PhilosophyMan Loc: Washington state.

This is the first post in a long time I've made.
I might as well tackle something big on my way back here!
I was reading an exchange between Sigmund Freud and Albert Einstein about the nature of war and how to possibly get closer to world peace.
the exchange was made shortly after world war 2 and was encouraged by the UN.
I'll link the chain of letters between them here for those who don't know what I'm talking about:
http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=3864

Anyway, back to the discussion; I personally want to withhold my opinion about war and the human condition until I hear yours, but I will post a poem that caught my eye titled: regarding war.
I want to know what you might think about the write because I think it raises interesting perspectives into the nature of man.
here is the poem.

"regarding war.
War the whore whom we use from shore to shore to implore countries to open doors through the use of gore. No one ever prepares fully for what’s in store. War makes craters, scars in the earth. Each crater a pit of passion from humanities' suffering, each corpse a sacrifice in a cry for help towards mother earth. Furnaces extended that smell of death with an angel siting at the hearth helping the ashes get to heaven from earth, a cry for help by the very suspects. Humanity is always a usual suspect. War tore four doors in each car, war tore more hearts apart than each departure through peace. war is our mark of the beast, and we embrace it with lust more so than any other condition we have. When will God round up the usual suspects? Each crater a mark on the earth, all humans want to make their mark, war has made its mark and will always be remembered as how it is and always will be. War never changes, because as much as we want to, neither do we fundamentally. War is the product of misplaced instinct through brute functionality that keeps order, but there no solid platform in the human mind that holds opinion ransom. Opinion to us is another potential threat from others. We never new we were brothers until we stumbled upon the threat of death, comradery through hell shows us that we find love through death. That is where our soul intercepts nature and pain never the same as a civilian. Life moves in indirect directions, war puts it all into two, life or death, the rest is up to you."

Tell me what you think down below, all opinions welcome!

Steve700

War is purely a results of man's sinful nature and his efforts to be God rather than recognizing God, as well as our failure to repent of our naturally sinful nature, and align ourselves with God and His will. (Muslims excluded -- they need to go against their jihadist religion)

Steve700

War is purely a results of man's sinful nature and his efforts to be God rather than recognizing God, as well as our failure to repent of our naturally sinful nature, and align ourselves with God and His will. (Muslims excluded -- they need to go against their jihadist religion)

JW

I wouldn't call that a poem. It is a rambling pseudo-intellectual rant that says nothing new and confirms nothing old.

War is a very simple concept, if I want what you have, I'll ask nicely; if that doesn't work, I'll try to trick you out of it; if that doesn't work, I'll take it. No intellectualizing required, no contemplation, no rationalization, just basic animal drive to dominate. Justification is the oldest in the book, I need it. War just multiplies numbers.

9th Marines

Worthy of being archived on my hard drive.


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9th Marines

Worthy of being archived on my hard drive.


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9th Marines

It's a poem. You have to reformat the text.

bobebgtime Loc: Virginia

I was reading an exchange between Sigmund Freud and Albert Einstein about the nature of war and how to possibly get closer to world peace.
the exchange was made shortly after world war 2 and was encouraged by the UN.

It had to be a terrible mind-numbing exchange between these two great thinkers. Given that Freud died three years prior to the creation of the United Nations and six years before the end of WW 2.

Loki Loc: Georgia

"The only thing worse than a battle won is a battle lost."
Fighting sucks. Fighting and losing, or not fighting and losing, sucks worse.
George Washington said something like "the best way to insure the peace is to prepare for war." (This is a paraphrase, I don't remember the exact quote, it may not have been authored by Washington, but he did use it ). Peace talk only works if you have a stick to accompany the carrot, the carrot is enticing, and the stick is scary.
Power must be used if it is to be feared. A credible deterrent means everyone else has to believe you have the force and you are willing to employ it.

Loki Loc: Georgia

"The only thing worse than a battle won is a battle lost."
Fighting sucks. Fighting and losing, or not fighting and losing, sucks worse.
George Washington said something like "the best way to insure the peace is to prepare for war." (This is a paraphrase, I don't remember the exact quote, it may not have been authored by Washington, but he did use it ). Peace talk only works if you have a stick to accompany the carrot, the carrot is enticing, and the stick is scary.
Power must be used if it is to be feared. A credible deterrent means everyone else has to believe you have the force and you are willing to employ it.

JW

He meant WWI and the League of Nations...

Kachina

You nailed it right there. War is nothing but government's need to dominate and control others. Every war has been based on the desire to make someone else do what the government wanted so it could control the other party in some way. WwII Hitler wanted to control the world, middle east, fighting parties want control, civil war, we tried to control blacks, all of them.

pacm Loc: New York upstate north of Manhattan

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no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

I had to mentally do that to follow it. Philosophy Man, welcome back to the fold. Hope you were able to find the job you were looking for.

Artemis

thank you Philman I found the link most interesting and your admirable attempt to open this discussion.

War is a direct reflection of the progress of the human race.

In governing entities people follow their leaders out of loyalty even when their leaders may be corrupt, and in war become collateral damage. It will someday come down to the masses that say enough.

In reading I found Einstein point most pertinent, his quote;

This political power-hunger is wont to batten on the activities of another group, whose aspirations are on purely mercenary, economic lines. I have especially in mind that small but determined group, active in every nation, composed of individuals who, indifferent to social considerations and restraints, regard warfare, the manufacture and sale of arms, simply as an occasion to advance their personal interests and enlarge their personal authority.

But recognition of this obvious fact is merely the first step towards an appreciation of the actual state of affairs.
Another question follows hard upon it: How is it possible for this small clique to bend the will of the majority, who stand to lose and suffer by a state of war, to the service of their ambitions? (In speaking of the majority, I do not exclude soldiers of every rank who have chosen war as their profession, in the belief that they are serving to defend the highest interests of their race, and that attack is often the best method of defense.) An obvious answer to this question would seem to be that the minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.

It appears to me we (the masses) are finally evolving and Peace is more hopeful but we do have miles to go.