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Nov 17, 2015 14:18:10   #
zillaorange
 
permafrost wrote:
Zilla,

You do not seem to know what the small arms act is about.


I have read every word of the treaty, it's not a terribly lengthy document, and I think it would be worthwhile if I explain what the treaty actually says. Not that I'm assuming that my comments will change anyone's mind about the treaty, or the Second Amendment or anything else related to guns. But in all the hysteria that has been drummed up about this document by the NRA and its allies and friends, until now I had never seen the treaty text itself. Now I've read it, so here goes.

The treaty begins with a preamble that "reaffirms the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms exclusively within its territory, pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system." This statement isn't buried in some footnote; it's found at the very beginning of the text. Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean that our government, and not the United Nations, gets to figure out how guns will be handled within the United States?
Zilla, br br You do not seem to know what the sma... (show quote)

I'll go back & read it again. can't copy entire content so I'll have to go & read it off the screen. as you said it's very long & I hate reading from the screen. will get back to you.

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Nov 17, 2015 14:26:47   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
bmac32 wrote:
(CNN)More than half the nation's governors -- 27 states -- say they oppose letting Syrian refugees into their states, although the final say on this contentious immigration issue will fall to the federal government.
So says CNN. However, federal encroachment on states rights is a violation of the constitution, specifically the 10th Amendment. (see Federalism.)

But, of course, the constitution is irrelevant, isn't it?

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Nov 17, 2015 14:28:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I'm Cheyenne Indian,,,,, want to talk about what a treaty is worth???


So,,, just give YOUR guns back,,, I'll keep mine this time...




Geeez,

This makes no mention of giving guns back or to anyone anything..

read it again.....

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Nov 17, 2015 14:30:48   #
Ve'hoe
 
I dont need to read another treaty,,, until you sumbitches uphold the ones you already wrote us


permafrost wrote:
Geeez,

This makes no mention of giving guns back or to anyone anything..

read it again.....

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Nov 17, 2015 14:31:48   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So says CNN. However, federal encroachment on states rights is a violation of the constitution, specifically the 10th Amendment. (see Federalism.)

But, of course, the constitution is irrelevant, isn't it?





Around half of U.S. governors (including neighbor states Iowa & Wisconsin) and many federal lawmakers have attempted to draw a link between the tragedy in Paris and the admission and resettlement of Syrian refugees in the U.S. It would violate the Constitution for a governor to bar an entire group of refugees from coming into their state because of their nationality.

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Nov 17, 2015 14:46:05   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
Zilla,

You do not seem to know what the small arms act is about.


I have read every word of the treaty, it's not a terribly lengthy document, and I think it would be worthwhile if I explain what the treaty actually says. Not that I'm assuming that my comments will change anyone's mind about the treaty, or the Second Amendment or anything else related to guns. But in all the hysteria that has been drummed up about this document by the NRA and its allies and friends, until now I had never seen the treaty text itself. Now I've read it, so here goes.

The treaty begins with a preamble that "reaffirms the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms exclusively within its territory, pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system." This statement isn't buried in some footnote; it's found at the very beginning of the text. Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean that our government, and not the United Nations, gets to figure out how guns will be handled within the United States?
Zilla, br br You do not seem to know what the sma... (show quote)



Quote:
UN Guns Treaty: When It Goes Into Effect, and How It Changes America's Firearms Laws

By Spencer Durrant

The guns treaty has been passed by the UN and is ready to go into effect across the world. Only Iran, Syria, and North Korea opposed the treaty when it passed in the organization’s general assembly in April 2013.

The treaty, which seeks to prevent and control the illicit trade of weapons while regulating the international trade of them, includes measures such as creating a national gun registry; mandating control of firearms and ammunition; regulating the manufacture of gun parts; and limiting stores' ability to sell firearms.

So what does this treaty, formally called the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, mean for Americans and their right to bear arms? Gun rights advocates have said their Second Amendment rights will be infringed upon.

“The UN Arms Trade Treaty is an attempt by other countries — including some despotic regimes — to try and infringe on our constitutional rights,” Catherine Mortensen, spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association, told TheBlaze. “While the NRA and a bipartisan majority of pro-gun Senators have succeeded in blocking this treaty’s ratification in the United States, this treaty is a very real threat.”

