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Jun 30, 2015 19:29:27 #
DJRich
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Some interesting perpectives
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Here are 9 facts you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong
Valerie Tarico, AlterNet
30 Jun 2015 at 15:37 ET
Jesus has been described as the best known figure in history, and also the least known. If you mentioned the name Jesus and someone asked Jesus who?, you might blink. Or laugh. Even people who dont think Jesus was God, mostly believe they know a fair bit about him. You might be surprised that some of your most basic assumptions about Jesus are probably wrong.
We have no record of anything that was written about Jesus by eyewitnesses or other contemporaries during the time he would have lived or for decades thereafter, and as best scientists can tell, all physical relics of his life are later fakes. Nonetheless, based on archeological digs and artifacts, ancient texts and art, linguistic patterns, and even forensic science, we know a good deal about the time and culture in which the New Testament is set. This evidence points to some startling conclusions about who Jesus likely wasand wasnt.
1.Cropped hair, not long. Jewish men at the time of Christ did not typically wear their hair long. A Roman triumphal arch of the time period depicts Jewish slaves with short hair. In the Apostle Pauls first letter to the Corinthians, he addresses male hair length. Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him? (1 Corinthians 11:14 NRSV). During the 1960s conservative Christians quoted this verse to express their disgust against the hippy movement and to label it as anti-Christian.
2.Married, not single. In 2012, when an ancient papyrus scrap came to light referring to the wife of Jesus (most likely a forgery), some Catholics and Evangelicals were scandalized at the very thought. But unlike the Catholic Church, Jews have no tradition of celibacy among religious leaders. Ancient writers documented exceptions like the Apostle Paul or the Essene sect precisely because they violated the norm. In the Gospels, Jesus is called rabbi; and all great rabbis that we know of were married. A rabbi being celibate would have been so unusual that some modern writers have argued that Jesus must have been gay. But a number of ancient texts, including the canonical New Testament, point to a special relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. For example, the non-canonical Gospel of Phillip says, [Jesus] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her [word missing].
3.Hung on a pole, not necessarily a cross. For centuries scholars have known that the Greek New Testament word stauros, which gets translated into English as cross, can refer to a device of several shapes, commonly a single upright pole, torture stake or even tree. The Romans did not have a standard way of crucifying prisoners, and Josephus tells us that during the siege of Jerusalem soldiers nailed or tied their victims in a variety of positions. Early Christians may have centered in on the vertical pole with a crossbeam because it echoed the Egyptian ankh, a symbol of life, or simply because it was more artistically and symbolically distinctive than the alternatives. Imagine millions of people wearing a golden pole on a chain around their necks.
4.Short, not tall. The typical Jewish man at the time of the Roman Empire was just over five feet tall, which makes this a best guess for the height of Jesus. That he is typically depicted taller likely derives from the mental challenge people have in distinguishing physical stature from other kinds of stature. Great men are called big men and larger than life. In ancient times they often were assigned divine parentage and miraculous births, and the idea that Jesus was uniquely divine has created a strong pull over time to depict him as taller than is likely. A good illustration of this is the Shroud of Turin, which is just one of many such Jesus-shrouds that circulated during medieval times and which bears the (now reproduced) image of a man closer to six feet in height.
5.Born in a house, not the stable of an inn. The miraculous birth story of Jesus is a late, maybe 2nd century addition to the gospels, and consequently it contains many fascinating mythic elements and peculiarities. But the idea that Jesus was born in a stable got added to the Christmas story even later. In the original narrative, Joseph and Mary probably would have stayed with relatives, and the phrase no room for them in the inn (gr: kataluma) is better translated no room for them in the upper room. Later storytellers did not understand that people of the time might bring animals into their ground floor, as in Swiss housebarns, and they assumed that the presence of a manger implied a stable.
6.Named Joshua, not Jesus. The name Joshua (in Hebrew Yhoshuʿa meaning deliverance or salvation), was common among Jews in the Ancient Near East as it is today. Joshua and Jesus are the same name, but are translated differently in our modern Bible to distinguish Jesus from the Joshua of the Old Testament, who leads the Hebrew people to the Promised Land. In actuality, though, the relationship between the two figures is fascinating and important. Some scholars believe that the New Testament gospels are mostly updated retellings of the more ancient Joshua story, remixed with episodes from stories of Elisha and Elijah and Moses. A modern parallel can be found in the way that Hollywood writers have reworked Shakespearean tropes and plot elements into dozens of modern movies (though for a very different purpose).
