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2012 Voter Fraud
Claim: List cites instances proving voter fraud in the 2012 U.S. presidential election.


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Example: [Collected via e-mail, January 2013]

Most everyone suspected fraud, but these numbers prove it and our government and media refuse to do anything about it.

As each state reported their final election details, the evidence of voter fraud is astounding. Massive voter fraud has been reported in areas of OH and FL, with PA, WI and VA, all are deploying personnel to investigate election results.

Here are just a few examples of what has surfaced with much more to come.

* In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).

* In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations - and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).

* In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.

* In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast.

* The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout.

* Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout.

* In Ohio County, Obama won by 108% of the total number of eligible voters.

NOTE: Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote.
Origins: Claims of fraud have arisen after each of the last several U.S. presidential elections, especially since the 2000 election, the outcome of which hinged on a prolonged dispute over a victory margin of just 537 votes in the state of Florida. As the example cited above demonstrates, the election of 2012 was no exception in that regard.

But whatever voter fraud (if any) might have occurred during the 2012 presidential election, none is evidenced by the example reproduced here. As shown below, all of the statements it comprises are demonstrably false:

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•In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).

It is true that 59 voting divisions in Philadelphia recorded no votes for Mitt Romney, but given the voter composition of the Philadelphia area (and some Philadelphia wards in particular) and the number of voters in each division, that outcome was hardly a "mathematical and statistical impossibility."

Barack Obama won the overall vote in the Philadelphia area by an 85% to 14% margin over Mitt Romney; Obama also received greater than 90% of the vote in more than half of Philadelphia's 66 wards, and 99% or more of the vote in seven of those wards. That result was hardly surprising given that, as the Philadelphia Inquirer noted, those wards are "clustered in almost exclusively black sections of West and North Philadelphia" and "nationally, 93 percent of African Americans voted for Obama." The Philadelphia wards that trended very heavily for Barack Obama included many divisions of between 200 and 500 voters in which Mitt Romney received a scant handful of votes (and sometimes no votes at all), a result mirroring that of the previous election, in which Republican candidate John McCain "got zero votes in 57 Philadelphia voting divisions."

When the Inquirer went looking for Republican voters in some of those divisions, they couldn't find any: Many parts of Philadelphia and other big cities simply lack Republican voters, a fact of campaigning that has been true since Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, Jonathan Rodden, a political science professor at Stanford University, said.

Although voter registration lists, which often contain outdated information, show 12 Republicans live in the [28th] ward's third division, The Inquirer was unable to find any of them by calling or visiting their homes.

Four of the registered Republicans no longer lived there; four others didn't answer their doors. City Board of Elections registration data say a registered Republican used to live at 25th and York Streets, but none of the neighbors across the street knew him.

James Norris, 19, who lives down the street, is listed as a Republican in city data. But he said he's a Democrat and voted for Obama because he thinks the president will help the middle class.

A few blocks away, Eric Sapp, a 42-year-old chef, looked skeptical when told that city data had him listed as a registered Republican. "I got to check on that," said Sapp, who voted for Obama.

Eighteen Republicans reportedly live in the nearby 15th Division, according to city registration records. The 15th has the distinction of pitching two straight Republican shutouts — zero votes for McCain in 2008, zero for Romney. Oh, and 13 other city divisions did the same thing in 2008 and 2012.

Three of the 15th's registered Republicans were listed as living in the same apartment, but the tenant there said he had never heard of them. The addresses of several others could not be found.

On West Albert Street, Duke Dunston says he knows he's a registered Republican, but he's never voted for one.
Thus the results in Philadelphia were reflective not of an "impossible" statistical anomaly but rather of a general historical trend widely seen throughout the city.

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•In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations — and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).

A precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the official voting results from Wood County, Ohio, for the 2012 election shows that Barack Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that county's 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one precinct was 75.5%.

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•In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters.

