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Jul 29, 2015 03:54:20   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
payne1000 wrote:
Are American patriots expected to overlook the atrocities committed by the U.S. military?
That must be the conditioning you get as a Zionist. You are required to overlook the atrocities Israel commits because they commit them every day against the Palestinians.


Perhaps the Palestinians should consider stop lobbing hundreds of missiles into Israel. Lest we forget during the last several cease fires,,, each time they Broke it by way of hundreds of missiles. Then setting up launch sites in housing areas, schools, and only after continuing receiving hundreds, and hundreds of missiles and killing jews was Israel forces to fire back at the sites in self defense. Yet the media sells it as Israel firing into housing developments, conveniently leaving the restraint Israel had for months, all the while receiving deadly missile attacks daily.
Oh how the lies continue....until they become true.
Just like the lie that Palestinians are actually a real people, and such a land as Palestine exist. All made up after Israel became a nation.....Pre that no such people or land exist.

Do you even know how zionist began? How, who they are? And why?

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Jul 29, 2015 03:57:44   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
There are a lot of Muslim states and anti semites in Europe. Now you know why Israel is necessary!


Ah, one who speaks the truth. Europe. ...and Russia mainly, but world wide anti-Semitism.

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Jul 29, 2015 04:05:15   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
payne1000 wrote:
Saltwind, please show readers where the borders of the Palestinian state will be.


They never previously existed so how can they lose land? Palestinians are invented by hostel Arabs, post 1948.

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Jul 29, 2015 04:07:23   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Scoop Henderson wrote:
Wow. Check the 1947 map. The nomadic Jewish tribe is occupying Palestine.


Get your facts...Scoop.

Birth of Zionism

The first of these organizations was called "Hoveve Zion," or "Lovers of Zion." This was a worldwide movement to promote interest in Jewish settlement in Palestine.

The second organization was a small group named "Bilu," composed of people who actually went to Palestine and began to work the land in spite of the objections of the Turks. The circumstances were very difficult and the settlements that were started were not economically successful. They were taken under the protection and assistance of Baron Edmund DeRothschild. In this way they survived.

The move among the Jews to return to their land, the stirring of the dry bones, was a small affair for more than a dozen years. In 1895, however, a dramatic event set one man's heart afire for the cause of Zionism. His name was Theodor Herzl.

Herzl, a Jewish Austrian newspaperman, had come to Paris to cover the public humiliation of Alfred Dreyfus, a French soldier convicted of collaboration with Germany. Dreyfus, a Jew, seemed the perfect example of one who had assimilated into the European culture and society, overcoming race and religion barriers. Having attended a famous military academy in France, he had received the rank of captain. Now he was accused of giving French military information to the German military attaché at Paris. Despite scanty evidence, a secret court-martial condemned Dreyfus to public humiliation and life imprisonment on Devil's Island. The case has gone down in history as a miscarriage of French justice.

The public humiliation of Dreyfus took place in January of 1895. Theodor Herzl stood with the crowd and heard them begin to cry, "Kill the traitor, kill the Jew." As the Jewish writer listened to the screams of the mob, a shock wave rolled through his entire being. Herzl heard that same crowd in effect crying for his blood, since he was also a Jew.

Walking away from the spectacle, Theodor Herzl was a broken man. Like Dreyfus, he had lived in comfort and had almost forgotten the persecutions of his people and the barriers that had existed between Jews and Gentiles through the centuries. Now he understood that those barriers still remained, that hatred for Jews was still real, and that all Jews were in jeopardy wherever they found themselves in the world. This awful awakening sent Herzl into seclusion to write a book that would shake the world and play an important role in establishing the State of Israel.

Herzl's book was a one-hundred-page work entitled: Der Judenstaat -- The Jewish State. The book began: "The Jews who will it shall have a state of their own."

In 1897, two years after the publication of his book, Theodor Herzl called the first World Zionist Congress to session in Basle, Switzerland. The meeting was held in a gambling casino. The name of those determined to bring about the return to their land would now be "Zionists," so named for Mount Zion in Palestine. Herzl was elected the international executive. A Jewish fund was established as well as a land bank to make it possible to purchase land in Palestine. A flag was chosen. The colors were white and blue for the colors of the tallith prayer shawl, and "Hatikvah" (The Hope) was designated as a national anthem.