7.Number of apostles (12) from astrology, not history. Whether Jesus had 12 disciples who ranked above his other devotees is an open question, as their names vary from list to list. Since the Gospels echo the story of Joshua, the 12 apostles most immediately mirror the 12 tribes of Israel. But the number 12 was considered auspicious by many ancient people, including the Israelites, and the 189 repetitions of the number 12 in the Bible ultimately may derive from the same pre-historical roots as the 12 signs of the zodiac and 12 months of the year. Astrotheology or star worship preceded the Hebrew religion, and shaped both the Bible and Western religions more broadly. One might point to the 12 Olympian gods or 12 sons of Odin, or the 12 days of Christmas or 12 legitimate successors to the prophet Mohammed.
8.Prophecies recalled, not foretold. Even people who arent too sure about the divinity of Jesus sometimes think that the way he fulfilled prophecies was a bit spooky, like the writings of Nostradamus. In reality, Scooby Doo could solve this one in a single episode with four pieces of information: First, Old Testament prophecies were well known to 1st century Jews, and a messianic figure who wanted to fulfill some of these prophecies could simply do so. For example, in the book of Matthew, Jesus seeks a donkey to ride into Jerusalem that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet (Matthew 21:4). Second, gospels are a genre of devotional literature rather than objective histories, which means that the authors had every reason to shape their stories around earlier predictions. Third, scholars now believe that some Bible texts once thought to be prophecies (for example in the Book of Revelation) actually relate to events that were past or current at the time of writing. Finally, a psychological phenomenon known as the Barnum Effect ensures that those who want to believe in prophecies (or astrology, for that matter) will find amazing coincidences if they look hard enough.
9.Some Jesus quotes not from Jesus, others uncertain. Lists of favorite Jesus sayings abound online. Some of the most popular are the Beatitudes (Blessed are the meek, etc.) or the story of the woman caught in adultery (Let he who is without sin cast the first stone) or the Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, which, we are told, sums up the Law and the Prophets.) Which words actually from Jesus? This question has been debated fiercely by everyone from 3rd century Catholic Councils to the 20th Century Jesus Seminar. Even Thomas Jefferson weighed in, but much remains unclear. The New Testament Gospels were written long after Jesus would have died, and no technology existed with which to record his teachings in real time, unless a he wrote them down himself, which he didnt. We can be confident that at least some of the wise and timeless words and catchy proverbs attributed to Jesus are actually from earlier or later thinkers. For example, the Golden Rule was articulated before the time of Christ by the Rabbi Hillel the Elder, who similarly said it was the whole Torah. By contrast, the much loved story of the woman caught in adultery doesnt appear in manuscripts until the 4th century. Attributing words (or whole texts) to a famous person was common in the Ancient Near East, because it gave those words extra weight. Small wonder, then, that so many genuinely valuable insights ended up, in one way or another, paired with the name of Jesus.
The person of Jesus, if indeed there was a single historical rabbi at the root of our traditions, is shrouded in the fog of history leaving us only with a set of hunches and traditions that far too often get treated as knowledge. The facts I have listed here are largely trivial; it doesnt really matter whether Jesus was tall or short, or how he cut his hair. But it does matter, tremendously, that facts people claim to know about how Jesus saw himself, and God and humanity are equally tenuous. In the words of Mark Twain: It aint what you dont know that gets you into trouble. Its what you know for sure that just aint so.
The teachings attributed to Jesus mix enduring spiritual and moral insights with irrelevancies and Judaica and bits of Iron Age culture, some of which are truly awful. That leaves each of us, from the privileged vantage of the 21st century, with both a right and a responsibility to consider the evidence and make our own best guesses about what is real and how we should then live. A good starting place might be a little more recognition that we dont know nearly as much as wed like to think, and a lot of what we know for sure is probably wrong.
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Here are 9 facts you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong
Valerie Tarico, AlterNet
30 Jun 2015 at 15:37 ET
Jesus has been described as the best known figure in history, and also the least known. If you mentioned the name Jesus and someone asked Jesus who?, you might blink. Or laugh. Even people who dont think Jesus was God, mostly believe they know a fair bit about him. You might be surprised that some of your most basic assumptions about Jesus are probably wrong.
We have no record of anything that was written about Jesus by eyewitnesses or other contemporaries during the time he would have lived or for decades thereafter, and as best scientists can tell, all physical relics of his life are later fakes. Nonetheless, based on archeological digs and artifacts, ancient texts and art, linguistic patterns, and even forensic science, we know a good deal about the time and culture in which the New Testament is set. This evidence points to some startling conclusions about who Jesus likely wasand wasnt.
1.Cropped hair, not long. Jewish men at the time of Christ did not typically wear their hair long. A Roman triumphal arch of the time period depicts Jewish slaves with short hair. In the Apostle Pauls first letter to the Corinthians, he addresses male hair length. Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair, it is degrading to him? (1 Corinthians 11:14 NRSV). During the 1960s conservative Christians quoted this verse to express their disgust against the hippy movement and to label it as anti-Christian.
