mwdegutis, I totally agree with you, for some reason they have shut down there minds even to forward the conversation on the post thread "Failure of Religion," and the reasons for failures in America and around the world.

Their thinking and rational is that it's a Christian-religious problem. Actually It's society problem, on the whole topic, that has lead to a moral decline in our values in America with 47 million people on a government handout, and that 70 % of those people never disclose their financial status and receive food stamps and benefits.

Its such a bigger problem than they even want to even acknowledge and or even want to discuss.

Morality its just not a Christian thought, its in all cultures agnostics and atheists. Obviously they can't clear their random access memory in their brains and get past this stumbling block as to the reasons for failure of religion and moral declined, they are inextricably united and can't be separated.

It's not God who failed us, it the moral equivalencies, like the Badbob, Marcus and Anigav6969 of the world, and the belief that all the worlds woe's are because of religion and God.

Point taken.
Doc110

mwdegutis, I totally agree with you, for some reason they have shut down there minds even to forward the conversation on the post thread "Failure of Religion," and the reasons for failures in America and around the world.

Their thinking and rational is that it's a Christian-religious problem. Actually It's society problem, on the whole topic, that has lead to a moral decline in our values in America with 47 million people on a government handout, and that 70 % of those people never disclose their financial status and receive food stamps and benefits.

Its such a bigger problem than they even want to even acknowledge and or even want to discuss.

Morality its just not a Christian thought, its in all cultures agnostics and atheists. Obviously they can't clear their random access memory in their brains and get past this stumbling block as to the reasons for failure of religion and moral declined, they are inextricably united and can't be separated.

It's not God who failed us, it the moral equivalencies, like the Badbob, Marcus and Anigav6969 of the world, and the belief that all the worlds woe's are because of religion and God.

Point taken.
Doc110

Talk about RED HERRING! . From failure of religion to food stamps? Now that's a red herring misdirection ploy.

Morality is not just a Christian thing. At least you admit it.

Morality is a human thing. No religion needed.

A Christian ideal of morality based on Christianity is
If you don't do good you will suffer eternal damnation, but if you do good the you get eternal reward. So Christians always have an agenda for their behavior. Fear of divine retribution or hopes of divine reward.

A humanistic approach to morality would be doing good for the sake of goodness. Not out of fear of punishment ,or in hope of a reward.

Here is the reason for the failure of religion;

Is God willing to prevent evil (failure of religion )
But not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.

Epicurus.

Hope this clears things up. LOL!

Talk about RED HERRING! . From failure of religion to food stamps? Now that's a red herring misdirection ploy.

Morality is not just a Christian thing. At least you admit it.

Morality is a human thing. No religion needed.

A Christian ideal of morality based on Christianity is
If you don't do good you will suffer eternal damnation, but if you do good the you get eternal reward. So Christians always have an agenda for their behavior. Fear of divine retribution or hopes of divine reward.

A humanistic approach to morality would be doing good for the sake of goodness. Not out of fear of punishment ,or in hope of a reward.

Here is the reason for the failure of religion;

Is God willing to prevent evil (failure of religion )
But not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.

Epicurus.

Hope this clears things up. LOL!

Talk about RED HERRING! . From failure of religion to food stamps? Now that's a red herring misdirection ploy.

Morality is not just a Christian thing. At least you admit it.

Morality is a human thing. No religion needed.

A Christian ideal of morality based on Christianity is
If you don't do good you will suffer eternal damnation, but if you do good the you get eternal reward. So Christians always have an agenda for their behavior. Fear of divine retribution or hopes of divine reward.

A humanistic approach to morality would be doing good for the sake of goodness. Not out of fear of punishment ,or in hope of a reward.

Here is the reason for the failure of religion;

Is God willing to prevent evil (failure of religion )
But not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.

Epicurus.

Hope this clears things up. LOL!

Maybe you should understand a little about Christianity. I promise not to be the most long winded say-nothing person you have ever encountered….

Let me explain the Christian doctrine of what you call “eternal reward.” Your eternal reward has NOTHING to do with doing good for the sake of goodness or in hope of reward. The only way to eternal reward is to openly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. THAT is how one gets eternal reward. It’s simple and free for anybody who desires it. Becoming more like Jesus Christ every day is a result of that decision. Notice I didn’t say it was an instant change.

As for your little “diatribe” about the reason for the failure of religion and how you describe God as being impotent, I think that you forgot about this little thing that God gave man called free will that He will NEVER interfere with.

I hope I didn’t take up too much of your valuable time or bore you. I promised succinctness.

Talk about RED HERRING! . From failure of religion to food stamps? Now that's a red herring misdirection ploy.

Morality is not just a Christian thing. At least you admit it.

Morality is a human thing. No religion needed.

A Christian ideal of morality based on Christianity is
If you don't do good you will suffer eternal damnation, but if you do good the you get eternal reward. So Christians always have an agenda for their behavior. Fear of divine retribution or hopes of divine reward.

A humanistic approach to morality would be doing good for the sake of goodness. Not out of fear of punishment ,or in hope of a reward.

Here is the reason for the failure of religion;

Is God willing to prevent evil (failure of religion )
But not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.

