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Oct 6, 2015 06:47:14   #
Orrie
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will never comprehend the founding of America, Doc.

They incessantly throw the "separation of church and state" in our face like it is some sort of absolute excuse to ignore our history and condemn only Christians.

Jefferson used the phrase simply to assure the Danbury Baptists that the new government would not establish a state religion, that it would not in any way influence or control the affairs of the church. It also implies the reverse, that the church would have no influence or control of government affairs. However, what is ignored is that the Constitution was framed based on the moral principles and doctrines of decency embodied in Judeo-Chistianity. The Constitution (and the DoI) reflects those principles, it does not preach them. Leftists are either unwilling or unable to make this distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness . . . " This paragraph is undeniably a Christian principle.

It must be noted that salon.com is a leftist ideologically driven hack site. The sock puppets there can't see the difference between the truth of our nation's founding and a pile of horseshit.
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will ... (show quote)


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Oct 6, 2015 07:05:37   #
rebob14
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_religious_have_gone_insane_the_separation_of_church_and_state_and_scalia_from_his_mind/

The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state — and Scalia from his mind
A "strong and passionate" belief in God does real harm -- look no further than the GOP or the Supreme Court
JEFFREY TAYLER
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The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state -- and Scalia from his mind
(Credit: Jeff Malet, maletphotos.com/Reuters/AP/Patrick Semansky)
The headline on the News Nerd was almost too good to be true: “American Psychological Association to Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness.” A study, the story beneath it read, had led the APA to conclude that “a strong and passionate belief in a deity or higher power, to the point where it impairs one’s ability to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters, will now be classified as a mental illness.” Faith’s recurrent lethality was adduced: “Every year thousands of people die after refusing life-saving treatment on religious grounds.” Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, said the article, refuse lifesaving transfusions (on account of biblical prohibitions against the drinking of blood).

Most gratifyingly, for a rationalist, the author quoted a certain Dr. Lillian Andrews, who opined that, “Religious belief and the angry God phenomenon has caused chaos, destruction, death, and wars for centuries. The time for evolving into a modern society and classifying these archaic beliefs as a mental disorder has been long overdue.”

Finally, I thought, the educated elite is beginning to awaken to the threat that accepting, without evidence, the truth of comprehensive propositions about our cosmos (that is, religion, in all its inglorious permutations), poses to the mental health of our society!

A “strong and passionate belief” in a (nonexistent) God does our world immeasurable harm: look no further than ISIS or al-Qaida. In fact, look no further than the damage religion causes to progressive causes of every sort (and thus to our psychological well-being) in the United States, from women’s reproductive rights to same-sex marriage to teaching science in schools to depriving federal coffers of $82.5 billion a year (in tax exemptions). Consider the enrichment of all sorts of faith-charlatans who thrive off the gullibility of millions of Americans. Recall the sick “purity movements” that allow meddlesome parents to ruin the lives of their daughters.

I could go on. In any case, it was to be expected that sooner or later psychologists would catch on to the quasi-psychotic elements (including detachment from reality, belief in spirits, hearing “the voice of the Lord, and so on) inherent in religion.

But no! I was wrong! The fine-print disclaimer at the foot of the News Nerd’s page ruthlessly dispelled my elation: The story, like the others the site publishes, was “for entertainment purposes only,” and “purely satirical.” In other words, a spoof. The hour was not nigh; psychologists were not yet ready to diagnose firm belief in God as what it is: an unhealthy delusion. Men in white jumpsuits won’t be forcing the faithful into straightjackets any time soon.

(Yet would that it were so! Imagine, so many Supreme Court justices and Republican politicians, from Antonin Scalia to Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, disqualified in one fell swoop on mental health grounds from holding public office!)

In fact, religion, so potentially dangerous that the Founding Fathers established a “wall of separation” to keep it clear of our affairs of state, continues to enjoy an entirely unmerited imprimatur of respectability. Yet the satire in the News Nerd’s piece derives its efficacy from an obvious truth: belief in a deity motivates people to behave in all sorts of ways — some childish and pathetic, others harmful, a few outright criminal — most of which, to the nonbeliever at least, mimic symptoms of an all-encompassing mental illness, if of widely varying severity.

