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Oct 16, 2013 11:02:09   #
easlygary
 
1. Why were some Senators given special exemption from Obamacare and the same deal not offered to all.Seems illegle to me?
2. If it is the responsibility of congress to make laws or change laws, how can the executive branch ammend, change, or exempt certain groups from certain aspects of any law?
3. Is not it the responsibility of the judical branch to take action when such actions occur?

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Oct 16, 2013 11:08:22   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
easlygary wrote:
1. Why were some Senators given special exemption from Obamacare and the same deal not offered to all.Seems illegle to me?
2. If it is the responsibility of congress to make laws or change laws, how can the executive branch ammend, change, or exempt certain groups from certain aspects of any law?
3. Is not it the responsibility of the judical branch to take action when such actions occur?


1. It is Illegal, just not enforced.
2. Mis- use of Executive Order.
3. Yes, but since they are controlled by the Executive Branch due to the selection process, they are not going to do anything.

Term Limits will fix most of the above, but not all. Some we will have to fix ourselves.

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Oct 16, 2013 11:17:58   #
easlygary
 
1. if illegal, who are the enforcers, asleep at the switch?
2. who determines if executive orders are misued?
3. foxes watching the chicken house??

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Oct 16, 2013 11:21:45   #
vernon
 
easlygary wrote:
1. if illegal, who are the enforcers, asleep at the switch?
2. who determines if executive orders are misued?
3. foxes watching the chicken house??


if bohner folds on this shut down i will sit on my hands election day and not vote.i will not vote for any republican that folds and ill dam sure not vote for a demorat

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Oct 16, 2013 11:38:08   #
bahmer
 
easlygary wrote:
1. Why were some Senators given special exemption from Obamacare and the same deal not offered to all.Seems illegle to me?
2. If it is the responsibility of congress to make laws or change laws, how can the executive branch ammend, change, or exempt certain groups from certain aspects of any law?
3. Is not it the responsibility of the judical branch to take action when such actions occur?


Be careful or you might be called racist be the liberals for disagreeing with the great one Obama. That is what a lot of it boils down to. Most of them are to scared to uphold their constitutional duties that they all swore an oath to uphold even dingy Harry Reid swore the exact same oath.

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Oct 16, 2013 12:29:23   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
vernon wrote:
if bohner folds on this shut down i will sit on my hands election day and not vote.i will not vote for any republican that folds and ill dam sure not vote for a demorat


That is what they are counting on, us not voting. Please vote, just not for any incumbent. Vote for anyone one the ticket that even looks like they might be better than the ones we now have. If they won't pass term limits, we certainly can vote them out of office. Never vote for the same person more than twice, even if he is doing a great job. Sooner or later, power will corrupt.

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Oct 16, 2013 12:49:23   #
bahmer
 
Unclet wrote:
That is what they are counting on, us not voting. Please vote, just not for any incumbent. Vote for anyone one the ticket that even looks like they might be better than the ones we now have. If they won't pass term limits, we certainly can vote them out of office. Never vote for the same person more than twice, even if he is doing a great job. Sooner or later, power will corrupt.


Amen.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Oct 16, 2013 12:51:26   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
bahmer wrote:
Amen.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Thanks Bahmer.

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Oct 16, 2013 13:08:09   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Unclet wrote:
Thanks Bahmer.


When a president acks illegally there are two options. 1-- house brings impeachment the senate tries the case. No way are the Demorats going to convict Obuma of anything. So that is not an option under the constitution 2-- the president could be sued in Fed court and it would go all the way to the SC which is loaded with Socialists who make their own law at fine is a tax. Among the many consequences with that is now we can deduct all fines from our tax return. Good luck! Who would foot the lawyers bills to sue?

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Oct 16, 2013 14:43:45   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
easlygary wrote:
1. Why were some Senators given special exemption from Obamacare and the same deal not offered to all.Seems illegle to me?
2. If it is the responsibility of congress to make laws or change laws, how can the executive branch ammend, change, or exempt certain groups from certain aspects of any law?
3. Is not it the responsibility of the judical branch to take action when such actions occur?


Do you think it's all a conspiracy?

I do not understand the details of the workings of government (whether district, county, etc. up to federal). However, I do trust the workings and the processes of challenging misworkings that have been our process of governing since our national constitutional government was set up. The questions you raise have answers, but not necessarily simple ones. Our government processes aren't simple. Suffice it to say in regard to question #2 that a degree of discretion in administrative details (regulations) apparently is standard practice and regarding question #3 if legislative or administrative actions are questionable (illegal), suits can be filed in the judicial system to seek correction.

