JW

You don't seem to understand how this works. Let me explain. I established the theme of this thread and I will do my best to keep it on track...which is, the foundation and aims of Progressive Liberalism. If you have anything to contribute to that theme, by all means, contribute. If you want to discuss the proper raising of children or other unrelated topics, try starting your own thread. If I find it sufficiently interesting, l will respond there.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

JW; You just hit one out of the ball park!!!

Marvin,Marvin.Marvin; This is embarrassing; my middle name is Marvin, after my dad.


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jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

You offer your ideals as if true and factual, as an expert. The blindness of one who rejects God, and the vitriol hate of true believers of our creator.



1.    Let us begin with what is true:   Our Declaration of Independence says our Rights come from God.   Our rights thus pre-date & pre-exist the U.S. Constitution.    The Declaration of Independence says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed......

So these, then, are the foundational principles of our Constitutional Republic:

Our Rights are unalienable and come from God;The purpose of civil government is to protect our God-given Rights;Civil government is legitimate only when it operates with our consent;  &Since the US Constitution is the formal expression of the Will of the People, the federal government operates with our consent only when it obeys the Constitution.

Because the Declaration of Independence identifies The Creator as Grantor of Rights, we look to The Bible – or the Natural Law – to see what those rights are.   The Bible – or the Natural Law – reveals many rights,  such as the rights to Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness;  to inherit, earn, and keep property;  the right of self-defense;  the right and duty to demand that the civil authorities obey the Law;  the right to speak;  the right to live our lives free from interference from civil government;  the rights of parents to raise their children free from interference from civil government;  the right to worship God;  etc.

2). Judges on the supreme Court have claimed, in recent decades, that the source of our "rights" is the Constitution, as such "rights" are defined and discovered, from time to time . . . BY THEM!

I'll show you how they did it:    The original intent of the 14th Amendment (one of the "civil war" amendments) was to protect freed slaves from southern Black Codes which denied them basic rights of citizenship.

But judges on the supreme Court have perverted the 14th Amendment to fabricate so-called "rights" which negate Rights God gave us and undermine the Moral Order!

Section 1 of the 14th Amendment reads in part:

"…nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…"

The original intent of that clause was that States couldn't go around lynching freed slaves and taking away their freedom and property.

But not so long ago, a handful of supreme court judges looked at the word, "liberty" in that clause, and claimed to have "discovered" underneath that word,  a "constitutional right" to kill unborn babies ;  and another "constitutional right" to engage in homosexual contact.

We will soon see whether the Supreme Court also "discovers" underneath that word, a "constitutional right" to same-sex marriage.

When we substitute federal judges for God as the source of our rights, the entire concept of "rights" becomes perverted.   Literally.

4. The "liberal/progressives" say our Rights come from "government."   They say a "right" is an entitlement to goods or services produced, or paid for, by somebody else:   So, they speak of the "right" to medical care;  the "right" to a free public school education;  the "right" to housing;  the "right" to food stamps;  etc.

But it is a contradiction in terms to speak of "rights" to stuff that is produced or paid for, by other people!  This is because it undermines our God-given or Natural Rights to private property, to the fruits of our own labors, and to liberty.  To hold that people who produce exist to be plundered by civil government for the ostensible benefit of others, is slavery.  Just as no one has the right to own another human being; so no one has the "right" to own the fruits of another man's labors.

To sum this up:

REMEMBER that clause in Our Declaration of Independence which states that our rights come from God, are unalienable, and that the purpose of civil government – the federal government – is to secure the Rights GOD gave us.

Our right do not come from the first Ten Amendments; they do not come from the Constitution as interpreted by federal judges; and they do not come from Congress which purports to give to their parasitic constituency the "right" to live at other peoples' expense.

Our Rights were bestowed by God, and as such, they transcend, pre-date & pre-exist the Constitution.

Your way over your head in this discussion fiatlux, quit while your behind! !! Your anger in your replies is obvious to all, Christ is truth, Christ is the answer, your rejection of truth, reveals your rejection of God....Christ.

The only Document the Hard Left hates as much as the Bible is Our Declaration of Independence! !!!

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Covered well.

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MarvinSussman

You simply said, without any facts, that progressives were just like soviet communists. I explained, with facts, that progressives are closer to the Founding Liberals than are Conservatives. You were unable to deal with facts and logic. You are a simple, fact-free, name-caller without a leg to stand on.

Git!

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Marvin; I am confused:
Are you for or against Communism?
Are you for or against Fascism?

JW

This was part 4, Marvin. With your obvious penchant for facts, I would have thought you would have known that. Try to catch up before you comment.

As for name calling, pot!

tmcsea1

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tmcsea1

Fiatlux, do you consider yourself a Christian?

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

I'll help you out with some facts, likely you will reject facts and remain as you are....a progressive communist. Sadly most progressives cheering the left agenda are largely unawares how crafty the minds writing the agenda are at repackaging communist language into the lefts agenda, one of the greatest deceptions upon the American.
Here is what Wikipedia has to say...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1948)#Communist_influence

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Great question tmsea; to one who attempts to tell others what the Bible says.
We are waiting for an answer flatlux.

tmcsea1

Good Morning Eagle Eye and thank you. I am so very curious as to how she answers that.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Yes and they have been doing this very thing since the late 60's!

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

This seems to me to be the foundation of progressives!

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/americas_destiny_in_the_balance.html

MarvinSussman

I went back to page 1. My last post was about your first post on this thread and my first response to your first post.

Catch up, retard!