Although the treaty presents a threat to gun rights advocates, TheBlaze reported that it is unlikely to pass the U.S. Senate. For any UN treaty to have any effect on American laws, it must first be ratified by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.

Mortensen told TheBlaze that the NRA is still wary of the possibility of an executive order by President Barack Obama.

Sens. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and James Inhofe (R-Okla.) have actively fought against Senate ratification of the UN treaty. In a letter to President Obama, the two senators wrote “it is not in the national interest of the United States for the Senate to give its advice and consent to this treaty.”

In an issue brief, the Heritage Foundation reported that the treaty “will come into force for its signatories 90 days after it is ratified by the fiftieth national signatory.” That occurred in late 2014.

“The ATT is binding only on those nations that have fully ratified it, but its advocates are starting to make a new claim: that, after it receives its fiftieth ratification, it will become international law that will presumptively apply to the United States,” The Heritage Foundation’s report said.

“In the coming year, Congress should hold hearings to reveal the full extent of the administration’s implementation of the treaty and ensure that the U.S. is not slowly pulled into compliance with it, as the activists desire.”
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Nov 17, 2015 15:06:38   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
Around half of U.S. governors (including neighbor states Iowa & Wisconsin) and many federal lawmakers have attempted to draw a link between the tragedy in Paris and the admission and resettlement of Syrian refugees in the U.S. It would violate the Constitution for a governor to bar an entire group of refugees from coming into their state because of their nationality.
Oh yeah, you will find nothing in the Constitution dealing with the rights of refugees (The Constitution applies ONLY to American citizens). The 10th Amendment trumps the federal government on issues such as this. The state governors are acting entirely within their rights as the state chief executive.

Only a federal regulation deals with processing refugees into this country, and even this is being ignored by the Obama regime.

USCIS wrote:

Refugees

Under United States law, a refugee is someone who:

Is located outside of the United States
Is of special humanitarian concern to the United States
Demonstrates that they were persecuted or fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group
Is not firmly resettled in another country
Is admissible to the United States

A refugee does not include anyone who ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

For the legal definition of refugee, see section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

The Refugee Process

You must receive a referral to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for consideration as a refugee. For more information on the referral criteria, see the USRAP Consultations and Worldwide Processing Priorities page.

If you receive a referral, you will receive help filling out your application and then be interviewed abroad by a USCIS officer who will determine whether you are eligible for refugee resettlement.
For more information about eligibility, see our Refugee Eligibility Determination page.

Your case may include your spouse, child (unmarried and under 21years of age), and in some limited circumstances, other family members.. You may include a same-sex spouse in your application provided that you and your spouse are legally married. As a general matter, USCIS looks to the law of the place where the marriage took place when determining whether it is valid for immigration law purposes. Same-sex partners who are not married but who are qualified to access the U.S. Refugee Admissions under one of the three designated worldwide processing priorities may have their cases cross-referenced so that they can be interviewed at the same time and, if approved by USCIS, resettled in the same geographic area in the United States.

There is no fee to apply for refugee status. The information you provide will not be shared with your home country.
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Nov 17, 2015 15:19:23   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
De-funding is what it will take, some democratic governor will kiss ass. Have always said a good place is D.C. with all the other crooks.



BearK wrote:
These governors are going to have to invoke the 14th amendment. Absolutely say NO and have Obumer figure out how he can do it. Defund the entire program in Congress.

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Nov 17, 2015 15:20:23   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Our local District Attorney has twin daughters in high school. They were showing him, in their text book, where it says, the 2nd amendment was to "ALLOW HUNTERS TO HAVE GUNS."

Brain wash them in high school so pretty soon they'll see why guns should be limited at best, seized at most.

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Nov 17, 2015 15:20:46   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
bmac32 wrote:
De-funding is what it will take, some democratic governor will kiss ass. Have always said a good place is D.C. with all the other crooks.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 17, 2015 15:37:46   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So says CNN. However, federal encroachment on states rights is a violation of the constitution, specifically the 10th Amendment. (see Federalism.)

But, of course, the constitution is irrelevant, isn't it?


Thank you, I had the right idea, wrong amendment.

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Nov 17, 2015 17:08:30   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
permafrost wrote:
Zilla,

You do not seem to know what the small arms act is about.