Why childish? A majority of adults in one of the most developed countries on Earth believe, in all seriousness, that an invisible, inaudible, undetectable “father” exercises parental supervision over them, protecting them from evil (except when he doesn’t), and, for the mere price of surrendering their faculty of reason and behaving in ways spelled out in various magic books, will ensure their postmortem survival. Wishful thinking characterizes childhood, yes, but, where the religious are concerned, not only. That is childish.

True, belief, say the polls, is waning, but that it persists at all, given the advances of science in the past couple of centuries, and especially since Darwin published “The Origin of Species” in 1859, does nothing if not lead a rationalist to despair. Americans, by and large, cling to their religion (and, yes, their guns). To have all the resources to begin reliably fathoming the mysteries of the universe, and yet to cast them aside for slavish fidelity to primitive fables (most of which deserve no more “reverence” than tales from the Brothers Grimm) that no one past the age of six or seven should believe . . . well, such is the very definition of pathetic.

Harmful? Let’s leave aside the mass-market megachurch “God of Love” finding little or no textual support in the Old or New Testament, and take the terrifying deity as the sacred canon depicts Him. One Bible verse alone (Nahum 1:2) describes Him as vengeful, jealous, wrathful, and furious. Or let’s take His supposedly more clement son, who orders us (says Matthew 25:41) cast into everlasting hellfire for trivial transgressions. Who benefits from the misconception that a permanent, inescapable, unimpeachable tyrant oversees our thoughts and deeds, including those of a most intimate nature? The life- and society-damaging neuroses generated by this crazed delusion afflict many of those around us. That is harmful.

But the harm is greater than that. All in all, the most pernicious constellation of rubbish misbeliefs forming the core of the Abrahamic faiths concerns women, blamed for sin itself (the “original sin”), and the Fall of all mankind. Every mainstream misogynistic superstition stems from the rotten old myth of Genesis: woman as made not in God’s image, but from one of Adam’s spare parts, and thus inferior to man. Woman as temptress, woman as unreliable, woman as “unclean.” The rest of the Old and New Testaments inculcate an array of injurious ideas: that women depreciate after their initial sexual encounter, and serve only to bear children and satisfy the lust of their mates. That they must submit to their husbands “as unto the Lord,” keep silent in church, cover their (shameful) bodies and heads, and never have authority over men. It goes without saying that none of this fosters mental health.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_religious_have... (show quote)


A total reversal of historical reality. Read George Washington's farewell address, for starters! You unreasoning hatred has created the complete delusion. Break the stronghold!!!

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Oct 6, 2015 07:54:55   #
Liberty Tree
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will never comprehend the founding of America, Doc.

They incessantly throw the "separation of church and state" in our face like it is some sort of absolute excuse to ignore our history and condemn only Christians.

Jefferson used the phrase simply to assure the Danbury Baptists that the new government would not establish a state religion, that it would not in any way influence or control the affairs of the church. It also implies the reverse, that the church would have no influence or control of government affairs. However, what is ignored is that the Constitution was framed based on the moral principles and doctrines of decency embodied in Judeo-Chistianity. The Constitution (and the DoI) reflects those principles, it does not preach them. Leftists are either unwilling or unable to make this distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness . . . " This paragraph is undeniably a Christian principle.

It must be noted that salon.com is a leftist ideologically driven hack site. The sock puppets there can't see the difference between the truth of our nation's founding and a pile of horseshit.
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will ... (show quote)


It is not that they do not believe in God but that they do not want there to be God because he is a treat to their secular humanism approach to life. They would be willing to go to heaven if only God was not there.

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Oct 6, 2015 08:36:00   #
erniebanks14
 
I am a very good Christian but of course not good enough. Only another Christian would understand what that means. As for the separation of church and state, when did I ever say the government has done that? It was put into the Constitution so the government never DOES such a thing, you know, dictate or control religion. The liberals have come up with the insane idea that the two are related and more libtards like yourself who can't make a decision on their own believe it. That's all it is.