2.Married, not single. In 2012, when an ancient papyrus scrap came to light referring to the wife of Jesus (most likely a forgery), some Catholics and Evangelicals were scandalized at the very thought. But unlike the Catholic Church, Jews have no tradition of celibacy among religious leaders. Ancient writers documented exceptions like the Apostle Paul or the Essene sect precisely because they violated the norm. In the Gospels, Jesus is called rabbi; and all great rabbis that we know of were married. A rabbi being celibate would have been so unusual that some modern writers have argued that Jesus must have been gay. But a number of ancient texts, including the canonical New Testament, point to a special relationship between Mary Magdalene and Jesus. For example, the non-canonical Gospel of Phillip says, [Jesus] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her [word missing].
3.Hung on a pole, not necessarily a cross. For centuries scholars have known that the Greek New Testament word stauros, which gets translated into English as cross, can refer to a device of several shapes, commonly a single upright pole, torture stake or even tree. The Romans did not have a standard way of crucifying prisoners, and Josephus tells us that during the siege of Jerusalem soldiers nailed or tied their victims in a variety of positions. Early Christians may have centered in on the vertical pole with a crossbeam because it echoed the Egyptian ankh, a symbol of life, or simply because it was more artistically and symbolically distinctive than the alternatives. Imagine millions of people wearing a golden pole on a chain around their necks.
4.Short, not tall. The typical Jewish man at the time of the Roman Empire was just over five feet tall, which makes this a best guess for the height of Jesus. That he is typically depicted taller likely derives from the mental challenge people have in distinguishing physical stature from other kinds of stature. Great men are called big men and larger than life. In ancient times they often were assigned divine parentage and miraculous births, and the idea that Jesus was uniquely divine has created a strong pull over time to depict him as taller than is likely. A good illustration of this is the Shroud of Turin, which is just one of many such Jesus-shrouds that circulated during medieval times and which bears the (now reproduced) image of a man closer to six feet in height.
5.Born in a house, not the stable of an inn. The miraculous birth story of Jesus is a late, maybe 2nd century addition to the gospels, and consequently it contains many fascinating mythic elements and peculiarities. But the idea that Jesus was born in a stable got added to the Christmas story even later. In the original narrative, Joseph and Mary probably would have stayed with relatives, and the phrase no room for them in the inn (gr: kataluma) is better translated no room for them in the upper room. Later storytellers did not understand that people of the time might bring animals into their ground floor, as in Swiss housebarns, and they assumed that the presence of a manger implied a stable.
6.Named Joshua, not Jesus. The name Joshua (in Hebrew Yhoshuʿa meaning deliverance or salvation), was common among Jews in the Ancient Near East as it is today. Joshua and Jesus are the same name, but are translated differently in our modern Bible to distinguish Jesus from the Joshua of the Old Testament, who leads the Hebrew people to the Promised Land. In actuality, though, the relationship between the two figures is fascinating and important. Some scholars believe that the New Testament gospels are mostly updated retellings of the more ancient Joshua story, remixed with episodes from stories of Elisha and Elijah and Moses. A modern parallel can be found in the way that Hollywood writers have reworked Shakespearean tropes and plot elements into dozens of modern movies (though for a very different purpose).
7.Number of apostles (12) from astrology, not history. Whether Jesus had 12 disciples who ranked above his other devotees is an open question, as their names vary from list to list. Since the Gospels echo the story of Joshua, the 12 apostles most immediately mirror the 12 tribes of Israel. But the number 12 was considered auspicious by many ancient people, including the Israelites, and the 189 repetitions of the number 12 in the Bible ultimately may derive from the same pre-historical roots as the 12 signs of the zodiac and 12 months of the year. Astrotheology or star worship preceded the Hebrew religion, and shaped both the Bible and Western religions more broadly. One might point to the 12 Olympian gods or 12 sons of Odin, or the 12 days of Christmas or 12 legitimate successors to the prophet Mohammed.
8.Prophecies recalled, not foretold. Even people who arent too sure about the divinity of Jesus sometimes think that the way he fulfilled prophecies was a bit spooky, like the writings of Nostradamus. In reality, Scooby Doo could solve this one in a single episode with four pieces of information: First, Old Testament prophecies were well known to 1st century Jews, and a messianic figure who wanted to fulfill some of these prophecies could simply do so. For example, in the book of Matthew, Jesus seeks a donkey to ride into Jerusalem that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet (Matthew 21:4). Second, gospels are a genre of devotional literature rather than objective histories, which means that the authors had every reason to shape their stories around earlier predictions. Third, scholars now believe that some Bible texts once thought to be prophecies (for example in the Book of Revelation) actually relate to events that were past or current at the time of writing. Finally, a psychological phenomenon known as the Barnum Effect ensures that those who want to believe in prophecies (or astrology, for that matter) will find amazing coincidences if they look hard enough.