I have read every word of the treaty, it's not a terribly lengthy document, and I think it would be worthwhile if I explain what the treaty actually says. Not that I'm assuming that my comments will change anyone's mind about the treaty, or the Second Amendment or anything else related to guns. But in all the hysteria that has been drummed up about this document by the NRA and its allies and friends, until now I had never seen the treaty text itself. Now I've read it, so here goes.

The treaty begins with a preamble that "reaffirms the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms exclusively within its territory, pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system." This statement isn't buried in some footnote; it's found at the very beginning of the text. Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean that our government, and not the United Nations, gets to figure out how guns will be handled within the United States?
Zilla, br br You do not seem to know what the sma... (show quote)

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Who overran the US Constitution by giving any State the right to regulate and control conventional arms???? The term "shall not be infringed" DOES have meaning, and for those who can read a dictionary or THINK, "infringe" means:

verb (used with object), infringed, infringing.
1.
to commit a breach or infraction of; violate or transgress:
to infringe a copyright; to infringe a rule.
verb (used without object), infringed, infringing.
2.
to encroach or trespass (usually followed by on or upon):
Don't infringe on his privacy.

Text of the 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. This means leave it alone.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/usconstitution/a/2nd-Amendment.htm

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infringe?s=t

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Nov 17, 2015 17:19:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade,

Where are you finding these articles you post? They all seem to have the same construction, but no byline or origin..

Or do you type them all up yourself?

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Nov 17, 2015 17:27:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Tasine wrote:
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Who overran the US Constitution by giving any State the right to regulate and control conventional arms???? The term "shall not be infringed" DOES have meaning, and for those who can read a dictionary or THINK, "infringe" means:

verb (used with object), infringed, infringing.
1.
to commit a breach or infraction of; violate or transgress:
to infringe a copyright; to infringe a rule.
verb (used without object), infringed, infringing.
2.
to encroach or trespass (usually followed by on or upon):
Don't infringe on his privacy.

Text of the 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. This means leave it alone.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/usconstitution/a/2nd-Amendment.htm

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infringe?s=t
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Tas,

In my post, "state" was meant to be any nation..

Near 90 countries signed the agreement, all have differing regulations and standards, so the wording is addressing all the nations not just our own..

Or maybe i simply missed your point..

To me it seems to support our constitution and leaves the interpretation and enforcement to us..

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Nov 17, 2015 19:19:35   #
ninetogo
 
trucksterbud wrote:
In view of the recent terrorist attacks in Paris and the responses from the political leaders this thought has been growing and revising itself in my mind.

Its not a matter of if, but when, now that O'Bamster seems committed to importing thousands of Syrian refugees - Muslims - that an attack like Paris will happen on American soil.

When that time comes, who will fight the extremists to protect - your life, -your liberty, - your freedoms...??

Do you think it will be O'Bamster himself...?? Don't forget the anointed one wants to take your guns so you will be a soft target for terrorists.

Do you think it will be Hillary..?? How about Senator's Graham or ReidScum...?? Don't forget they want to take your guns to make you a soft target for terrorists..

Our politicians want to take the peoples guns, all the while they build a wall around themselves with people who CARRY guns, like Secret Service, CIA, FBI, etc. In the events just before the Paris attacks, the global clown crowd was there for a summit on the enviroment and they were well protected by - guess what - people who carry (gasp!) GUNS...!!

In the very likely event now that there is a copycat terrorist attact on American soil, be reminded that it will be;

the Marine's who will fight and/or die for your life and freedom.

the Navy who will fight and/or die for your life and freedom.

the Army who will fight and/or die for your life and freedom.

As they have always done. And there might or will be some good ole Americans who own (gasp!) GUNS who will fight and maybe die for someone elses life or freedom.

As the old saying goes, it took God, Guns and Guts to make America free and keep this country what it is. Lets keep all three.

It seems its time to send a resounding message to both O'Bamster and Congress that -

1) we don't need no stinkin Muslim refugees here.
2) try to take our guns, and you can have them - bullets first.
3) in the event of a terrorist attact, we just might need our guns, as We The People don't have a small army of Secret Service to walk around and protect us (with guns) like the select few do.

And as an end note, as others have stated, if Hillary and O'Bamster want to take our guns, lets say ok and start with taking away the guns of the Secret Service police that protect them.. See how they like that.
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truckster bud; Great minds think alike. I posted something similar one or two pages back and could not agree with you more. Thank you, my friend....keep sharing the reality.

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