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Oct 6, 2015 08:42:50   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
erniebanks14 wrote:
I am a very good Christian but of course not good enough. Only another Christian would understand what that means. As for the separation of church and state, when did I ever say the government has done that? It was put into the Constitution so the government never DOES such a thing, you know, dictate or control religion. The liberals have come up with the insane idea that the two are related and more libtards like yourself who can't make a decision on their own believe it. That's all it is.
I am a very good Christian but of course not good ... (show quote)


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Oct 6, 2015 08:43:25   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_religious_have_gone_insane_the_separation_of_church_and_state_and_scalia_from_his_mind/

The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state — and Scalia from his mind
A "strong and passionate" belief in God does real harm -- look no further than the GOP or the Supreme Court
JEFFREY TAYLER
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The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state -- and Scalia from his mind
(Credit: Jeff Malet, maletphotos.com/Reuters/AP/Patrick Semansky)
The headline on the News Nerd was almost too good to be true: “American Psychological Association to Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness.” A study, the story beneath it read, had led the APA to conclude that “a strong and passionate belief in a deity or higher power, to the point where it impairs one’s ability to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters, will now be classified as a mental illness.” Faith’s recurrent lethality was adduced: “Every year thousands of people die after refusing life-saving treatment on religious grounds.” Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, said the article, refuse lifesaving transfusions (on account of biblical prohibitions against the drinking of blood).

Most gratifyingly, for a rationalist, the author quoted a certain Dr. Lillian Andrews, who opined that, “Religious belief and the angry God phenomenon has caused chaos, destruction, death, and wars for centuries. The time for evolving into a modern society and classifying these archaic beliefs as a mental disorder has been long overdue.”

Finally, I thought, the educated elite is beginning to awaken to the threat that accepting, without evidence, the truth of comprehensive propositions about our cosmos (that is, religion, in all its inglorious permutations), poses to the mental health of our society!

A “strong and passionate belief” in a (nonexistent) God does our world immeasurable harm: look no further than ISIS or al-Qaida. In fact, look no further than the damage religion causes to progressive causes of every sort (and thus to our psychological well-being) in the United States, from women’s reproductive rights to same-sex marriage to teaching science in schools to depriving federal coffers of $82.5 billion a year (in tax exemptions). Consider the enrichment of all sorts of faith-charlatans who thrive off the gullibility of millions of Americans. Recall the sick “purity movements” that allow meddlesome parents to ruin the lives of their daughters.

I could go on. In any case, it was to be expected that sooner or later psychologists would catch on to the quasi-psychotic elements (including detachment from reality, belief in spirits, hearing “the voice of the Lord, and so on) inherent in religion.

But no! I was wrong! The fine-print disclaimer at the foot of the News Nerd’s page ruthlessly dispelled my elation: The story, like the others the site publishes, was “for entertainment purposes only,” and “purely satirical.” In other words, a spoof. The hour was not nigh; psychologists were not yet ready to diagnose firm belief in God as what it is: an unhealthy delusion. Men in white jumpsuits won’t be forcing the faithful into straightjackets any time soon.

(Yet would that it were so! Imagine, so many Supreme Court justices and Republican politicians, from Antonin Scalia to Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, disqualified in one fell swoop on mental health grounds from holding public office!)

In fact, religion, so potentially dangerous that the Founding Fathers established a “wall of separation” to keep it clear of our affairs of state, continues to enjoy an entirely unmerited imprimatur of respectability. Yet the satire in the News Nerd’s piece derives its efficacy from an obvious truth: belief in a deity motivates people to behave in all sorts of ways — some childish and pathetic, others harmful, a few outright criminal — most of which, to the nonbeliever at least, mimic symptoms of an all-encompassing mental illness, if of widely varying severity.

Why childish? A majority of adults in one of the most developed countries on Earth believe, in all seriousness, that an invisible, inaudible, undetectable “father” exercises parental supervision over them, protecting them from evil (except when he doesn’t), and, for the mere price of surrendering their faculty of reason and behaving in ways spelled out in various magic books, will ensure their postmortem survival. Wishful thinking characterizes childhood, yes, but, where the religious are concerned, not only. That is childish.

True, belief, say the polls, is waning, but that it persists at all, given the advances of science in the past couple of centuries, and especially since Darwin published “The Origin of Species” in 1859, does nothing if not lead a rationalist to despair. Americans, by and large, cling to their religion (and, yes, their guns). To have all the resources to begin reliably fathoming the mysteries of the universe, and yet to cast them aside for slavish fidelity to primitive fables (most of which deserve no more “reverence” than tales from the Brothers Grimm) that no one past the age of six or seven should believe . . . well, such is the very definition of pathetic.