The official Voter Turnout statistics for Ohio show Wood County recorded a total turnout of 64,342 voters, an amount far smaller than the number of registered voters in that county (108,014).

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•In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast.

This statement demonstrates a misunderstanding between the difference in "number of votes" cast and "number of cards" cast. The official election results from St. Lucie County, Florida, show, a total of 123,301 votes were cast for the office of President of the United States, but a total of 247,383 cards were cast because St. Lucie County used a two-page ballot (i.e., a ballot consisting of two cards), so every voter who returned both pages of his ballot cast two cards.

As the web site of that county's elections board explains: "Turnout percentages will show over 100% due to a two page ballot. The tabulation system (GEMS) provides voter turnout as equal to the total cards cast in the election divided by the number of registered voters. Also note that some voters chose not to return by mail the second card."

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•The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout.

This entry repeats the same error as the previous one. The National SEAL Museum polling location in St. Lucie County had a turnout of 2756 registered voters, but a total of 4469 cards were cast because each voter's ballot consisted of two cards. The official vote count from that location for the office of President of the United States recorded 1,473 votes for Mitt Romney and 754 votes for Barack Obama.

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•Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout.

The official results for the 2012 general election for Palm Beach County, Florida, show that 605,268 out of 870,182 registered voters cast ballots for the office of President of the United States, a voter turnout rate of 69.56%, not 141%.

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•In Ohio County, Obama won by 108% of the total number of eligible voters.

This statement is ambiguous because multiple states (Kentucky, Indiana, and West Virginia) have counties named Ohio. Nonetheless, this statement is false regardless of which of those counties is considered:

Mitt Romney won Ohio County, Kentucky, by a 67% to 31% margin.
Mitt Romney won Ohio County, Indiana, by a 63% to 35% margin.
Mitt Romney won Ohio County, West Virginia, by a 60% to 38% margin.

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•Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama did lose in every state that required all voters to provide photo ID, but those states were only four in number: Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, and Tennessee. Meanwhile, contrary to what is claimed here, he also lost in many states that did not require all voters to provide photo ID: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

(NOTE: If you do not live in Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, or Tennessee, then your state did not require all voters to provide photo ID during the 2012 general election. As shown on a chart of Voter Identification Requirements by state, only those four states had strict photo ID laws in place during the 2012 general election. All other states either did not require voters to provide ID or accepted some forms of non-photo ID.)




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A survey of county prosecutors found that suspected voter fraud cases from the 2012 election often were set aside as simple mistakes and the result of confusion and that safeguards in the system seem to be working.Marvin Fong, The Plain Dealer

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Despite concerns by some Ohio lawmakers about voter fraud, most of the voting irregularities that elections officials reported during the 2012 general election did not result in criminal charges, the Northeast Ohio Media Group has found.

Prosecutors in counties large and small told the media outlet their investigations typically concluded that the irregularities resulted from confusion by voters or mistakes by elections officials rather than from people trying to game the system.

And while Republican lawmakers have introduced bills aimed at curbing voter fraud, some Republican prosecutors joined their Democratic counterparts in reporting no evidence of a widespread problem.

“Basically I found that there wasn't an overwhelming pattern of voter fraud,” said Butler County Prosecutor Michael T. Gmoser, a Republican in a Republican-dominated county. “There’s a couple of isolated incidents of people making bone-headed decisions.”

Northeast Ohio Media Group looked at the eight counties that each generated at least 10 reports of voting irregularities during the 2012 election. The prosecutors in those counties - Butler, Cuyahoga, Delaware, Erie, Fairfield, Franklin, Hamilton and Medina - collectively reviewed 210 of the 270 cases reported statewide. Here is what they reported:

Butler County looked at 11 cases, and Gmoser, the prosecutor, pressed charges against one man who voted in the county and in another state. The man told investigators he only voted for issues on his absentee ballot from Butler County. He voted for president in the other state. Gmoser said he felt a duty to prosecute because the man knew what he was doing. The man pleaded to a reduced charge.

