone with a felony having a gun...etc. These are the guns and the people who need to be taken off the streets.

larry

claytonln wrote:

To begin with I oppose any new gun laws and probab... (show quote)

Ok, I see we agree that this registration and limiting of a protective weapon is just a method of imperial control that has no substance in doing anything constructive. How can we get this administration off of the circus they are promoting,and on to something useful. This limiting and registration idea is like a blister on everyone's heel. It needs to be taken care of. If the only way to do so is to remove the perpetrators of it we must band together and do it. Vote the jerks out. put in some sensible people that will go through all the useless laws and scrap them. There must be hundreds of laws on the books that are not feasible, but no one ever get's rid of them it is like a legislative cancer.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

claytonln wrote:

I'm with you buddy. :thumbup: :thumbup:

You can make all the laws you want to , take away all guns from people . You think people who use guns to murder other innocent people care about any law you make ?

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Bigmac495 wrote:

You can make all the laws you want to , take away all guns from people . You think people who use guns to murder other innocent people care about any law you make ?

nope I don't. I would be very alarmed if they tried to take guns from anyone who is law abiding. The laws that we already have don't work for what they want them too.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

claytonln wrote:

I could be wrong. The guns are not illegal as far as I know, but when I have bought guns I have had to give certain information. I assumed it was for registration or back ground check.

I would think they are registered so that if a crime is commited and they find the gun , it can be traced back to someone and would have a way to trace that to who ever used it .
At least that would be a start.

Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks

Hold on, Hold on yall.. I believe yall are mixing up two entirely different points here. Registered guns are not gun registration. It is the point of forensics in identify a weapon used in a crime in the use of a guns manufacturers registration numbers. This for ballistics in identifying a gun used in a crime. This very seldom to be overcoming the use of barrel patterns to the point of an identification number to the correlation of the rifling pattern of the barrel. The point of these laws already on the books for a long time.

To the confusion of a second registration invading the privacy of the individual owner having to registered guns owned by an individual to a data base. This used by Anti-gunners for the point of confiscation of all guns of all gun owners. This when the final ax is dropped in a pushed through law without the correct checks and balances of our legal system. This just shown here in New York State done by Governor Cuomo. Where he crossed into a point of enacting an illegal point of well undershooting the minimum 3 day period to allow state legislation viewing of any new law before it goes to vote. Also to see that his law made it through to passage. they made sure all legislators opposed to such a law were miss-informed that it would not be brought to vote until after the time for viewing it. Then minutes after these legislators had left the Assembly building, that very evening they were miss-informed. Those of Cuomo brown nosing crew passed through the legislation. Bringing into the point of high capacity magazines. This even to the point where state and local law enforcement can't fully load there side arm or rifle magazines. There was much more in this piece of legislation passed. But my point here is of the illegal tactics those of our politicians are willing to go to leaving their own citizens unprotected, in their mad rush to enact poorly thought out legislation which does not do anything but produce more problems. As they knew it would be opposed and there in rejected if all members were present. These points used to stop crime based illegal gun use in which it was purposefully miss-stated in saying it would correct! But showing positively of the lies and conjecture of our criminal politicians we have in Office today..

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Kiwegapawa wrote:

Hold on, Hold on yall.. I believe yall are mixing up two entirely different points here. Registered guns are not gun registration. It is the point of forensics in identify a weapon used in a crime in the use of a guns manufacturers registration numbers. This for ballistics in identifying a gun used in a crime. This very seldom to be overcoming the use of barrel patterns to the point of an identification number to the correlation of the rifling pattern of the barrel. The point of these laws already on the books for a long time.

To the confusion of a second registration invading the privacy of the individual owner having to registered guns owned by an individual to a data base. This used by Anti-gunners for the point of confiscation of all guns of all gun owners. This when the final ax is dropped in a pushed through law without the correct checks and balances of our legal system. This just shown here in New York State done by Governor Cuomo. Where he crossed into a point of enacting an illegal point of well undershooting the minimum 3 day period to allow state legislation viewing of any new law before it goes to vote. Also to see that his law made it through to passage. they made sure all legislators opposed to such a law were miss-informed that it would not be brought to vote until after the time for viewing it. Then minutes after these legislators had left the Assembly building, that very evening they were miss-informed. Those of Cuomo brown nosing crew passed through the legislation. Bringing into the point of high capacity magazines. This even to the point where state and local law enforcement can't fully load there side arm or rifle magazines. There was much more in this piece of legislation passed. But my point here is of the illegal tactics those of our politicians are willing to go to leaving their own citizens unprotected, in their mad rush to enact poorly thought out legislation which does not do anything but produce more problems. As they knew it would be opposed and there in rejected if all members were present. These points used to stop crime based illegal gun use in which it was purposefully miss-stated in saying it would correct! But showing positively of the lies and conjecture of our criminal politicians we have in Office today..