At the conclusion of that first Zionist Congress, Herzl wrote in his diary, "I have founded the Jewish state. If I were to say so today, people would laugh at me, but in five years' time, certainly in fifty years, it will be seen that I was right." (On November 29, 1947, almost fifty years after Herzl wrote the words, the General Assembly of the United Nations by a majority vote made the birth of the State of Israel legally possible. In May of 1948, the nation was born.)

The new leader of Zionism exhausted himself in the cause to which he was committed. During the next eight years he met with many of the world's statesmen. This leader of a homeless people had a vision of a modern-day exodus. He dreamed not of straggling groups finding their way back to the Jewish homeland, but rather of great companies of Jews settling in their land and prospering there.

Herzl spent much of his early effort seeking sponsoring nations among the European powers. His first thought was of Germany and he wooed Wilhelm II. Finding no help there, he turned to England. In 1903, one year before Herzl's death, the British offered the Jews the country of Uganda as a place to settle. Although the Jews rejected this African area, England's offer gave official recognition to the Jewish right of a homeland. Herzl counted that a great victory.

Shortly after the turn of the century, increased persecution in Russia sent many immigrants to Palestine. Herzl's work was bearing fruit. Among these Jewish settlers was a young man named David Green from Plonsk, a Polish town northwest of Warsaw. His father, an attorney, had been an avid Zionist and young Green had listened enthusiastically as his father discussed the merits of Zionism with his friends.

David Green was not content to simply debate the issues. He longed to live in Israel and had come there to contribute to the establishment of that nation. In their book, O Jerusalem, Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre write that young Green found Jerusalem like a modern tower of Babel, with Jews speaking forty different languages and half of them unable to communicate with the other half.

Changing his name to David Ben-Gurion, this young immigrant became the editor of a Zionist trade union paper committed to the revival of the Hebrew language. After Herzl's death, he would become an important force in the establishment and development of the nation he loved.

The foundation of the nation had been laid. The dry bones were coming together. Ezekiel's vision was on its way to fulfillment; the most significant sign of the end times and the return of the Messiah would, in the next half century, become a reality.

But there were troubled times ahead.

War would come to Europe and to the world. Jews would find themselves in the middle of a global war, having friends on both sides of the conflict. The war itself would threaten to extinguish Zionism. For a time it would seem as if the bones of the vision would retreat to the dust and be as dry as the arid soil of the land the Jews were seeking to reclaim.

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Jul 29, 2015 04:08:43   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There is no Palestine. There never was a Palestine. There never will be a Palestine. It's just a name for Arabs descended from the Philistines.





Fact, truth, evidence. Invented post 1948

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Jul 29, 2015 06:06:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Fact, truth, evidence. Invented post 1948
If only they knew the truth, hey jack?

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Jul 29, 2015 07:35:13   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Scoop, What you call occupation, we call returning home. We are back and we are going to stay. We offered to share the land, and what we got in return was rockets, terrorism and hatred. We brought progress to the middle east, and in return got hostility. The reason is easy to see. Arab leaders want to keep things the way they are. They like a society in which they control everything. The last thing they want is a progressive liberal democracy right in the middle of their medieval society. They blame Israel for all of whats wrong with the Muslim world. The truth is the last thing they want is modernity. Israelis not the problem, it never has been. The problem is the seventh century. That is where the Muslim world lives!
Blade_Runner wrote:
There is no Palestine. There never was a Palestine. There never will be a Palestine. It's just a name for Arabs descended from the Philistines.

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Jul 29, 2015 08:16:36   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What branch of the military did you serve in, and when?


It's none of your business but I'll tell readers anyway. I served 7 years in the US Marine Corps Reserve-from 1957 until 1964. Fortunately for me, the draft eliminated the need to send reservists to Vietnam in those years.
Now tell us your history in the IDF.

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Jul 29, 2015 08:18:54   #
payne1000
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Ah, one who speaks the truth. Europe. ...and Russia mainly, but world wide anti-Semitism.