Cuyahoga County chose not to pursue criminal charges in any of the 15 cases referred to the prosecutor's office. Most of the cases involved confusion about the so-called Golden Week, the one week during early absentee voting when a person can both register to vote and also cast their absentee ballot.

Some mail sent to potential voters to confirm their registrations was returned as undeliverable, said Joseph Frolik, communications director for Democratic Prosecutor Timothy J McGinty. But the problems with delivery didn’t appear to be a result at someone trying to fraudulently register. On some, it appeared the person had simply moved. None were determined to have criminal intent needed as a basis for prosecution, he said.

Delaware County investigated 13 voting cases, and filed no charges. But Republican Prosecutor Carol O’Brien’s staff did charge a man with falsifying names on an election petition he circulated.

Erie County chose not to prosecute any of the 10 referred to Democratic Prosecutor Kevin Baxter’s office. “None rose to a level of criminal intent. It was more confusion on the part of the voter,” said Jason Hinners, an assistant county prosecutor. A number of them involved seniors in residence homes.

Franklin County investigated 92 referrals, 90 from its elections board and two more from Husted’s office. In an e-mail, Prosecutor Ron O’Brien, a Republican, said 16 cases likely will be prosecuted after some further investigation. Those cases generally involve people who tried to vote twice. Two people are suspected of voting in Ohio and in Arkansas.

Another 40-plus cases require more investigation. Some of those, he said, will be weeded out and dropped. Others could be prosecuted, depending on what is found during additional interviews.

But more than 30 were dropped.

In several cases it appeared there was a technical violation of law, but the status of the offender made it an inappropriate case to prosecute, O’Brien said. Such was the case with “a number of elderly voters who had apparent memory issues, and while they had voted twice or attempted to vote twice, a criminal prosecution was not deemed proper.”

Hamilton County investigated 48 cases, but upon review, most were deemed inappropriate for prosecution, said Julie Wilson, Republican Prosecutor Joe Deters' chief assistant prosecutor. Six cases were pursued.


The Cincinnati Enquirer reported that Deters' office won a conviction against a woman for voting five times, twice under her own name and three times for her sister, who has been in a coma since 2003. The newspaper also reported that Deters also won voter-fraud convictions against three others. Cases against two others are pending.

Medina County investigated 10 cases. None led to prosecution.

Prosecutor Dean Holman, a Democrat in a Republican leaning county, recalled that in one case a woman requested, completed and returned an absentee ballot. Then, forgetting she had requested the first, she asked for another. Then she showed up at the polls on election day. Investigators concluded that the woman, who was elderly and dealing with the recent loss of her husband, did not intend to commit a crime.

“Some of these people were just confused,' Holman said. "Those people should not be prosecuted. The criminal justice system is designed for criminal conduct.”

An additional 20 cases were referred to Attorney General Mike DeWine by Husted’s staff. One led to a guilty plea for falsification. Five others were dropped.


The rest required further investigation, mostly by county prosecutors, and some of those were, including two sent to Cuyahoga, were subsequently dropped.

The investigations came at the request of Secretary of State Jon Husted, who last year directed all 88 county boards of elections in Ohio to investigate all claims of voter fraud from the 2012 election.

Husted’s staff and the county boards identified 625 cases. At the time Husted released his initial report, 135 had been forwarded to prosecutors. Eventually, another 135 were also forwarded, bringing the total to 270. Those cases represented less than five one-thousandths of 1 percent of the 5.6 million ballots cast in Ohio in the 2012 election.

Husted said he ordered the review because he became concerned over the tone of the rhetoric about voter fraud.

“Frankly, it concerns me with some of the hyperbole surrounding these issues that some of those unsubstantiated claims, left unchecked, would become conventional wisdom,” he said when he released his initial findings in May. While cases of voter fraud do occur, he said, “it is not an epidemic.” He repeated that recently when he announced his staff had identified 17 cases where non-citizens appeared to have registered and voted in the presidential election and another 274 non-citizens who were registered also had been identified.

