Artemis wrote:
That was interesting, not being Jewish, I've never read their perspective of the story of Christ.
a. I don't recall him being stoned, as in the traditional way, unless it was included during his walk.
You make a valid point to where to go for recorded history.
b. Let me ask you as I have asked here before, why do you believe Christ had never created a book of his own thought and teachings?[/quote
[quote]b. Let me ask you as I have asked here before, why do you believe Christ had never created a book of his own thought and teachings?
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b. Quite honestly Artemis, I don't believe that I'm that presumptuous, that I could speak for Jesus Christ on this matter.As to the reason why Jesus did-not record or write anything down. The only thing I can say was that he was focused on salvation and his teaching ministry.
Are you having second thoughts about your question ? I've noticed from past comment, that this is also a recurring theme of yours and has not been answered ? Am I correct ? Having any doubts about his 650 plus, biblical prophetic references: Christ's birth, life and death of the Messiah ?
As with marcus's, and his belief their is no prove-able reference to the authenticity of the historical Jesus Christ. Unfortunately we have had no factual or have a intellectual discussion input from marcus, so I guess he is out of the picture for now.
Jesus did have the twelve Apostles, and I'm sure that he found many character traits and abilities for his newly founded Christian Jewish ministry. Most probably Jesus instructed his Apostles as to the course of action they to have taken during and after his death.
Tell me why did Jesus's Christian Jewish ministry succeeded and flourished with the Jew's, Samaritans, the Roman's and the pagan world ?
Why did Jesus Christ ministry succeed with-out the written words of Jesus Christ on velum or papyrus. I can't answer that question.
We see in Paul of Tarsus's letters to the 7 churches in Anatolia as to His success and in Acts' of the Apostles their success with-out the writings of Jesus Christ. Or did he have copies of them ? Or references to them.
The message and teaching by the Apostles must have been profound and compelling.
Was it his Jewish understanding of the old Testament Torah, his teaching abilities, his oration abilities, or was it, Jesus Christ's abilities to perform miracles; e.g., healing of the sick, casting out demons, feeding the masses, and raising of the dead ect. ?
What was Jesus's relationship with the people and how he related to the common folk and was beloved by the masses ?
Jesus also had another side, an adversarial condemnation of the Scribes (politicians) Pharisees, Sadducees and the Essenes ?
Or was this the the Christ, the Messiah fulfilled ? In fulfillment of Biblical prophesy's ?
I'll let you make up your own mind ?
Artemis, Just look at the oral recordings of the Old Testament teaching and oral histories, do you think they had practiced be the "Bardi" of Middle-eastern oral traditions, found commonly though all cultures ?
People were not stupid or ignorant, they just didn't have computers, recording devices or pen and paper. Their brain capacity was no different from you or I. Those people had the same intellectual capabilities that you or I have.
Oral traditions of the "Bardi" was the easiest method used by many cultures to record history and traditions, even to this present day in some cultures practice this oral method, is still being practiced around earth.
I'm sure that these twelve Apostles were not stupid people or ignorant either. Judas Iscariot had been a trained by several Jewish rabbinical schools as was Paul of Tarsus and Luke the physician.
And what was the end results of the Apostles, by these untrained unorthodox people and scholars, look what they accomplished with God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The Greatest beautiful biblical book ever written and references the world has ever seen, the Gospels and letters of the New Testament.
The incredible Christian writers and their inter-weaving of biblical passages and references, prophecy of the Old and New Testament into and referenced bible. It's just incredible and divinely spirited messages from ordinary men, for all the world to read and contemplate on ?
Some Biblical references and prophecy go back over a thousand years or more.
But for practical reasons, Jesus's teaching, it would be the oral traditional methods of Oral Memory, as practiced be the "Bardi" recorded in Greek and Roman periods of ancient literature.
Bards, are a European term, from Celtic history as recorded by Julius Cesar of the French-Gaul wars, Spanish Celtic cultures, Germanic tribes and Britannia Celtic tribes, but all these culture's had a oral recorded tradition.
Look at the American Native's. But you knew that right ?
An interesting article on Oral traditions. bard.ansteorra.org/bardcraft/whatisabard.doc
The other reason would be to record on papyrus or animal vellum, it would have been cost prohibitive. As well as a scribe's to record these oral traditions. And Jesus chose a life of humble poverty and let his followers record for Christian Jewish posterity.
Thus like John the Baptist and Jesus Christ, they both related to the common poor populous and contrasted from the Scribes (politicians) Pharisees, Sadducees, and the Essenes's religious practices above the Dead sea and where the Dead Sea scrolls were buried in 200 bC.
The Dead Sea scrolls gives us great insight from the Jewish scrolls that Essenes's recorded, that were found and taught about their religious teachings and Jewish practices of that time period.
JFlorio, touched on some of the other political and other reasons.