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Sep 13, 2015 23:26:54   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
gynojunkie wrote:
Clearly, you are much more comfortable with rebuke and jape than with the logarithmically more difficult process of inquiry about things that do not add up--but which gave FedGov heretofor untold white budget, black budget and 'invisible' budgetary authority.

"OMG! Terror is coming! Save us! We'll give you anything, give up all of our rights; just save us!!!"

Sad.


Reality "Trumps" fiction any day.

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Sep 13, 2015 23:31:37   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
gynojunkie wrote:
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If YOU understood the nature of steel you might give more thought as to why there were collections of still-molten, red hot & glowing pools of steel in the WTC wreckage weeks after the event.

My brother, NYPD, was posted there for some months afterwards and he saw this stuff and discussed it with FDNY and with some of the demolition people there to remove the slag.

None of them knew what was going on--except that it was not something that any of them had seen in all their years of dealing with structures.

Also, in keeping with the theoreticals of the OP's video, many of these same cops, FD & engineers remarked constantly while at the WTC wreckage, "where did it all go?" You see, given the mass of each building, where in the blue fcuk was that mass after the collapses? Because, it wasn't in the wreckage.

Nor was the essentially undamaged antenna complex in the wreckage either. We all watched it falling--tilted over a bit as it accelerated. But--apparently--IT NEVER LANDED.

Buildings that collapse DO NOT turn to dust. 'Cept those that we often see during controlled demos. And antennas made of steel, aluminum and composites do not disappear into thin air.

Except on 9/11/2001.

Curiouser and curiouser.
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The CIA had those Aliens from outer space come and beam up everything. In fact, the Aliens PAID the evil Santa's elves to set up sticky bombs in everyone's shoes. Those Bombs had a Alien timer undectable by any technology known to mankind. So all these "shoe bombs" went off at the same time, while listening to Lawrence Welk music. Sounds about right to me, best conspiracy theory yet!

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Sep 14, 2015 00:37:27   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Yes, there was melted steel at WTC. Since normal fires can't melt steel, that indicates either thermite or mini nukes melted the steel. The steel wasn't the only thing melted. The entire concrete foundation of the towers was melted to the point it looked like a lava flow.
I see you've been granted another furlough from the asylum. What was it this time? Good behavior? BJs? Or, were the staff just really tired of your bullsh!t?

Anyone with an elementary study of physics understands that an increase in pressure results in temperature (energy) increase. The potential energy contained in one tower (600,000 tons) was enormous.

The gravitational potential energy of an object is the energy it takes to raise it to a certain height, or the energy obtained by letting it fall. The formula is U = mgh. U is the standard symbol for potential energy, m is mass in kilograms, g is the gravitational acceleration of the earth and h is the height in meters. Energy is in joules. One watt is one joule per second, and a joule is roughly the energy needed to raise one pound one foot.

For the World Trade Centers, the towers were 400 meters high and their mass was 600,000 tons or 600 million kilograms. So the total gravitational potential energy in one tower was 6 x 108 kg x 9.8 m/sec2 x 400 m x 1/2. The factor of 1/2 comes from the fact that some mass fell 400 meters and some fell only a short distance, and the overall result is as if it all fell the average distance. So we have U = 1.2 x 1012 joules. A kiloton is 4.2 x 1012 joules, so the gravitational potential energy is about a quarter of a kiloton or 280 tons of high explosive, per tower.

The planes that hit the towers were Boeing 767-200's, with a loaded mass of about 140,000 kg. They impacted at about 600 km/hour or 167 m/sec. So their kinetic energy was K = 1/2 mv2 = 1/2 x 140,000 x 1672 = 2 x 109 joules.

The basic 767-200 has a fuel capacity of 63,000 liters, and accounting for fuel burned before impact, call it 50,000 liters. Jet fuel has an energy content of about 35 million joules per liter. So the energy content of the fuel on each plane was 1.75 x 1012 joules or about 0.4 kiloton. An appreciable amount of that energy would have been released explosively, the rest during the fires following impact.