Harmful? Let’s leave aside the mass-market megachurch “God of Love” finding little or no textual support in the Old or New Testament, and take the terrifying deity as the sacred canon depicts Him. One Bible verse alone (Nahum 1:2) describes Him as vengeful, jealous, wrathful, and furious. Or let’s take His supposedly more clement son, who orders us (says Matthew 25:41) cast into everlasting hellfire for trivial transgressions. Who benefits from the misconception that a permanent, inescapable, unimpeachable tyrant oversees our thoughts and deeds, including those of a most intimate nature? The life- and society-damaging neuroses generated by this crazed delusion afflict many of those around us. That is harmful.

But the harm is greater than that. All in all, the most pernicious constellation of rubbish misbeliefs forming the core of the Abrahamic faiths concerns women, blamed for sin itself (the “original sin”), and the Fall of all mankind. Every mainstream misogynistic superstition stems from the rotten old myth of Genesis: woman as made not in God’s image, but from one of Adam’s spare parts, and thus inferior to man. Woman as temptress, woman as unreliable, woman as “unclean.” The rest of the Old and New Testaments inculcate an array of injurious ideas: that women depreciate after their initial sexual encounter, and serve only to bear children and satisfy the lust of their mates. That they must submit to their husbands “as unto the Lord,” keep silent in church, cover their (shameful) bodies and heads, and never have authority over men. It goes without saying that none of this fosters mental health.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_religious_have... (show quote)


Imagine a world 'without" Religion!

{ ISLAM IS "NOT" RELIGION......IT IS IONSANITY}

A world without Religion, "would be", an insane world, of murderous cut-throats.....Ya know, like "islam"}! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

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Oct 6, 2015 08:48:31   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Ronald Hatt wrote:
Imagine a world 'without" Religion!

{ ISLAM IS "NOT" RELIGION......IT IS IONSANITY}

A world without Religion, "would be", an insane world, of murderous cut-throats.....Ya know, like "islam"}! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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Oct 6, 2015 09:18:21   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
SamDawkins wrote:
I am aware of that fact. I believe it was first mentioned by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the "Danbury Baptist Association ".
Probably more for political reasons than anything else.
Regardless the wall persist, and that is as it should be.



You are correct. That is as it should be. The big difference is that it should be understood - and isn't - the separation is to protect the people from the government - not the government from religion. This fact, of course, is well known by the left but the left is happy to let the reverse stand as long as they can. No liberal group or person will ever point that out. Just as you have attempted to avoid addressing it. When someone calls you on it, the common response by the left is, "Who me?" I wouldn't do anything like that.

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Oct 6, 2015 09:21:51   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
It is not that they do not believe in God but that they do not want there to be God because he is a treat to their secular humanism approach to life. They would be willing to go to heaven if only God was not there.


Liberty Tree, I think you meant "threat" not "treat". Correct?

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Oct 6, 2015 09:27:29   #
DamnYANKEE
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_religious_have_gone_insane_the_separation_of_church_and_state_and_scalia_from_his_mind/

The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state — and Scalia from his mind
A "strong and passionate" belief in God does real harm -- look no further than the GOP or the Supreme Court
JEFFREY TAYLER
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The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state -- and Scalia from his mind
(Credit: Jeff Malet, maletphotos.com/Reuters/AP/Patrick Semansky)
The headline on the News Nerd was almost too good to be true: “American Psychological Association to Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness.” A study, the story beneath it read, had led the APA to conclude that “a strong and passionate belief in a deity or higher power, to the point where it impairs one’s ability to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters, will now be classified as a mental illness.” Faith’s recurrent lethality was adduced: “Every year thousands of people die after refusing life-saving treatment on religious grounds.” Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, said the article, refuse lifesaving transfusions (on account of biblical prohibitions against the drinking of blood).

Most gratifyingly, for a rationalist, the author quoted a certain Dr. Lillian Andrews, who opined that, “Religious belief and the angry God phenomenon has caused chaos, destruction, death, and wars for centuries. The time for evolving into a modern society and classifying these archaic beliefs as a mental disorder has been long overdue.”