9.Some Jesus quotes not from Jesus, others uncertain. Lists of favorite Jesus sayings abound online. Some of the most popular are the Beatitudes (Blessed are the meek, etc.) or the story of the woman caught in adultery (Let he who is without sin cast the first stone) or the Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, which, we are told, sums up the Law and the Prophets.) Which words actually from Jesus? This question has been debated fiercely by everyone from 3rd century Catholic Councils to the 20th Century Jesus Seminar. Even Thomas Jefferson weighed in, but much remains unclear. The New Testament Gospels were written long after Jesus would have died, and no technology existed with which to record his teachings in real time, unless a he wrote them down himself, which he didnt. We can be confident that at least some of the wise and timeless words and catchy proverbs attributed to Jesus are actually from earlier or later thinkers. For example, the Golden Rule was articulated before the time of Christ by the Rabbi Hillel the Elder, who similarly said it was the whole Torah. By contrast, the much loved story of the woman caught in adultery doesnt appear in manuscripts until the 4th century. Attributing words (or whole texts) to a famous person was common in the Ancient Near East, because it gave those words extra weight. Small wonder, then, that so many genuinely valuable insights ended up, in one way or another, paired with the name of Jesus.
The person of Jesus, if indeed there was a single historical rabbi at the root of our traditions, is shrouded in the fog of history leaving us only with a set of hunches and traditions that far too often get treated as knowledge. The facts I have listed here are largely trivial; it doesnt really matter whether Jesus was tall or short, or how he cut his hair. But it does matter, tremendously, that facts people claim to know about how Jesus saw himself, and God and humanity are equally tenuous. In the words of Mark Twain: It aint what you dont know that gets you into trouble. Its what you know for sure that just aint so.
The teachings attributed to Jesus mix enduring spiritual and moral insights with irrelevancies and Judaica and bits of Iron Age culture, some of which are truly awful. That leaves each of us, from the privileged vantage of the 21st century, with both a right and a responsibility to consider the evidence and make our own best guesses about what is real and how we should then live. A good starting place might be a little more recognition that we dont know nearly as much as wed like to think, and a lot of what we know for sure is probably wrong.
Jun 30, 2015 21:12:32 #
DJRich wrote:
Some interesting perpectives br br --------------... (show quote)
Great post! Really enjoyed it!
Especially the quote from Mark Twain. :thumbup:
Personally in my opinion, Jesus was a myth. And Christianity is just another religion, no better than any other religion ever invented by humans.
Anyways Thanks for this post. :thumbup: :thumbup:
I'm guessing you will here from a lot of people on here that absolutely know everything and they are sure of it! LOL!
Jul 1, 2015 11:37:28 #
The fact is that there was no description of Jesus anywhere in the Bible. When he ascended back to Heaven he told the Apostles that He would send the Holy Spirit to them who would remind them of everything He said to them..The Bible is written by men but God inspired. So whoever gave you those 9 things made them up...
Jul 1, 2015 12:47:10 #
Humility wrote:
The fact is that there was no description of Jesus anywhere in the Bible. When he ascended back to Heaven he told the Apostles that He would send the Holy Spirit to them who would remind them of everything He said to them..The Bible is written by men but God inspired. So whoever gave you those 9 things made them up...
Just like they made up the bible.
Why didn't god just inspire everyone?
Why only a select few?
In fact, why even write any of it down?
Just remind everyone everyday. He is after all omnipresent.
Jul 1, 2015 13:15:29 #
DJRich wrote:
Some interesting perpectives br br --------------... (show quote)
AND?
Why would you go to so much trouble?
Lucifer will go to no lengths to debunk the truth about Jesus.
Maybe you can assist him a bit more if you search the internet a bit harder!
Jul 1, 2015 15:10:35 #
OPP Readers: And specifically to diehard Atheists Pagans on this OPP website thread.
After doing some research on Atheist Valerie Tarico, and finding multiple links to her web article's postings. "9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong And similar variations on the same article theme."
This Anti-Christian article is a "Six Month Old," is a re-hashed-recycled "Old New's" web-article. That has been some how mysteriously been "Resurrected from The Dead," from past web-site's. e.g.,
February 2015." See reference articles post's, 'Re-post's and article rebuttals to Atheist Valerie Tarico. (See; below)
Several notable authors have reviewed and rebutted Atheist Valerie Tarico web article, and I'm glad I don't have to do the research, which is a lot of fact checking and work.