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Jul 29, 2015 08:25:43   #
payne1000
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
It isn't up to me, but if I were at the peace table the pre 1967 borders looks fair. Jerusalem would have to be under Israeli control with a Palestinian presence. I think that the protocalls are more important than the territory exchange. There would have to be a period of trust building. That would include building a road from Gaza to the west bank, allowing Palestinians to work in Israel, Not allowing any "Jewish settlers" to sell property in the west bank to anybody but the PA. Allowing full visiting rights to Jews for religious pilgrimages to holy sights under Palestinian control including the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, Palestinians would have to give up the "right of return", allowing foreign armies or militias on their land, extraditing accused Palestinian terrorists to stand trial in Israel. A general amnesty for Palestinians accused of war crimes before the peace treaty went into effect ( not to include those accused of murdering Israeli civilians),and giving a Palestinian state territory bordering the Dead Sea for mineral excavation. I am sure there are many issues I have not thought of.
It isn't up to me, but if I were at the peace tabl... (show quote)


Zionists have said in no uncertain terms that they would never agree to the pre-1967 borders.
Why would Jews have the right to return to Palestine when the Palestinians who were driven out by Zionist terrorism are not allowed to return?
The issues you have not thought of is the tearing down of the Zionist walls in Palestine and the destruction of the fences which imprison the people of Gaza.



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Jul 29, 2015 08:28:35   #
payne1000
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Scoop, What you call occupation, we call returning home. We are back and we are going to stay. We offered to share the land, and what we got in return was rockets, terrorism and hatred. We brought progress to the middle east, and in return got hostility. The reason is easy to see. Arab leaders want to keep things the way they are. They like a society in which they control everything. The last thing they want is a progressive liberal democracy right in the middle of their medieval society. They blame Israel for all of whats wrong with the Muslim world. The truth is the last thing they want is modernity. Israelis not the problem, it never has been. The problem is the seventh century. That is where the Muslim world lives!
Scoop, What you call occupation, we call returning... (show quote)











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Jul 29, 2015 08:36:55   #
payne1000
 
Steve700 wrote:
No country is perfect but we are as close as anyone comes. For the most part, what you see as American aggression, is America fulfilling its noble destiny of service to the world. Anything that you consider to be atrocities against the Palestinian committed by Israel, has been not only asked for, but demanded by the Palestinians. Those Jew hating Muslims are victims of the Koran; nothing else. They had been offered full citizenship, more freedom than they could have in any other Arab land, a hand in running the government & most of all, the opportunity to share in the prosperity that the Jews brought to that land. But the Jew hating Muzzies, wouldn't have it and started blowing up bombs and nightclubs, and kept it up. Until finally the Jews had to build a wall to keep them on the other side to stew in frustration with their Jew hatred, without being able to do anything about it. If the Palestinians are simply warehoused forever, that will be justice.
No country is perfect but we are as close as anyon... (show quote)


Propaganda has always been Zionists' most effective weapon.
It's certainly worked on you.

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Jul 29, 2015 11:16:45   #
Scoop Henderson Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There is no Palestine. There never was a Palestine. There never will be a Palestine. It's just a name for Arabs descended from the Philistines.


My cousin is a Syro-Palastinian archeologist.

Statements like yours put my safety at risk.

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Jul 29, 2015 12:28:52   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
I am a Zionist, but there is a Palestinian nationality.It is a new nationality, but it does exist.
Most Palestinians go back a few generations. When I was in Israel, I met a man that was proud of the fact that his family goes back to Egypt and has been in Israel for three generations. It terms of both Jews and Arabs this is a blink of an eye. The question is what to do about a Palestinian state.
I say the Palestinians should have a state if they sign a treaty that recognizes Israel as a Jewish state and agree to peaceful realtions with Israel.
Scoop Henderson wrote:
My cousin is a Syro-Palastinian archeologist.

Statements like yours put my safety at risk.

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Jul 29, 2015 12:31:13   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
It's none of your business but I'll tell readers anyway. I served 7 years in the US Marine Corps Reserve-from 1957 until 1964. Fortunately for me, the draft eliminated the need to send reservists to Vietnam in those years.
Now tell us your history in the IDF.
Fortunately for you we never sent any Marine combat units to Vietnam until 1965.

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