son of witless

Merriam-Webster definition-Collectivism: " a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control "

Those of us raised in the midst of the Cold War were taught about Communism. It was the political theory of our enemies the Soviets. The practical examples of Soviet collectivism were the collective farms. From an economic view these were a disaster. The period of 1929-1933 was a period of famine and death directly caused by Stalin's collectivization of farming.

However, from Stalin's viewpoint the collective farms were a great success. He annihilated the Kulaks who had owned the private farms. Stalin succeeded in asserting his power in the countryside.

In the 1950s and 1960s Chairman Mao also collectivized farming with not much better results.

In both cases control was more important than economic results.

This brings us to President Obama. What are we to make of his takeover of Medical care in the US by way of Obamacare? Following in the footsteps of the great Marxists who came before, President Barak Hussein Obama has collectivized the Health Care industry in the United States.

As with the collective farms in Russia and China it is not about results. It is about power.

EconomistDon

Scary and very annoying. But we have a huge advantage over those examples -- Obama is a short-timer. When his skinny butt is out of the White House, we can fix things.

CounterRevolutionary

Yes. starve out the belligerents. The Public Option scares me to death. Gov. Scott Walker is addressing an alternative free market solution, opening up interstate commerce to purchase an insurance policy of our free choice.

The false promises of redistributing the wealth by government seizing it all and keeping it never ceases to amaze me. How do people bite this bait every time? Take a look at this article of the rampant advance of communism in Latin America:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3188071/posts
Resurgent Communism in Latin America
"The United States is likely one of the largest financiers of the leftist movements in Latin America, whether intentionally or not. Half of Venezuela’s oil is sold to the United States, for example, while Chavez uses his petrodollars to help finance the socialist revolution throughout the region..."

This is our foreign policy? Not one more dime of aid to this stupidity. Why is America always backing the wrong horse? Honestly, we cannot take in a billion refugees and there are a lot of unhappy people all over the world.

Who has the brains to straighten this mess out? Ideas please?

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The healthcare system has been under the control of the bean counters for all of the 20th century and much of this century. That's why I couldn't understand the angst the ACA caused so many people. Those who had insurance, were often told which Doctors and which facilities to get care from. Everyone's insurance required "prior authorization" for many procedures and some procedures were outright denied.

Many hospitals require cash deposits before treatment. Many Doctors will not treat anyone without insurance, or who cannot present evidence of "ability to pay". Insurance companies tell you what you will pay and what they will pay the providers. Doctors and facilities order tests and treatments - according to what your insurance plan will/will not pay for. All this - and you still thought that your healthcare was up to YOU, or your Doctor?

Nearly every State requires automotive insurance, as a prerequisite to registration. Home lenders require homeowners insurance and property tax payments, as part of the mortgage contract. So, a Government agency requiring insurance to be purchased - is a time honored tradition - so what the real problem is?

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

The Government isn't an Insurance company. It was sold with lies, it was shoved down the throats of the American people against their wishes. It is not worth the paper its printed on because it has been illegally changed by obama 30 something times...It was illegally rewritten by a supreme court justice instead of it being voted down and sent back to the authors to make the proper corrections....

MajorAhrens Loc: Myrtle Beach

If Obamacare was such a successful program there would be no need to force it on Americans. Many Dr's refuse to even accept that garbage. So I'd really like to know how this bloated government policy is of any use?

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

You're only trying to differentiate between white corn and yellow corn - as though there's an appreciable difference. It appears that your problem with the ACA, is not so much on it's content, but on who's name got attached to it. I bet, when Mitt Romney proposed the very same thing, you were ok with it.

The REAL problem with the ACA, is not that it is Government mandated ( since I've already pointed out that such mandates are standard operating procedures for Governments ), but that it didn't go far enough. Far enough to rein in the pharmaceutical companies and the other healthcare thieves - who are stealing us blind - with or without insurance.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

:lol:

PeterS

How has the healthcare industry been Collectivized? Why the hell do I have to pay anything when I see a doctor?

PeterS

Nicely put Lpn! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

MarvinSussman

Reagan said the same thing about Medicare.

PeterS

When have conservatives ever fixed anything much less something as complex as healthcare? Do you think the big insurance and pharmaceutical companies are going to let conservatives do anything--they are the ones who pushed for this to begin with!

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

I will take that bet because you are wrong and Mitt Romney did not propose it for the country, in fact he said it was a state thing and up to individual states to decide if it was right for them or not,,,jeeze you guys twist everything!!

You are right however that the pharmaceutical companies and others have been allowed to rob us blind...the cause of which is directly connected to greedy government officials who get paid big bucks from big money lobbyist who represent those companies.
I say cut off the head of the snake and severely restrict lobbing, then remove all the laws that restrict free trade in this country and allow competition, also support HSA's, restore Medicaid/Medicare and make it available to those that can't afford insurance...

Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas

"...Half of Venezuela’s oil is sold to the United States, for example, while Chavez uses his petrodollars to help finance the socialist revolution throughout the region..."

Bulletin! Bulletin! This just in, Hugo Chavez is dead. He died 5 March 2013 (aged 58).

Ve'hoe

The "Govt" has power the "Civilian Business" does not,,,,, and those powers are NOT enumerated in that constitution ,,,, thing....therefore unconstitutional.....