The energy from the collapse of one tower would have been roughly equivalent to a magnitude 3.5+ earthquake and the energy from the plane impacts somewhat less, depending on how much fuel exploded on impact. The impacts of the planes themselves would have been only a small part of the total energy released. The actual observed magnitudes were less because not all the energy was converted into seismic waves.


Stands to reason that as the kinetic energy in the mass of the tower as it accelerated during collapse would generate temperatures far above the melting temps of steel. Not a "normal fire" by any stretch.

"Thermite"? "Missiles"? "Mini-nukes"? "UFOs and Death Rays"? "Cosmic vibrations"? "Black holes"? Or, is this all the SciFi fanaticism of a little boy trapped in a man's body whose mommy never breast fed him?

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Sep 14, 2015 02:39:54   #
Scoop Henderson Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Here we go again with the new conspiracy. If you understand the nature of steel when heated it blows your BS out of the water. Mini nukes what a joke


Less than 500 F. Search the cubic volume of concrete and weight of steel for one floor. Then, calculate heat rise assuming a perfect burn with 4,000 gallons of kerosene. The lying sacks of scat Govermin duped us.

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Sep 14, 2015 04:39:49   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Scoop Henderson wrote:
Less than 500 F. Search the cubic volume of concrete and weight of steel for one floor. Then, calculate heat rise assuming a perfect burn with 4,000 gallons of kerosene. The lying sacks of scat Govermin duped us.
Man, you guys gotta lay off those outer space video games.

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Sep 14, 2015 07:38:21   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Kevyn wrote:
No, two passenger jets were flown into the sides of the buildings delivering an enormous ammount of fuel over a number of floors, winds then built the temperature of fire to the point that the structural steel that had been stripped of insulation failed in the high temperature. The building collapse was a textbook pancake collapse where the structure below cannot withstand the kinetic energy the tremendous weight of all of the derbies moving down rapidly from above. It appears you are overdue for some more electro shock therapy.
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Kevyn this is the first comment I've seen you post that is spot on !

There might be some hope for you yet ! :mrgreen:

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Sep 14, 2015 08:13:01   #
rebob14
 
I was within a stones-throw of the 2nd plane and can assure you that the only things "thrown" at those buildings were innocent people!!

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Sep 14, 2015 08:29:43   #
payne1000
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Steel will bend and deform when under a load at 400 degrees. So stop the foolish talk your better off sticking to your IRS scandal and that was great we spent $28 million tax payer $ to find out that Lois Learner was a democrat.


Why did all the steel-framed skyscrapers which burned much longer and much hotter remain standing?







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Sep 14, 2015 08:38:14   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why did all the steel-framed skyscrapers which burned much longer and much hotter remain standing?


Difference in construction !

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Sep 14, 2015 08:49:30   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I see you've been granted another furlough from the asylum. What was it this time? Good behavior? BJs? Or, were the staff just really tired of your bullsh!t?

Anyone with an elementary study of physics understands that an increase in pressure results in temperature (energy) increase. The potential energy contained in one tower (600,000 tons) was enormous.

The gravitational potential energy of an object is the energy it takes to raise it to a certain height, or the energy obtained by letting it fall. The formula is U = mgh. U is the standard symbol for potential energy, m is mass in kilograms, g is the gravitational acceleration of the earth and h is the height in meters. Energy is in joules. One watt is one joule per second, and a joule is roughly the energy needed to raise one pound one foot.

For the World Trade Centers, the towers were 400 meters high and their mass was 600,000 tons or 600 million kilograms. So the total gravitational potential energy in one tower was 6 x 108 kg x 9.8 m/sec2 x 400 m x 1/2. The factor of 1/2 comes from the fact that some mass fell 400 meters and some fell only a short distance, and the overall result is as if it all fell the average distance. So we have U = 1.2 x 1012 joules. A kiloton is 4.2 x 1012 joules, so the gravitational potential energy is about a quarter of a kiloton or 280 tons of high explosive, per tower.