Finally, I thought, the educated elite is beginning to awaken to the threat that accepting, without evidence, the truth of comprehensive propositions about our cosmos (that is, religion, in all its inglorious permutations), poses to the mental health of our society!

A “strong and passionate belief” in a (nonexistent) God does our world immeasurable harm: look no further than ISIS or al-Qaida. In fact, look no further than the damage religion causes to progressive causes of every sort (and thus to our psychological well-being) in the United States, from women’s reproductive rights to same-sex marriage to teaching science in schools to depriving federal coffers of $82.5 billion a year (in tax exemptions). Consider the enrichment of all sorts of faith-charlatans who thrive off the gullibility of millions of Americans. Recall the sick “purity movements” that allow meddlesome parents to ruin the lives of their daughters.

I could go on. In any case, it was to be expected that sooner or later psychologists would catch on to the quasi-psychotic elements (including detachment from reality, belief in spirits, hearing “the voice of the Lord, and so on) inherent in religion.

But no! I was wrong! The fine-print disclaimer at the foot of the News Nerd’s page ruthlessly dispelled my elation: The story, like the others the site publishes, was “for entertainment purposes only,” and “purely satirical.” In other words, a spoof. The hour was not nigh; psychologists were not yet ready to diagnose firm belief in God as what it is: an unhealthy delusion. Men in white jumpsuits won’t be forcing the faithful into straightjackets any time soon.

(Yet would that it were so! Imagine, so many Supreme Court justices and Republican politicians, from Antonin Scalia to Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, disqualified in one fell swoop on mental health grounds from holding public office!)

In fact, religion, so potentially dangerous that the Founding Fathers established a “wall of separation” to keep it clear of our affairs of state, continues to enjoy an entirely unmerited imprimatur of respectability. Yet the satire in the News Nerd’s piece derives its efficacy from an obvious truth: belief in a deity motivates people to behave in all sorts of ways — some childish and pathetic, others harmful, a few outright criminal — most of which, to the nonbeliever at least, mimic symptoms of an all-encompassing mental illness, if of widely varying severity.

Why childish? A majority of adults in one of the most developed countries on Earth believe, in all seriousness, that an invisible, inaudible, undetectable “father” exercises parental supervision over them, protecting them from evil (except when he doesn’t), and, for the mere price of surrendering their faculty of reason and behaving in ways spelled out in various magic books, will ensure their postmortem survival. Wishful thinking characterizes childhood, yes, but, where the religious are concerned, not only. That is childish.

True, belief, say the polls, is waning, but that it persists at all, given the advances of science in the past couple of centuries, and especially since Darwin published “The Origin of Species” in 1859, does nothing if not lead a rationalist to despair. Americans, by and large, cling to their religion (and, yes, their guns). To have all the resources to begin reliably fathoming the mysteries of the universe, and yet to cast them aside for slavish fidelity to primitive fables (most of which deserve no more “reverence” than tales from the Brothers Grimm) that no one past the age of six or seven should believe . . . well, such is the very definition of pathetic.

Harmful? Let’s leave aside the mass-market megachurch “God of Love” finding little or no textual support in the Old or New Testament, and take the terrifying deity as the sacred canon depicts Him. One Bible verse alone (Nahum 1:2) describes Him as vengeful, jealous, wrathful, and furious. Or let’s take His supposedly more clement son, who orders us (says Matthew 25:41) cast into everlasting hellfire for trivial transgressions. Who benefits from the misconception that a permanent, inescapable, unimpeachable tyrant oversees our thoughts and deeds, including those of a most intimate nature? The life- and society-damaging neuroses generated by this crazed delusion afflict many of those around us. That is harmful.

But the harm is greater than that. All in all, the most pernicious constellation of rubbish misbeliefs forming the core of the Abrahamic faiths concerns women, blamed for sin itself (the “original sin”), and the Fall of all mankind. Every mainstream misogynistic superstition stems from the rotten old myth of Genesis: woman as made not in God’s image, but from one of Adam’s spare parts, and thus inferior to man. Woman as temptress, woman as unreliable, woman as “unclean.” The rest of the Old and New Testaments inculcate an array of injurious ideas: that women depreciate after their initial sexual encounter, and serve only to bear children and satisfy the lust of their mates. That they must submit to their husbands “as unto the Lord,” keep silent in church, cover their (shameful) bodies and heads, and never have authority over men. It goes without saying that none of this fosters mental health.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_religious_have... (show quote)


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: BULLSHIT :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Oct 6, 2015 09:30:40   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will never comprehend the founding of America, Doc.