“It [voter fraud] exists," he said, "it’s rare."

The low numbers suggest safeguards in the system are effective, he added.

“I believe that the system in place does work very well and we work every day to make it better,” Husted said. “Our constant mantra is ‘Make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.’ “

Elections officials, while conceding voter fraud is not a serious problem in Ohio, say it remains one to be watched.

Most counties reported some sort of voting infractions during the 2012 general elections, albeit generally small-scale issues, said Karla Herron, the director of the Delaware County Board of Elections and president of the Ohio Association of Election Officials.

“It seemed that most counties had something, but not anything huge,” she said. “We do not believe [fraud] is a systemic problem, but we do want it to be where there’s no room for that."

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A survey of county prosecutors found that suspected voter fraud cases from the 2012 election often were set aside as simple mistakes and the result of confusion and that safeguards in the system seem to be working.Marvin Fong, The Plain Dealer

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Despite concerns by some Ohio lawmakers about voter fraud, most of the voting irregularities that elections officials reported during the 2012 general election did not result in criminal charges, the Northeast Ohio Media Group has found.

Prosecutors in counties large and small told the media outlet their investigations typically concluded that the irregularities resulted from confusion by voters or mistakes by elections officials rather than from people trying to game the system.

And while Republican lawmakers have introduced bills aimed at curbing voter fraud, some Republican prosecutors joined their Democratic counterparts in reporting no evidence of a widespread problem.

“Basically I found that there wasn't an overwhelming pattern of voter fraud,” said Butler County Prosecutor Michael T. Gmoser, a Republican in a Republican-dominated county. “There’s a couple of isolated incidents of people making bone-headed decisions.”

Northeast Ohio Media Group looked at the eight counties that each generated at least 10 reports of voting irregularities during the 2012 election. The prosecutors in those counties - Butler, Cuyahoga, Delaware, Erie, Fairfield, Franklin, Hamilton and Medina - collectively reviewed 210 of the 270 cases reported statewide. Here is what they reported:

Butler County looked at 11 cases, and Gmoser, the prosecutor, pressed charges against one man who voted in the county and in another state. The man told investigators he only voted for issues on his absentee ballot from Butler County. He voted for president in the other state. Gmoser said he felt a duty to prosecute because the man knew what he was doing. The man pleaded to a reduced charge.

Cuyahoga County chose not to pursue criminal charges in any of the 15 cases referred to the prosecutor's office. Most of the cases involved confusion about the so-called Golden Week, the one week during early absentee voting when a person can both register to vote and also cast their absentee ballot.

Some mail sent to potential voters to confirm their registrations was returned as undeliverable, said Joseph Frolik, communications director for Democratic Prosecutor Timothy J McGinty. But the problems with delivery didn’t appear to be a result at someone trying to fraudulently register. On some, it appeared the person had simply moved. None were determined to have criminal intent needed as a basis for prosecution, he said.

Delaware County investigated 13 voting cases, and filed no charges. But Republican Prosecutor Carol O’Brien’s staff did charge a man with falsifying names on an election petition he circulated.

Erie County chose not to prosecute any of the 10 referred to Democratic Prosecutor Kevin Baxter’s office. “None rose to a level of criminal intent. It was more confusion on the part of the voter,” said Jason Hinners, an assistant county prosecutor. A number of them involved seniors in residence homes.

Franklin County investigated 92 referrals, 90 from its elections board and two more from Husted’s office. In an e-mail, Prosecutor Ron O’Brien, a Republican, said 16 cases likely will be prosecuted after some further investigation. Those cases generally involve people who tried to vote twice. Two people are suspected of voting in Ohio and in Arkansas.

Another 40-plus cases require more investigation. Some of those, he said, will be weeded out and dropped. Others could be prosecuted, depending on what is found during additional interviews.

But more than 30 were dropped.