The planes that hit the towers were Boeing 767-200's, with a loaded mass of about 140,000 kg. They impacted at about 600 km/hour or 167 m/sec. So their kinetic energy was K = 1/2 mv2 = 1/2 x 140,000 x 1672 = 2 x 109 joules.

The basic 767-200 has a fuel capacity of 63,000 liters, and accounting for fuel burned before impact, call it 50,000 liters. Jet fuel has an energy content of about 35 million joules per liter. So the energy content of the fuel on each plane was 1.75 x 1012 joules or about 0.4 kiloton. An appreciable amount of that energy would have been released explosively, the rest during the fires following impact.

The energy from the collapse of one tower would have been roughly equivalent to a magnitude 3.5+ earthquake and the energy from the plane impacts somewhat less, depending on how much fuel exploded on impact. The impacts of the planes themselves would have been only a small part of the total energy released. The actual observed magnitudes were less because not all the energy was converted into seismic waves.


Stands to reason that as the kinetic energy in the mass of the tower as it accelerated during collapse would generate temperatures far above the melting temps of steel. Not a "normal fire" by any stretch.

"Thermite"? "Missiles"? "Mini-nukes"? "UFOs and Death Rays"? "Cosmic vibrations"? "Black holes"? Or, is this all the SciFi fanaticism of a little boy trapped in a man's body whose mommy never breast fed him?
I see you've been granted another furlough from th... (show quote)


I must assume from your absence of any knowledge of the laws of science and physics that you are still breast feeding.
Steel framed skyscrapers cannot fall through the resistance that has held them up for over half a century at free fall speed. Three steel-framed skyscrapers cannot fall from fire damage on the same day when none have in the 100-year history of skyscrapers. Watch this video and tell me where you see any fire as the Tower comes down?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDoGuLpirc
Multiple and rapid explosions are visible but no fire to be seen anywhere.

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Sep 14, 2015 08:52:47   #
payne1000
 
4430 wrote:
Difference in construction !


Steel framework is steel framework. It reacts to fire in the same manner. The North Tower caught fire on the 11th floor in 1975 and burned twice as long as on 9/11. The steel wasn't damaged and needed no replacement.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_1975_fire.html

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Sep 14, 2015 09:04:42   #
payne1000
 
archie bunker wrote:
Yeah, you are a smart guy! You know shit because you read about it. I got it professor.


I can figure out what makes sense.

I see you're in Texas. Are you employed by Turner Construction Company who is headquartered in Texas?

"Turner Construction, who supervised the 2000 demolition of the Seattle Kingdome, participated in the post-9/11 Ground Zero clean-up and performed extensive renovations within the World Trade Center towers just prior to 9/11, was in fact performing unspecified renovation work throughout the WTC complex until the very morning of September 11, 2001. The Port Authority of NY/NJ now claims that records describing such work or other projects were destroyed on September 11, 2001. A December 2000 WTC property assessment described required renovation work to be completed within one year, upon steel columns within elevator shafts of both WTC towers that was immediately pending or already underway."

http://911blogger.com/node/19889

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Sep 14, 2015 09:10:26   #
sissymary
 
Kevyn, explain how a few simple office fires could pan cake/collapse building #7? And the jet fuel burst was for only about a few seconds at most. Not nearly enough time to do any real damage, let alone melt steel to the point it is literally pouring out of the side of the building. Get a grip and get a life. You won't believe the truth because you can't. You will not let yourself ever believe that our so called government could do this to it's own people. Put on your walking shoes and get ready for the death march to the FEMA camps. It's coming, and it's sooner than you think!

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Sep 14, 2015 09:15:19   #
sissymary
 
4430 wrote:
Difference in construction !
Oh please, get a life. One of those building was in India. Do you really think a building in India was built stronger and better than the W.T.C buildings? Come on. Now your just grasping at straws!

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Sep 14, 2015 09:27:04   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
4430 wrote:
Difference in construction !
You're telling me that every single structure is not exactly the same? - That's CRAZY talk.

Want more crazy talk? - It's not uncommon for FUEL to burn hotter than office furniture.. That's one of the reasons wood-fueled jumbo jets aren't so common.

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