Can you believe it was "re-born" and re-posted yesterday, on the OPP post thread by DJRich. "Some 'FACTS" about Jesus Christ are just totally wrong in the article."
Simply amazing, I'm dumbfounded by some OPP members, in their stupidity and 'Holier-Than-Though-Atheistic Attitude and post a debunked main-stream media article from February. That some-one would not fact-check this article ?
Go figure, DJRich and others on the OPP website, their integrity would stoop this low.
What can I say, we're only human.
As Jesus Christ was Arrested, Tried in a Religious and Political Court, seven times, Jesus was found innocent, mind you. Scourged beyond recognition, ridiculed and despised for our sin's and was nailed to the Cross and suffered Crucifixion and death. The placard on the cross stated Jesus King of the Jews.
And Jesus Christ last words were recorded. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.
Athiest, Valerie Tarico, DJRich and others. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.
This website article written by Athiest, Valerie Tarico is just another rehashing of the same anti-hate-speech-Anti-Christian perpetrated theme. This is just more nonsense by these Atheists and pagans to discourage your belief in Jesus Christ, and attack your religious principles.
OPP readers, know your "Atheist Adversaries," know how they operate. A kick in the pants, a stab in the back, they are relentless in their anti-Christian religious attacks. Can these Atheists help themselves ? Apparently not by their posting of this article post ?
OPP readers, "There is nothing New Under The Sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9, "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Hope you get the idiom pun.
Now one would have to ask, why would a author and notable websites 'Re-hash this same web article or variation. One, could come to several conclusion's:
a. They got website traction the last time ?
b. They needed hit's for their core web-bace readers, and for website funding.
c. They needed the notoriety, anti-Christian bashing, and or the author needed money, because she has writer's block.
Whatever the reason, is there any journalistic credibility here or fact worthiness to the post article ?
The article has been totally debunked.
So when our own self appointed Atheist's push their "Liberal, Regressive" agenda viewpoints on OPP readers. e.g., like DJRich, and others on the OPP website, who at this very moment are probably salivating, peeing and defecting in their pants on the article debasing the name of Jesus Christ and Christians.
Just remember they created their own joyful stink. I'm only vetting their anti-Christian stink.
Remember the old cliché that sum's their hate filled, bodacious, audacity towards religious people and their Anti-Christian message:Once bitten twice shy."
So who could be the disingenuous parties and contentious person's on the OPP website, spreading their lies and deceit and evil ? I'll let you decide ?
Are these credible OPP post articles? Are they honest post articles and honest posted comments,? Are they fact's worthy and do their posts and comments warrant a rebuttal or reply ?
You the OPP reader's you decide ?
Valerie Tarico, article, DJRich and others on this OPP website post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than hate-filled-speech and religious bigotry.
To counter this article I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong."
The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all.
I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.
I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature."
Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet.
This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've found some interesting perspectives about Valerie Tarico, AlterNet.com, salon.com, rawstory.com and other minor websites.
This is a story that has been touted on the web, for over six months now.
The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015
http://www.alternet.org/belief/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong March 2, 2015
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/here-are-9-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/02/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/did-historical-jesus-exist-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so/
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarico20150301
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/26/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://vridar.org/2015/02/26/nine-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html
After doing some research on Atheist Valerie Tarico, and finding multiple links to her web article's postings. "9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong And similar variations on the same article theme."
This Anti-Christian article is a "Six Month Old," is a re-hashed-recycled "Old New's" web-article. That has been some how mysteriously been "Resurrected from The Dead," from past web-site's. e.g.,
February 2015." See reference articles post's, 'Re-post's and article rebuttals to Atheist Valerie Tarico. (See; below)
Several notable authors have reviewed and rebutted Atheist Valerie Tarico web article, and I'm glad I don't have to do the research, which is a lot of fact checking and work.
Can you believe it was "re-born" and re-posted yesterday, on the OPP post thread by DJRich. "Some 'FACTS" about Jesus Christ are just totally wrong in the article."
Simply amazing, I'm dumbfounded by some OPP members, in their stupidity and 'Holier-Than-Though-Atheistic Attitude and post a debunked main-stream media article from February. That some-one would not fact-check this article ?
Go figure, DJRich and others on the OPP website, their integrity would stoop this low.
What can I say, we're only human.
As Jesus Christ was Arrested, Tried in a Religious and Political Court, seven times, Jesus was found innocent, mind you. Scourged beyond recognition, ridiculed and despised for our sin's and was nailed to the Cross and suffered Crucifixion and death. The placard on the cross stated Jesus King of the Jews.
