JW

As I said when I opened this line of discussion, I used to be happily on the Left. I tell you that for two reasons; firstly, Like most on the Left, I was seduced by the desire to be nice, live nice, do good and share the world with the world, at peace; and secondly, there is a sound reason to reevaluate the decision to be on the Left, if that is where you find yourself today.

The Left promises a bright new tomorrow with sunshine dancing in the clouds, children playing happily, well fed and cared for, life fulfilled, purposeful, happy and secure. I will repost the following link, http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/77cons02.html and suggest that you read what you find there. It is a document that guarantees all of those things and more and it is unambiguous in the description of the idyllic life all Soviet citizens were entitled to under the benevolent rule of the Communist government. If the Soviet Constitution’s promises of free education, free healthcare, guaranteed employment, a living wage, guaranteed housing, clean environment, non discrimination and multicultural respect sound familiar, they should. They are exactly the things the American Progressive Left is promoting today.

You may have heard it said that Liberalism is a mental illness. I can assure you that it is not. Liberalism embodies some of mankind’s most altruistic dreams and finest motivations. There is one aspect of Liberalism that does qualify as a mental illness, the Left’s persistent belief that doing the same thing over and over again will eventually produce different results.

In spite of the promises, Soviet citizens lived in deprivation and want. Their stores had mostly empty shelves and their cars barely worked. They had no selection of goods to speak of and no money to afford them. The housing they had was dilapidated and the work they enjoyed was assigned to them by the state… but they did have all of those wonderful promises.

I have shown you that the Progressive agenda mirrors that of the old Soviet Union, I have shown you that the Progressives despise the concept of natural rights in their own words. I have shown you their ambition is to destroy the US Constitution and shown their claims that the document is empty and meaningless.

They deny they are Communists. They accuse anyone who pushes that word in their direction of name-calling and insulting them. Either they honestly are ignorant of the facts of their movement or they are afraid to let it become common knowledge. I suggest the latter, because even the most illiterate and gullible is aware of the human disaster that was the Soviet Union. They couldn’t sell that dream anywhere in America.

fiatlux

You guys are so lockstep and banal. And really dumb! Oh, and immature. Grow the hell up or shut up, you are really boring.

JW

Now, there's an argument to be proud of...

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Was that a desire to suppress you God given constitutional free speech? "Shut up".....
So I'm reading that should your position and "factual ties to communist", not be in lock step with the liberal/progressive/Marxist self thinking, then (rudely) comes a command to "shut up",
As you so eloquently pointed out,,........not much of an intelligent rebuttal, or as you state, "an argument to be proud of!!!

fiatlux

It is not an argument, numnutz, just a candid observation: learn the difference.

righty Loc: Tenn

Your observation is meaningless, as is your usual nonsensical banter

fiatlux

What? Too funny. Tortuous but I think I followed. "You God given constitutional free speech"? YOU God given? Forget that. Free speech is nowhere said to be "god (or God) given" in any founding documents. "Shut up" is a phrase used not to suppress free speech but to spare some idiot from more greatly embarrassing him- or herself.
"So I'm reading that should your position and "factual ties to communist", not be in lock step with the liberal/progressive/Marxist self thinking, then (rudely) comes a command to "shut up"," This makes zero sense: another beer or two?

JW

Try reading the Declaration of Independence...you'll find that it states that all liberties are God given.

fiatlux

How so, Oh great philosopher? Pray tell, do enlighten me? Or is Vulgate banter of ad hominem enough?

fiatlux

No, it does not and those liberties therein stated as god given, "the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," are paganistic ideas and not found in the Bible.

JW

Nice try, no cigar...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

fiatlux

It says that, yes, but it is a deist concept and contradictory to the Bible. The "unalienable rights" do not apply to Christians.

righty Loc: Tenn

The pray tell, whom do they apply to?

fiatlux

Secular society. The huddled masses. Just by the Declaration's assertions of those unalienable rights do we know for certain that America is NOT a Christian nation.

righty Loc: Tenn

WRONG.

America was founded on three documents: The Declaration of Independence; The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783, and the Constitution. These documents give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation. One does not need a law degree or a degree in history to grasp this truth. It is obvious to anyone who does not have an agenda.

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"

More examples:

Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”
Appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World”
With a firm Reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence”

The U.S. Constitution:

Although the body of the Constitution makes no reference to God. The Constitution honors the Christian Sabbath. The President was given 10 days to sign a bill into law. The counting of the 10 days does not include the Sabbath. This is found in Article 1, Section 7, and Clause 2 which in part follows:

“If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law,”

When the Constitution was completed on September 17, 1787, it was signed by the delegates then to be ratified by the states. The delegates signed the Constitution in the “Year of our Lord.” This is a direct reference to Christianity. This is found in Article 7 which in part follows:
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, GO WASHINGTON–Presidt. and deputy from Virginia

Paris Peace Treaty:

When the United States became a nation, it was done in the “name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.” The preamble to this Treat states it is based upon the “Holy and undivided Trinity.” The concept of the holy Trinity is unique to Christianity. This statement means the United States was founded on the Christian faith. The complete Preamble follows:
“In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity”

The Treaty then ends just like the Constitution with a statement it is being signed in the “Year of our Lord.” The witnesses representing the United States were John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Jay and D. Hartley. The section in part follows:

“In witness whereof we the undersigned, their ministers plenipotentiary, have in their name and in virtue of our full powers, signed with our hands the present definitive treaty and caused the seals of our arms to be affixed thereto.Done at Paris, this third day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three”

When this concept is applied to the Declaration of Independence, it is clear the reference to “All men are created equal,” was about the holy Trinity. The people of the United States are endowed by their Creator, the holy Trinity, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The God of the Bible is whom the United States is based upon. The unalienable rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness come from the Judeo/Christian God and no one else.

Just because these great men stated to keep religion out of government, in no way means that they did not turn to their Christian faith to draft these documents.

Sure wasn't founded on Atheist beliefs hey