In regard to question #1, I do not understand the question. How are Senators exempted from the ACA? As I understand the ACA, no one has to buy health insurance nor is anyone excluded from purchase of health insurance. If I choose not to have health insurance I will pay a small "fine" (the Supreme Court termed it a tax). Are Senators exempted from the fine? Are they excluded from claiming "subsidy" of health insurance cost (limited to low income, which takes Senators out of the that picture--ha)? My own health insurance situation is this: retired, family insurance through my last employment (USPS). I have medicare A (hospitalization?) but have not signed up for Medicare B (diagnosis, treatment?) or D (medicine?), which would only duplicate what I'm already paying for nor have I signed up for supplemental health insurance since its cost and the co-pays etc. I pay with my own insurance up to maximum amount would more or less balance out. I've been told I might be paying less for Medicare B and D than the part I pay for my private insurance plan and its co-pays and maximums, but since I worked until age 74 I suspect late enrollment might involve higher medicare B payments--and besides, my private insurance covers my wife--separate medicare payments required for her probably would make medicare more expensive for us in any case. I also pay a considerable monthly fee for "long term care" insurance...not very long term (3 1/2 year covered, more time depending on smaller degrees of "institutionalization" involved--more or less the span of time involved in that sort of end game) and unsure how necessary but, as I understand it, long-term care is different from medicare A hospitalization by definition.

"The devil is in the details." Details of medical treatment and of insurance for potential treatment cost beyond one's personal means certainly are complicated. ha. The ACA attempts to deal with the insurance of medical treatment--perhaps poorly, perhaps too costly or like "green eggs and ham" perhaps quite palatable when actually "tasted." ha. In any case, not much different from insurance as employment benefit except universally available. The details of legislation and the details of administration are complicated and perhaps it's understandable that people see government as literally a devil. ha. However, believe me, our government is not a conspiracy...just mixed up and wrangling over costs (spending and taxes to pay for it) and details and what's needed or not needed. No need to get all worked up and extreme about it, however. Yes, don't throw the baby out with the wash water but also don't drown the baby in the wash tub, so to speak...and don't frighten the baby with so much yelling and screaming, pushing and shoving. ha.

So, is government a conspiracy? ACA socialism? Obama a muslim? a traitor? Come on, people, get real, look to the actual details not name calling.

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Oct 16, 2013 15:57:44   #
faithistheword
 
easlygary wrote:
1. Why were some Senators given special exemption from Obamacare and the same deal not offered to all.Seems illegle to me?
2. If it is the responsibility of congress to make laws or change laws, how can the executive branch ammend, change, or exempt certain groups from certain aspects of any law?
3. Is not it the responsibility of the judical branch to take action when such actions occur?




They keep saying how wonderful obamacare is--you'd think they'd be at the head of the line to sign up, wouldn't you? But, Noooooo, they're too poor to get such a wonderful plan, so they'll just stay on their taxpayer-paid plan, and be subsidized at that! It totally stinks!

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Oct 17, 2013 06:14:17   #
RONALD
 
If you sit on your hands and don't vote, it is just the same as vote for Democratic. If you don't vote for a Republican the Democrats just received one extra vote.

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Oct 17, 2013 09:33:33   #
Buck Loc: Valparaiso,IN
 
easlygary wrote:
1. Why were some Senators given special exemption from Obamacare and the same deal not offered to all.Seems illegal to me?
2. If it is the responsibility of congress to make laws or change laws, how can the executive branch ammend, change, or exempt certain groups from certain aspects of any law?
3. Is not it the responsibility of the judical branch to take action when such actions occur?

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Oct 17, 2013 10:51:01   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Unclet wrote:
1. It is Illegal, just not enforced.
2. Mis- use of Executive Order.
3. Yes, but since they are controlled by the Executive Branch due to the selection process, they are not going to do anything.

Term Limits will fix most of the above, but not all. Some we will have to fix ourselves.


WE HAVE TERM LIMITS, it's called the election cycle

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Oct 17, 2013 10:53:51   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
vernon wrote:
if bohner folds on this shut down i will sit on my hands election day and not vote.i will not vote for any republican that folds and ill dam sure not vote for a demorat


He folded like a cheap suit. Now what???

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