And Jesus Christ last words were recorded. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.
Athiest, Valerie Tarico, DJRich and others. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.
This website article written by Athiest, Valerie Tarico is just another rehashing of the same anti-hate-speech-Anti-Christian perpetrated theme. This is just more nonsense by these Atheists and pagans to discourage your belief in Jesus Christ, and attack your religious principles.
OPP readers, know your "Atheist Adversaries," know how they operate. A kick in the pants, a stab in the back, they are relentless in their anti-Christian religious attacks. Can these Atheists help themselves ? Apparently not by their posting of this article post ?
OPP readers, "There is nothing New Under The Sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9, "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Hope you get the idiom pun.
Now one would have to ask, why would a author and notable websites 'Re-hash this same web article or variation. One, could come to several conclusion's:
a. They got website traction the last time ?
b. They needed hit's for their core web-bace readers, and for website funding.
c. They needed the notoriety, anti-Christian bashing, and or the author needed money, because she has writer's block.
Whatever the reason, is there any journalistic credibility here or fact worthiness to the post article ?
The article has been totally debunked.
So when our own self appointed Atheist's push their "Liberal, Regressive" agenda viewpoints on OPP readers. e.g., like DJRich, and others on the OPP website, who at this very moment are probably salivating, peeing and defecting in their pants on the article debasing the name of Jesus Christ and Christians.
Just remember they created their own joyful stink. I'm only vetting their anti-Christian stink.
Remember the old cliché that sum's their hate filled, bodacious, audacity towards religious people and their Anti-Christian message:Once bitten twice shy."
So who could be the disingenuous parties and contentious person's on the OPP website, spreading their lies and deceit and evil ? I'll let you decide ?
Are these credible OPP post articles? Are they honest post articles and honest posted comments,? Are they fact's worthy and do their posts and comments warrant a rebuttal or reply ?
You the OPP reader's you decide ?
Valerie Tarico, article, DJRich and others on this OPP website post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than hate-filled-speech and religious bigotry.
To counter this article I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong."
The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all.
I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.
I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature."
Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet.
This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've found some interesting perspectives about Valerie Tarico, AlterNet.com, salon.com, rawstory.com and other minor websites.
This is a story that has been touted on the web, for over six months now.
The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015
http://www.alternet.org/belief/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong March 2, 2015
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/here-are-9-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/02/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/did-historical-jesus-exist-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so/
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarico20150301
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/26/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://vridar.org/2015/02/26/nine-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html
Jul 1, 2015 15:17:57 #
Pap Pap
Loc: Etna, PA
Humility wrote:
The fact is that there was no description of Jesus anywhere in the Bible. When he ascended back to Heaven he told the Apostles that He would send the Holy Spirit to them who would remind them of everything He said to them..The Bible is written by men but God inspired. So whoever gave you those 9 things made them up...
I'm with you on this one Humility. I'm pretty happy with the Jesus I know and love. ;-)
Jul 1, 2015 15:26:25 #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
Just like they made up the bible.
Why didn't God just inspire everyone?
Why only a select few?
In fact, why even write any of it down?
Just remind everyone everyday. He is after all omnipresent.
Why didn't God just inspire everyone?
Why only a select few?
In fact, why even write any of it down?
Just remind everyone everyday. He is after all omnipresent.
Just to remind you m.
You don't know everything, you only spout off hatred and anti-Religious-Christrian bigotry. Just look at your feeble and inept questions. Your the king, of the Atheist one-liners that's all you well ever be. You can't back-up one of your assertions and claims with facts and references. Shame, shame shame.
OPP Readers: And specifically to diehard Atheists Pagans on this OPP website thread.
After doing some research on Atheist Valerie Tarico, and finding multiple links to her web article's postings. "9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong And similar variations on the same article theme."
This Anti-Christian article is a "Six Month Old," is a re-hashed-recycled "Old New's" web-article. That has been some how mysteriously been "Resurrected from The Dead," from past web-site's. e.g.,
February 2015." See reference articles post's, 'Re-post's and article rebuttals to Atheist Valerie Tarico. (See; below)
Several notable authors have reviewed and rebutted Atheist Valerie Tarico web article, and I'm glad I don't have to do the research, which is a lot of fact checking and work.
Can you believe it was "re-born" and re-posted yesterday, on the OPP post thread by DJRich. "Some 'FACTS" about Jesus Christ are just totally wrong in the article."
Simply amazing, I'm dumbfounded by some OPP members, in their stupidity and 'Holier-Than-Though-Atheistic Attitude and post a debunked main-stream media article from February. That some-one would not fact-check this article ?
Go figure, DJRich and others on the OPP website, their integrity would stoop this low.