In several cases it appeared there was a technical violation of law, but the status of the offender made it an inappropriate case to prosecute, O’Brien said. Such was the case with “a number of elderly voters who had apparent memory issues, and while they had voted twice or attempted to vote twice, a criminal prosecution was not deemed proper.”

Hamilton County investigated 48 cases, but upon review, most were deemed inappropriate for prosecution, said Julie Wilson, Republican Prosecutor Joe Deters' chief assistant prosecutor. Six cases were pursued.


The Cincinnati Enquirer reported that Deters' office won a conviction against a woman for voting five times, twice under her own name and three times for her sister, who has been in a coma since 2003. The newspaper also reported that Deters also won voter-fraud convictions against three others. Cases against two others are pending.

Medina County investigated 10 cases. None led to prosecution.

Prosecutor Dean Holman, a Democrat in a Republican leaning county, recalled that in one case a woman requested, completed and returned an absentee ballot. Then, forgetting she had requested the first, she asked for another. Then she showed up at the polls on election day. Investigators concluded that the woman, who was elderly and dealing with the recent loss of her husband, did not intend to commit a crime.

“Some of these people were just confused,' Holman said. "Those people should not be prosecuted. The criminal justice system is designed for criminal conduct.”

An additional 20 cases were referred to Attorney General Mike DeWine by Husted’s staff. One led to a guilty plea for falsification. Five others were dropped.


The rest required further investigation, mostly by county prosecutors, and some of those were, including two sent to Cuyahoga, were subsequently dropped.

The investigations came at the request of Secretary of State Jon Husted, who last year directed all 88 county boards of elections in Ohio to investigate all claims of voter fraud from the 2012 election.

Husted’s staff and the county boards identified 625 cases. At the time Husted released his initial report, 135 had been forwarded to prosecutors. Eventually, another 135 were also forwarded, bringing the total to 270. Those cases represented less than five one-thousandths of 1 percent of the 5.6 million ballots cast in Ohio in the 2012 election.

Husted said he ordered the review because he became concerned over the tone of the rhetoric about voter fraud.

“Frankly, it concerns me with some of the hyperbole surrounding these issues that some of those unsubstantiated claims, left unchecked, would become conventional wisdom,” he said when he released his initial findings in May. While cases of voter fraud do occur, he said, “it is not an epidemic.” He repeated that recently when he announced his staff had identified 17 cases where non-citizens appeared to have registered and voted in the presidential election and another 274 non-citizens who were registered also had been identified.

“It [voter fraud] exists," he said, "it’s rare."

The low numbers suggest safeguards in the system are effective, he added.

“I believe that the system in place does work very well and we work every day to make it better,” Husted said. “Our constant mantra is ‘Make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.’ “

Elections officials, while conceding voter fraud is not a serious problem in Ohio, say it remains one to be watched.

Most counties reported some sort of voting infractions during the 2012 general elections, albeit generally small-scale issues, said Karla Herron, the director of the Delaware County Board of Elections and president of the Ohio Association of Election Officials.

“It seemed that most counties had something, but not anything huge,” she said. “We do not believe [fraud] is a systemic problem, but we do want it to be where there’s no room for that."

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

And you rely on Snopes, a proven Left Wing, Soros sponsored ideological rag? You are too much moldy...thanks for my daily chuckles. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

moldyoldy

You like to say that, but like everything else you say, you have no proof. Maybe you should read the post after that one from the Ohio newspaper.

Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

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Maybe, I say MAYBE, he is a swallower??? :hunf:

moldyoldy

Maybe you are an idiot to re-post debunked crap from 2012.

trucksterbud

Well, it was a PROVEN FACT that got silenced VERY QUICKLY, that over 17,000 DEAD PEOPLE in Florida voted for Obama, over 10,000 DEAD PEOPLE in Ohio voted for Obama, over 14,000 DEAD PEOPLE in Pennsylvania voted for Obama. Add Nauseum. And it all got silenced VERY QUICKLY. It seemed strange that the supporters and advocates of this information didn't wind up on the evening news themselves - DEAD. Unless, of course, that was SILENCED VERY QUICKLY ALSO..!!