Epicurus.

Hope this clears things up. LOL!

You without a doubt are the most long winded say nothing person I have ever encountered.
Given you facts, examples and discussion questions, but It's all about you, and not the post thread, having to respond numerous one-liner comments. You think you control the argument, with the one-liner's.

Call something a red herring, whenever you have never no real answer.
Marcus your writing style is all about mis-direction and fallacies, I have to point this over and over again. Learn a new approach to writing.

Why does your omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient god allow the decline of religion in America?
Marcus It's called freedom of choice, we've been over this a million times. Christianity has had problems, just as Judaism and other religions and political movements, history teaches this.

And this statement answers the the question how?


If you choose to humans for this failure then you are also blaming God.
Did God pull the trigger of the "Gun" that killed millions of humans ?

According to you God made the creature that pulled that trigger. God's fault.



So God is failing humans.
God does not fail his creation. Learn from your mistakes, then why can't men, women and society learn from those same mistakes ? God gives free-will to choose, we fail one another often.

Clearly God's absence (or non-existence )is responsible for the failure of religion. Just staying on topic.



This is not a RED HERRING! Nor is it a misdirection. It is absolutely pertains to the topic.
Marcus your whole persona, your glib one-line responses on the forum is a fallacy, all of your comments are all over the place.

By your definition of a red herring, the difference is in the length of the response? Brilliant! You really are clueless. ( one liners =red herring, 1,000 word diatribes = no red herring ) you have any idea how stupid you sound?



My definition of Atheism is accurate. You just don't like it. Atheism, disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. Plain and simple.
Marcus I went deeper into the definition, than your simplistic dictionary approach. Duh. Did you get the same courtesy from the atheist, when you tries to prove wrong ?

There is no deeper definition. Duh.



Burden of proof rest on those making the assertion of the existence of something.
Chicken and the egg, time again. I sent you information on: Biology, Chemistry, the Origin of Life, Origin of Species, Origin of The Universe, Big Bang Theory, Evidence for Evolution, Radiometric Dating, Second Law of Thermodynamics, DNA Double Helix, Theory of Relativity, Carbon Dating, Morality, Intelligent Design, Causation and Order.

How is someone too respond to a list of words?

None of those words has anything with the burden of proof. By the way Intelligent Design is not real science. And the second law of Thermodynamics applies only to closed systems .




Here is scientific terminology that prove's the existence of God. You give the simplest and 'Minimalist of Term, on Atheism. Their more than Webster's version on Atheism, does your brain have "Off and On Position" ?

None of this is even coherent.



It's not possible to prove that something doesn't exist. Here is Scientific facts: Biology, Chemistry, the Origin of Life, Origin of Species, Origin of The Universe, Big Bang Theory, Evidence for Evolution, Radiometric Dating, Second Law of Thermodynamics, DNA Double Helix, Theory of Relativity, Carbon Dating, Morality, Intelligent Design, Causation and Order.

Just more incoherence. ... it's just a list...nothing more.




Speaking of misdirection, why all those references to Al Sharpton, and others like him? Al Sharpton, Jackson and Farrakhan are successful pervaders of "Mis-Direction," they just make more money at it, you're not successful at mis-direction.

I am not successful at misdirection because,I make no attempt to misdirect. That is your specialty.




You assumed because of my name that I was a black man. You have a Roman first name and a English sir name, didn't care one way or another, your post comments espoused your blackness.

You demonstrate your bigotry with this statement.
I am in fact a 54 year old Caucasian male .




Which then afforded you the privilege of talking down to me. And assume I lack an education. With that statement Marcus, "Your a 'Bigoted Racist" for calling me a Racist." You wear your racism like a shoulder patch, "Lordy, Lordy, I'm a victim of Racism." Stop sitting down on the toilet when you pee as a woman.

This is the part where you look like an absolute fool!
LOL


I have no respect for Christians like you Doc110. Period. As you have done nothing to warrant any respect. Respect is a two way street Marcus, If you want respect, then you have to give respect. You have never shown any respect for Christians on this forum, you show your true colors.

I will as soon as I meet one that is deserving of respect.


You make claims that you have personally witnessed a decline in society over the last 50 years. As though it's a fact and must be true because you said so. It's quite possible that you could be wrong and maybe the decline of religion is actually an indication of an improvement in society. Mis-direction again, facts and documentation. I've countered your position on threads, you provide only conjecture and no facts.

Read Steven Pinker's book titled " The Better Angels of our Nature ". You will be better for it.
Fairly certain he is not referring to actual Angels.




Speaking of misdirection how the heck does abortion have anything to do with a decline in religion in America? Try and stay on topic Doc. Are you dimwitted, look at histories, governmental failures. Are you this ignorant Marcus

The topic of this thread is about the failure of religion not abortion. Just more misdirection? Yes.


If you choose to respond please try and keep it brief and to the point. Your ramblings are actually torturous.
Why don't you keep your one-liner's down to a minimum as well Marcus. It's really torturous when you can stay focused on one subject, your one-liner's, your ramblings are actually torturous having to respond to them also.

Just more rambling incoherence.

Have a good day Doc110
Have a good day Marcus.