What can I say, we're only human.
As Jesus Christ was Arrested, Tried in a Religious and Political Court, seven times, Jesus was found innocent, mind you. Scourged beyond recognition, ridiculed and despised for our sin's and was nailed to the Cross and suffered Crucifixion and death. The placard on the cross stated Jesus King of the Jews.
And Jesus Christ last words were recorded. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.
Athiest, Valerie Tarico, DJRich and others. "Forgive them Father, for they know what they do.
This website article written by Athiest, Valerie Tarico is just another rehashing of the same anti-hate-speech-Anti-Christian perpetrated theme. This is just more nonsense by these Atheists and pagans to discourage your belief in Jesus Christ, and attack your religious principles.
OPP readers, know your "Atheist Adversaries," know how they operate. A kick in the pants, a stab in the back, they are relentless in their anti-Christian religious attacks. Can these Atheists help themselves ? Apparently not by their posting of this article post ?
OPP readers, "There is nothing New Under The Sun." Ecclesiastes 1:9, "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." Hope you get the idiom pun.
Now one would have to ask, why would a author and notable websites 'Re-hash this same web article or variation. One, could come to several conclusion's:
a. They got website traction the last time ?
b. They needed hit's for their core web-bace readers, and for website funding.
c. They needed the notoriety, anti-Christian bashing, and or the author needed money, because she has writer's block.
Whatever the reason, is there any journalistic credibility here or fact worthiness to the post article ?
The article has been totally debunked.
So when our own self appointed Atheist's push their "Liberal, Regressive" agenda viewpoints on OPP readers. e.g., like DJRich, and others on the OPP website, who at this very moment are probably salivating, peeing and defecting in their pants on the article debasing the name of Jesus Christ and Christians.
Just remember OPP readers they the Atheists created their own joyful stink. I'm only vetting their Atheists anti-Christian stink.
Jul 1, 2015 15:26:52 #
Remember the old cliché that sum's their hate filled, bodacious, audacity towards religious people and their Anti-Christian message:Once bitten twice shy."
So who could be the disingenuous parties and contentious person's on the OPP website, spreading their lies and deceit and evil ? I'll let you decide ?
Are these credible OPP post articles? Are they honest post articles and honest posted comments,? Are they fact's worthy and do their posts and comments warrant a rebuttal or reply ?
You the OPP reader's you decide ?
Valerie Tarico, article, DJRich and others on this OPP website post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than hate-filled-speech and religious bigotry.
To counter this article I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong."
The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all.
I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.
I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature."
Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet.
This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've found some interesting perspectives about Valerie Tarico, AlterNet.com, salon.com, rawstory.com and other minor websites.
This is the article story that has been touted vetted and debunked on the web, for over six months now.
The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015
http://www.alternet.org/belief/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/here-are-9-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/02/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/did-historical-jesus-exist-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so/
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarico20150301
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/26/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://vridar.org/2015/02/26/nine-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html
So who could be the disingenuous parties and contentious person's on the OPP website, spreading their lies and deceit and evil ? I'll let you decide ?
Are these credible OPP post articles? Are they honest post articles and honest posted comments,? Are they fact's worthy and do their posts and comments warrant a rebuttal or reply ?
You the OPP reader's you decide ?
Valerie Tarico, article, DJRich and others on this OPP website post assertions are degrading to Christians and to Jesus Christ, this is nothing less than hate-filled-speech and religious bigotry.
To counter this article I found two website rebuttal's commentaries. "9 Things Salon.com Gets Wrong About Jesus." by author by Jon Sorensen at http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
Bart Ehrman, another website critic gave a scathing review, of Valerie Tarico, article, "Here are 9 facts you know for sure about Jesus that are probably wrong."
The article contains so much historical puerility and so many allusions idiomatic to sensationalist conspiracy writers that I would rather it not be read at all.
I'm aware my words have been harsh, but I deem them appropriate considering Tarico's ideas have been spotlighted by Salon, Huffington and Alternet.
I'd like to think Salon and Alternet would update corrections to this article they are "proud to feature."
Salon promises on its corrections page it "strives to publish accurate information at all times." I have not found a corrections page for Alternet.
This is a good chance to test their integrity, but I'm not holding my breath.
I've found some interesting perspectives about Valerie Tarico, AlterNet.com, salon.com, rawstory.com and other minor websites.
This is the article story that has been touted vetted and debunked on the web, for over six months now.