b color=darkgreen Hold on, Hold on yall.. I bel... (show quote)

Good reply, I agree 100 %.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Kiwegapawa wrote:

Hold on, Hold on yall.. I believe yall are mixing up two entirely different points here. Registered guns are not gun registration. It is the point of forensics in identify a weapon used in a crime in the use of a guns manufacturers registration numbers. This for ballistics in identifying a gun used in a crime. This very seldom to be overcoming the use of barrel patterns to the point of an identification number to the correlation of the rifling pattern of the barrel. The point of these laws already on the books for a long time.

To the confusion of a second registration invading the privacy of the individual owner having to registered guns owned by an individual to a data base. This used by Anti-gunners for the point of confiscation of all guns of all gun owners. This when the final ax is dropped in a pushed through law without the correct checks and balances of our legal system. This just shown here in New York State done by Governor Cuomo. Where he crossed into a point of enacting an illegal point of well undershooting the minimum 3 day period to allow state legislation viewing of any new law before it goes to vote. Also to see that his law made it through to passage. they made sure all legislators opposed to such a law were miss-informed that it would not be brought to vote until after the time for viewing it. Then minutes after these legislators had left the Assembly building, that very evening they were miss-informed. Those of Cuomo brown nosing crew passed through the legislation. Bringing into the point of high capacity magazines. This even to the point where state and local law enforcement can't fully load there side arm or rifle magazines. There was much more in this piece of legislation passed. But my point here is of the illegal tactics those of our politicians are willing to go to leaving their own citizens unprotected, in their mad rush to enact poorly thought out legislation which does not do anything but produce more problems. As they knew it would be opposed and there in rejected if all members were present. These points used to stop crime based illegal gun use in which it was purposefully miss-stated in saying it would correct! But showing positively of the lies and conjecture of our criminal politicians we have in Office today..

b color=darkgreen Hold on, Hold on yall.. I bel... (show quote)

:thumbup: :thumbup:

larry

Kiwegapawa wrote:

Hold on, Hold on yall.. I believe yall are mixing up two entirely different points here. Registered guns are not gun registration. It is the point of forensics in identify a weapon used in a crime in the use of a guns manufacturers registration numbers. This for ballistics in identifying a gun used in a crime. This very seldom to be overcoming the use of barrel patterns to the point of an identification number to the correlation of the rifling pattern of the barrel. The point of these laws already on the books for a long time.

To the confusion of a second registration invading the privacy of the individual owner having to registered guns owned by an individual to a data base. This used by Anti-gunners for the point of confiscation of all guns of all gun owners. This when the final ax is dropped in a pushed through law without the correct checks and balances of our legal system. This just shown here in New York State done by Governor Cuomo. Where he crossed into a point of enacting an illegal point of well undershooting the minimum 3 day period to allow state legislation viewing of any new law before it goes to vote. Also to see that his law made it through to passage. they made sure all legislators opposed to such a law were miss-informed that it would not be brought to vote until after the time for viewing it. Then minutes after these legislators had left the Assembly building, that very evening they were miss-informed. Those of Cuomo brown nosing crew passed through the legislation. Bringing into the point of high capacity magazines. This even to the point where state and local law enforcement can't fully load there side arm or rifle magazines. There was much more in this piece of legislation passed. But my point here is of the illegal tactics those of our politicians are willing to go to leaving their own citizens unprotected, in their mad rush to enact poorly thought out legislation which does not do anything but produce more problems. As they knew it would be opposed and there in rejected if all members were present. These points used to stop crime based illegal gun use in which it was purposefully miss-stated in saying it would correct! But showing positively of the lies and conjecture of our criminal politicians we have in Office today..

b color=darkgreen Hold on, Hold on yall.. I bel... (show quote)

So, how do we stop this kind of bull crap. Just knowing about it doesn't nullify the action of it. Are we totally helpless to these kinds of shenanigans?

Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks

Well, it is a multiple faced problem. First too much complacency by citizens like you and I. Not say you and I are, but those this does reside in. A second piece of the problem reside who are and have of those in all points of law enforcement. This where there are obvious points of infractions to the law. And Law Enforcement does not correspond in the point of their office to serve and protect. This where they decide what they will pursue and what they will not pursue. In the point of them pursuing an infraction to the law, most times they decide not to pursue a case without putting before their superiors or to that of a District Attorney. Or as the case may be without putting it before the Attorney General. Most times these cases are decided against pursuit if they are coming from citizens such as you and I, who have reported a crime. How they evade pursuit, by telling you a lie, where say criminal cases are said to be civil when indeed they are not.

larry wrote:

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So, how do we stop this kind of bull crap. Just knowing about it doesn't nullify the action of it. Are we totally helpless to these kinds of shenanigans?

Unless there are more citizens, stepping to the plate on these individual cases, things will continue to go on as they have. The higher the number of people involved the larger the chances something will be done about it..

larry

Kiwegapawa wrote:
Hold on, Hold on yall.. I believe yall are mixing up two entirely different points here. Registered guns are not gun registration. It is the point of forensics in identify a weapon used in a crime in the use of a guns manufacturers registration numbers. This for ballistics in identifying a gun used in a crime. This very seldom to be overcoming the use of barrel patterns to the point of an identification number to the correlation of the rifling pattern of the barrel. The point of these laws already on the books for a long time.
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On this point, if a gun is registered, it IS gun registration. How can you possibly separate the two? If a gun is registered to the maker, and not the user, that might be possible, but what good would that do the Police. The maker of the gun is already printed on the gun. So if it is registered to the Seller, that only tells them who sold it. If the seller writes down the serial number, that registers the gun, to the buyer. From that point on, this buyer is the registered owner.

Now if he sells it to someone else, or it gets stolen, He is on the hook, unless he reports the sale or the steal. So don't tell me that they are different. They aren't. You can want to believe they are, but the path of registration is fixed. We have always had registered guns. This is nothing new. We don't need any more laws to do what we have always been doing. We just need sensible utilization of the laws.

I don't object to a method of tracking down a criminal, but if you want to use this information to confiscate my weapons of protection or other necessary use, we are using this data base for tyrannical purposes. The law should absolutely deny this kind of action. And by rights, search and seizure should still involve a warrant. The problem with a warrant is that it gives power to the one holding it, and no protection to the one it is against. He does not have a chance to present his case until after the action has occurred.

Kiwegapawa Loc: Foothills of the Adirondacks

You are absolutely right Larry, but one thing further to mention. That pin points anti-gunners sole purpose in the finite. This new point in Gun Registration, is meant totally to override our current laws. This where the existing laws do not allow the invasion of privacy in Registered Guns. There in protecting the lawful gun owner. It is not one large data base that the new Gun Registration would have at one designated department or there in building. As these points are contained by local law enforcement from one community to the next across the United States. But only any point of Law Enforcement are allowed to use these points of Registered Guns according to current law. And they are accessible to all points in Law Enforcement. They are not available to the United Nations as what the finale' of the Anti-Gunners are pushing for in that of the UN ATT wants!

larry wrote:

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Kiwegapawa wrote: br Hold on, Hold on yall.. I bel... (show quote)

This is something you will never see coming from the Anti-Gunners. They lie, cheat and use many a smoke and mirror trick to bring about their new world order and to break down our God given rights as our forefathers painstakingly specifically put together to stop such attempts of Absolutism of a tyrannical nature! All I will further say once again, "Only From My Cold Dead Hands"

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

larry wrote:

So, how do we stop this kind of bull crap. Just knowing about it doesn't nullify the action of it. Are we totally helpless to these kinds of shenanigans?

About the only recourse we have is to not vote for politicians that are for gun control !
Write or E mail your representives telling them you aren't going to vote for anyone who wants gun control passed that will take away our guns from our homes or persons !
Argue for the right to own guns for personel protection .