They incessantly throw the "separation of church and state" in our face like it is some sort of absolute excuse to ignore our history and condemn only Christians.

Jefferson used the phrase simply to assure the Danbury Baptists that the new government would not establish a state religion, that it would not in any way influence or control the affairs of the church. It also implies the reverse, that the church would have no influence or control of government affairs. However, what is ignored is that the Constitution was framed based on the moral principles and doctrines of decency embodied in Judeo-Chistianity. The Constitution (and the DoI) reflects those principles, it does not preach them. Leftists are either unwilling or unable to make this distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness . . . " This paragraph is undeniably a Christian principle.

It must be noted that salon.com is a leftist ideologically driven hack site. The sock puppets there can't see the difference between the truth of our nation's founding and a pile of horseshit.
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will ... (show quote)

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Oct 6, 2015 09:36:10   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will never comprehend the founding of America, Doc.

They incessantly throw the "separation of church and state" in our face like it is some sort of absolute excuse to ignore our history and condemn only Christians.

Jefferson used the phrase simply to assure the Danbury Baptists that the new government would not establish a state religion, that it would not in any way influence or control the affairs of the church. It also implies the reverse, that the church would have no influence or control of government affairs. However, what is ignored is that the Constitution was framed based on the moral principles and doctrines of decency embodied in Judeo-Chistianity. The Constitution (and the DoI) reflects those principles, it does not preach them. Leftists are either unwilling or unable to make this distinction.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness . . . " This paragraph is undeniably a Christian principle.

It must be noted that salon.com is a leftist ideologically driven hack site. The sock puppets there can't see the difference between the truth of our nation's founding and a pile of horseshit.
Atheists like Dawkins (both Sam and Richard) will ... (show quote)


The substantial history lesson is fine and dandy, but we need to deal with the Here and Now. Arguing over the founders' intentions from a couple hundred years ago does not help us to do this. So what will?

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Oct 6, 2015 09:47:38   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
SamDawkins wrote:
Well Hello erniebanks! So nice to meet you. You seem like such a good Christian. Demonstrating all that love and kindness, and tolerance. LOL!

Your understanding of the 1st amendment is ....childish. The government has never indicated that it ever wanted to run a church.

Also I cannot dislike what I don't think exists. Just like I cannot be jealous of something that I don't think exists.



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Oct 6, 2015 10:00:30   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_religious_have_gone_insane_the_separation_of_church_and_state_and_scalia_from_his_mind/

The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state — and Scalia from his mind
A "strong and passionate" belief in God does real harm -- look no further than the GOP or the Supreme Court
JEFFREY TAYLER
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The religious have gone insane: The separation of church and state -- and Scalia from his mind
(Credit: Jeff Malet, maletphotos.com/Reuters/AP/Patrick Semansky)
The headline on the News Nerd was almost too good to be true: “American Psychological Association to Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness.” A study, the story beneath it read, had led the APA to conclude that “a strong and passionate belief in a deity or higher power, to the point where it impairs one’s ability to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters, will now be classified as a mental illness.” Faith’s recurrent lethality was adduced: “Every year thousands of people die after refusing life-saving treatment on religious grounds.” Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, said the article, refuse lifesaving transfusions (on account of biblical prohibitions against the drinking of blood).

Most gratifyingly, for a rationalist, the author quoted a certain Dr. Lillian Andrews, who opined that, “Religious belief and the angry God phenomenon has caused chaos, destruction, death, and wars for centuries. The time for evolving into a modern society and classifying these archaic beliefs as a mental disorder has been long overdue.”

Finally, I thought, the educated elite is beginning to awaken to the threat that accepting, without evidence, the truth of comprehensive propositions about our cosmos (that is, religion, in all its inglorious permutations), poses to the mental health of our society!

