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Nov 3, 2013 08:51:12   #
river_euphrates
 
Even if that were true - I guess that shoots a few holes in your 'The media is controlled by Democrats and liberals theory...

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Nov 3, 2013 08:52:22   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
banjojack wrote:
Libealism, in it's nascent form, was largely the brainchild of English philosopher John Locke, who advocated limited government, great personal freedom, and what many selectively ignore, the great personal responsibility that is it's concomitant. His writings influenced many of our founders. Curiously, his opponents, who were advocates of a stronger, more powerful central government, were then known as "conservatives." Even today, in much of Europe, "liberal" is one who advocates Locke's version, unlike in the US, where "Liberal" is synonymous with "Socialist." Over time, meanings and definitions change.
Libealism, in it's nascent form, was largely the b... (show quote)



VV, now you've really confused many. While acknowledging the veracity of your statements, they're likely to be confusing to those who see things in black and white.

I won't bring up "libealism". It's early in the day!

:mrgreen:

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Nov 3, 2013 09:14:22   #
zonkedout1 Loc: Wyoming
 
banjojack wrote:
There was a faction that advocated for a stronger central government, and one that advocated against it. You could make a case that the "States Rights" advocates were the original "Statists." Was it Hamilton or Hancock who favored a stronger central government? I'm having one of my blank moments here.


Hamilton advocated for a stronger centralized bank. It could also be argued that the first federalists were anti federal.

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Nov 3, 2013 10:16:14   #
RussD
 
kegler299 wrote:
It must be you! Liberals would never admit that our forefathers were right-wingers! :-D :-D


because they weren't.
in the politics of the time, right wingers were Tory monarchists. The radical left of the 1700's thought they could create a democracy with no hereditary offices. That was the Occupy of it's day.
The Tea Party was not a demonstration against taxes, it was against lack of representation. "no taxation without representation" ring a bell?

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Nov 3, 2013 12:24:44   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
kegler299 wrote:
I believe you are conflating liberal with liberationists. They wanted minimum government that worked for the people not just liberation. Their actions and attitudes would today be right-wing.


Back a few posts ago, the Ghost is right, back in the 1700 the conservatives would have been Tories who want England to be in control. They fled to Canada or kept a low profile for the duration of the war...

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Nov 3, 2013 12:40:38   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Fox News is not news; it is entertainment, meaning Hannity, O'Reilly and such. Like limbugh, what excites is alone relevant. Get the base riled up. Spin it to turn their heads and hearts against Obama and for nothing but against Obama. No ideals and values, no principles and goals, just as Mitch McConnell said, the purpose is to make Obama a one term president. OOOOPPPPsss


More left-wing gibberish. It's obvious you have never watched or listened to these programs, at least more than one show. If you had you wouldn't be saying this liberal opinionated garbage.

And, like Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Durbin, Schummer, et al don't get their base fired up! Yeah, right!

Every time the libs try and counter with their own program or network, no one watches or listens to it...kind tells you some thing.

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Nov 3, 2013 17:18:49   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
lone_ghost wrote:
Hmmm, our forefathers were not right wingers. By definition they were all liberals since they wished to liberate us from the tyrannical rule of England. That said, the liberalism of our forefathers was very different from what we call liberals today who are social liberals. There was no right wing left wing back then. Just FYI.

that is the best post i've heard yet on this forum. the same exact statement can be found in the cult novel...expect no help: the life and times of jumpin` jack flash...common sense from an uncommon source

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Nov 3, 2013 23:44:34   #
k9
 
I didn't know there was any inteligent politians in washington.
Its for damn sure, OBOZO is very intelligent witih alla the freaking lies he tells and how he changes all the laws to suit him

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Nov 3, 2013 23:45:46   #
k9
 
I didn't know there was any inteligent politians in washington.
Its for damn sure, OBOZO isn't very intelligent witih all the freaking lies he tells and how he changes all the laws to suit him

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Nov 3, 2013 23:48:26   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
k9 wrote:
I didn't know there was any inteligent politians in washington.
Its for damn sure, OBOZO isn't very intelligent witih all the freaking lies he tells and how he changes all the laws to suit him


this...he will pay for!

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