And, not to mention, its a proven fact that Barry Soretoros SSN is of a DEAD MAN from Connecticut. And of course nothing is being done about that.

moldyoldy

ANOTHER IDIOT, WHO WATCHES FOX FOR THE DAILY LIES.

moldyoldy

A few facts for Bud-wieser.



The United States’ voter registration system is in chaos — about 24 million registrations are no longer valid and nearly 2 million dead people are still on voter rolls, according to a new report Tuesday.

Along with the one of every eight voter registrations that is not valid or has significant inaccuracies, there are 2.75 million people currently registered to vote in more than one state, the Pew Center on the States study found. And the millions of problematic registrations aren’t the only issue — researchers estimate at least 51 million eligible U.S. citizens aren’t registered to vote. That’s nearly one in four, or 24 percent of the eligible population.

Additionally, about 12 million records have incorrect addresses, meaning it’s unlikely any mailings can reach these voters, the research in the report shows.

Still, David Becker, director of Pew’s Election Initiatives, said that the center’s findings did not suggest any kind of voter fraud or voter suppression from these problems, but noted they do “underscore the need for an improved system.”

There also are more than 1.8 million deceased people who still have active registration on voter rolls, Pew found. And, Becker said, the outdated, inefficient systems currently in place are “not designed to keep up with deaths as they occur.”

The slow and ineffective paper-based systems are also expensive, Pew found. It costs the U.S. 12 times more to maintain a voter list than it does for Canada, which spends just 35 cents to keep up its list in an election year. And in Canada — which has innovative technology and data-matching methods in place — 93 percent of the eligible population is registered, the survey points out.

Part of the problem in the U.S., researchers say, stems from many states still using paper-based systems. Millions of paper applications have to be printed and election offices must do the data-entry by hand — which means most states face an expensive, inefficient process of updating voter rolls each election year.

The fix is online voter registration, according to Pew. “It is in fact more secure than the traditional paper methods of voter registration,” Becker said.

“Voter registration is the gateway to participating in our democracy, but these antiquated, paper-based systems are plagued with errors and inefficiencies,” Becker added in a statement. “These problems waste taxpayer dollars, undermine voter confidence, and fuel partisan disputes over the integrity of our elections.”

Becker pointed to Maricopa County in Arizona as a prime example of a place that has successfully transitioned to an innovative system — with online voter registration, the county has saved more than $1 million over five years.

Meanwhile, Pew said it is working with several states this cycle to upgrade their voter registration system. The new approach includes states creating ways for voters to submit information online and having election offices compare registration lists with other data sources such as motor vehicle records.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72830.html#ixzz3fiT7r78F

Bevos

I don't think so.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

You do know old moldy is full of it don't you?

trucksterbud

Wow, I am amazed by your intellect and ESP. You must have practiced a loooong time on that one. Lessee, I'm an IDIOT and got my info from Fox news..??!!

Step one and bitch slap one - I don't watch Fox news hardly at all, I do occassionally but don't take them seriously. {I actually got the information from FreedomOutpost and EagleRising over a year ago. Do your research} (Bitch slap one)

Step two and bitch slap two - I'm an idiot. Well coming from someone with the moniker MoldyOldy I assume that is a compliment, as with others on the OPP site, you don't seem to understand I view your post as absolute horsesh*t. You're opinion of me is of no consequence in my world, where I spend my days fueling trucks, railroad locomotives, drilling rigs, and heavy equipment across 14 states. So, I do have a wide variety of input from a wide variety of people. Your input seems to come from.....???? OPP....???? (Bitch slap two)

Soooo, now don't go and get all penile erect at me and spew forth more verbal feces with your panties in a wad, it only shows who and how you really are. But you know, if it makes you feel better, I guess go ahead. t.