bdamage Loc: My Bunker

Because the military is doing everything it can to distance itself from Christianity.

jeff smith

sad that you think it is the military distancing itself from religion. that is dictated from the asswipe you call president.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

Exactly....and his little "social engineering" project is, unfortunately, the military.

Orrie

Now that Obama got rid of all the officers who are true patriots in the military all that is left are Obama's boot shiners and ass kissers. I just hope there are still some troops left in the ranks that are faking it and will take the side of the American people against this usurper when the SHTF.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Jeff - Almost all historians and scholars disagree with you on the idea that the U.S. government was based on Christianity. While there are many, many good concepts in our history that are in alignment with many, many good values found in Christianity, I believe we never set out to be a theocracy. In fact some of our most important founding fathers identified themselves as deists, and often themselves railed against the intrusion of any form of religion in government.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

Oh Really?

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
George Washington
1st U.S. President


"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence


"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence


"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Thanks for the quotes bdamage. It looks like I need to do some more research or abandon my premise. I'm on the road in sunny Southern California this week so will have to follow up next week. Too difficult to do research on my phone!

jeff smith

not! it is dictated from the asswipe in the white house. destroy the ability of religion to be spread, to be silenced and your on the path of destroying the country. I want what I want and I want it now, is the way of discord. a way of creating dis obedience. every one out for them selves. don't care about what is good for the country just care about yourself and what the individual wants. again some thing to help in the down fall and destruction of America. America can not be allowed to stand as she is if the people pulling the strings are to acompolish their plans of a o.w.g. and if you think that , that might not be a bad idea. what are you willing to give up? what liberties? what freedoms? because in most countries you don't get to hunt with a firearm to put food on a table. you may not hunt , believing in corp. propaganda. we grow your food and bring it to the grocery store for you. you don't need to hunt your own food we do that for you. then they have you by the ----- with their make believe food shortages to jack up the price of what ever you buy from them. remember when the electric companies use to spit out their bull shit back in the 60's about conserving energy. what happened? they jack up the price of electricity so they could still have their income to keep taking more of your money and they could still buy their fancy cars and homes. their not going to loose any thing. but you and I will. guess I should shut up. I could rabble on for a long time about o. w. g. It's B. S. and we all will lose a lot more than you think.

badbobby Loc: texas

I'm sure bd can speak for himself Jelun
and I'm sure he knows how to erase
I feel he meant for it to be there

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

I guess that everybody that believes in separation of church and state is anti-Christian. I believe Christians have a right to practice their faith, but do not have the right to force it on others that don't share their beliefs. I certainly don't think that a dime of public funds should go to any religion.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

The military has a responsibility to provide religious services and counseling to those members of the armed services that want it. At times they have gone way over the top. High ranking Air Force officers have been trying to convert people in the service to Christianity through intimidation. This happened during the Bush administration. This is not their job and represents serious abuse. I wish my Christian friends well and hope that they get spiritual satisfaction from their faith, but I also hope that they give the same respect to other faiths as they do to their own, and to people that choose not to have any religion.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

A greed, public funds should never go to any organization calling themselves religious. However being a christian, follower of Jesus my lord, my saviour I have one question, how have Christians forced anything down your throat? Every civilization that removed. Their moral compass collapsed in history, how are Christians standing. For the ethics and morals our country was founded on, forcing anything? And do you believe Christians trying to keep America from clasping as others in history have is wrong?

badbobby Loc: texas

:thumbup: :thumbup:

astrolite

It is called the "Establishment Clause" for a reason, It prohibits the government ordering that EVERYONE must be of ONE religion, like In England, evicting Catholics and declaring that EVERYONE is now "Church of England" And prohibits any restrictions on any religion "doing it's thing". But it is being ignored to allow Islam to use their own religious law. And under various excuses to give billions to Muslims! Now! JUST WHO IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION?

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Have you not noticed the religious Christmas ornaments on public property? prayers in public schools until very recently? I think that the religious practices of Christians are beautiful. I especially like what Jesus of Nazereth said, " do unto others as you would have others do unto you". I also think that Christianity is a positive force in the world today, but it ought not be supported by the government or forced down non believers throats.