A “strong and passionate belief” in a (nonexistent) God does our world immeasurable harm: look no further than ISIS or al-Qaida. In fact, look no further than the damage religion causes to progressive causes of every sort (and thus to our psychological well-being) in the United States, from women’s reproductive rights to same-sex marriage to teaching science in schools to depriving federal coffers of $82.5 billion a year (in tax exemptions). Consider the enrichment of all sorts of faith-charlatans who thrive off the gullibility of millions of Americans. Recall the sick “purity movements” that allow meddlesome parents to ruin the lives of their daughters.

I could go on. In any case, it was to be expected that sooner or later psychologists would catch on to the quasi-psychotic elements (including detachment from reality, belief in spirits, hearing “the voice of the Lord, and so on) inherent in religion.

But no! I was wrong! The fine-print disclaimer at the foot of the News Nerd’s page ruthlessly dispelled my elation: The story, like the others the site publishes, was “for entertainment purposes only,” and “purely satirical.” In other words, a spoof. The hour was not nigh; psychologists were not yet ready to diagnose firm belief in God as what it is: an unhealthy delusion. Men in white jumpsuits won’t be forcing the faithful into straightjackets any time soon.

(Yet would that it were so! Imagine, so many Supreme Court justices and Republican politicians, from Antonin Scalia to Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, disqualified in one fell swoop on mental health grounds from holding public office!)

In fact, religion, so potentially dangerous that the Founding Fathers established a “wall of separation” to keep it clear of our affairs of state, continues to enjoy an entirely unmerited imprimatur of respectability. Yet the satire in the News Nerd’s piece derives its efficacy from an obvious truth: belief in a deity motivates people to behave in all sorts of ways — some childish and pathetic, others harmful, a few outright criminal — most of which, to the nonbeliever at least, mimic symptoms of an all-encompassing mental illness, if of widely varying severity.

Why childish? A majority of adults in one of the most developed countries on Earth believe, in all seriousness, that an invisible, inaudible, undetectable “father” exercises parental supervision over them, protecting them from evil (except when he doesn’t), and, for the mere price of surrendering their faculty of reason and behaving in ways spelled out in various magic books, will ensure their postmortem survival. Wishful thinking characterizes childhood, yes, but, where the religious are concerned, not only. That is childish.

True, belief, say the polls, is waning, but that it persists at all, given the advances of science in the past couple of centuries, and especially since Darwin published “The Origin of Species” in 1859, does nothing if not lead a rationalist to despair. Americans, by and large, cling to their religion (and, yes, their guns). To have all the resources to begin reliably fathoming the mysteries of the universe, and yet to cast them aside for slavish fidelity to primitive fables (most of which deserve no more “reverence” than tales from the Brothers Grimm) that no one past the age of six or seven should believe . . . well, such is the very definition of pathetic.

Harmful? Let’s leave aside the mass-market megachurch “God of Love” finding little or no textual support in the Old or New Testament, and take the terrifying deity as the sacred canon depicts Him. One Bible verse alone (Nahum 1:2) describes Him as vengeful, jealous, wrathful, and furious. Or let’s take His supposedly more clement son, who orders us (says Matthew 25:41) cast into everlasting hellfire for trivial transgressions. Who benefits from the misconception that a permanent, inescapable, unimpeachable tyrant oversees our thoughts and deeds, including those of a most intimate nature? The life- and society-damaging neuroses generated by this crazed delusion afflict many of those around us. That is harmful.

But the harm is greater than that. All in all, the most pernicious constellation of rubbish misbeliefs forming the core of the Abrahamic faiths concerns women, blamed for sin itself (the “original sin”), and the Fall of all mankind. Every mainstream misogynistic superstition stems from the rotten old myth of Genesis: woman as made not in God’s image, but from one of Adam’s spare parts, and thus inferior to man. Woman as temptress, woman as unreliable, woman as “unclean.” The rest of the Old and New Testaments inculcate an array of injurious ideas: that women depreciate after their initial sexual encounter, and serve only to bear children and satisfy the lust of their mates. That they must submit to their husbands “as unto the Lord,” keep silent in church, cover their (shameful) bodies and heads, and never have authority over men. It goes without saying that none of this fosters mental health.
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Sam , your constant post to criticize religion is interesting and revealing ,perhaps you are in a search for GOD and Questioning the world around you . Good luck with that but you just might find the awnser for yourself , any way try a little prayer and keep an open mind to the possibility .

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