The Original post: Salon.com, February, 2, 2015
The Re-posted articles:
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on February 25, 2015
Wakingtimes.com, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
vridar.org, Re-posted on February 26, 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted on February, 27 2015
ieet.org, Re-posted on Mar 1, 2015
Benstanhope.blogspot.com, Re-posted on March 2, 2015
AlterNet.com, Re-posted on June, 30 2015
Rawstory.com Re-posted 30 June 2015
http://www.alternet.org/belief/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-are-probably-wrong
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/here-are-9-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/02/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/08/did-historical-jesus-exist-growing-number-of-scholars-dont-think-so/
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/tarico20150301
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/02/26/9-things-you-think-you-know-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://vridar.org/2015/02/26/nine-facts-you-know-for-sure-about-jesus-that-are-probably-wrong/
http://www.strangenotions.com/9-things-salon-com-gets-wrong-about-jesus/
http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-historical-wreck-response-to-taricos.html
Jul 1, 2015 17:01:14 #
DJRich wrote:
Some interesting perpectives br br --------------... (show quote)
Do you think anybody besides Doc110 actually cares what Doc110 thinks?
Jul 1, 2015 18:11:12 #
Ahh, Troll language, I see. Very good m, your doing just fine in your Atheistic Progressive rut.
More one-liners, again, again, again, again, boring m.
Time to get a new writing "Shtick" more than 11 words in your comments.
Dam, still no answers to the historical reply to the Jewish Pentateuch, Midrash, Tumid and Torah references, to Jesus Christ, 2000 years ago ?
Upsetting isn't it, your kinda stumped m, as to the historical validity of Jesus Christ. Why is that m.?
Do some research, I gave you the websites url's. By the way I have more websites to back up those Jewish records.
What,'s the problem m. can't your atheist progressive brain think past, a contrived Darwinistic, Evolutionist and Solipsism explanation of Jesus Christ Christian Lord and Savior ?
Yeah, and I'm a rocket scientist also. . . . You don't know compost. . . . . . . I guess it time to climb in the trees again, right, and eat some, Eye of Newt, and Toe of Frogge, Wool of Bat, and Tongue of Dogge ... Shakespeare.
More one-liners, again, again, again, again, boring m.
Time to get a new writing "Shtick" more than 11 words in your comments.
Dam, still no answers to the historical reply to the Jewish Pentateuch, Midrash, Tumid and Torah references, to Jesus Christ, 2000 years ago ?
Upsetting isn't it, your kinda stumped m, as to the historical validity of Jesus Christ. Why is that m.?
Do some research, I gave you the websites url's. By the way I have more websites to back up those Jewish records.
What,'s the problem m. can't your atheist progressive brain think past, a contrived Darwinistic, Evolutionist and Solipsism explanation of Jesus Christ Christian Lord and Savior ?
Yeah, and I'm a rocket scientist also. . . . You don't know compost. . . . . . . I guess it time to climb in the trees again, right, and eat some, Eye of Newt, and Toe of Frogge, Wool of Bat, and Tongue of Dogge ... Shakespeare.
Jul 3, 2015 10:34:59 #
Pap Pap
Loc: Etna, PA
Doc110 wrote:
Just to remind you m. br br color=blue b You d... (show quote)
Doc tell us how you really feel.
I agree with you whole heartedly. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Jul 3, 2015 11:06:19 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
DJRich wrote:
Some interesting perpectives br br --------------... (show quote)
There are zero bible believers who will ever objectively look at what is being determined about the bible and its "history"; how it was written, what there is to verify its contents, etc.
I find it amazing the tenacity with which these "believers" hang on to myths and religious beliefs. Psychologists have shown how humans are sort of hard wired to believe the unbelievable. Its very interesting and very weird.
Jul 3, 2015 11:30:22 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
There are zero bible believers who will ever objectively look at what is being determined about the bible and its "history"; how it was written, what there is to verify its contents, etc.
I find it amazing the tenacity with which these "believers" hang on to myths and religious beliefs. Psychologists have shown how humans are sort of hard wired to believe the unbelievable. Its very interesting and very weird.
I find it amazing the tenacity with which these "believers" hang on to myths and religious beliefs. Psychologists have shown how humans are sort of hard wired to believe the unbelievable. Its very interesting and very weird.
The longer you believe something, the convinced you become of its truthfulness, even though you have not been presented with any more evidence to support your previously established belief.
And the old folks on this forum have been believing fir a very long time! LOL!
Jul 3, 2015 11:41:12 #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
The longer you believe something, the convinced you become of its truthfulness, even though you have not been presented with any more evidence to support your previously established belief.
And the old folks on this forum have been believing fir a very long time! LOL!
And the old folks on this forum have been believing fir a very long time! LOL!
Usually age creates maturity and wisdom.
Not the case 100% of the time, true.
You young fellows got a mite to learn yet, if you are wise enough to assimilate the truth.
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