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Oct 14, 2013 17:52:01   #
Lily
 
Since when is it the NYT business what a football team's name is? If the Indian Tribes in Virginia, Maryland and any in Delaware do not care why des anyone care about some tribe from NY, the amateur in the White House and reporters? You don't like the team, don't watch it, just shutup.

The Redskins’ nickname was targeted by a protest outside the Metrodome in Minneapolis before the Super Bowl in 1992.
By WILLIAM C. RHODEN

On Jan. 14, 1963, Gov. George C. Wallace of Alabama delivered an inaugural address in which he declared his unwavering allegiance to “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation..

The Redskins logo was the focus of an Oneida Nation symposium in Washington last week.

Those words became an anthem of intolerance and a rallying cry for those who opposed civil rights, equal rights and human rights. Those words defined Wallace’s legacy.

Fifty years later, Daniel Snyder, the owner of the N.F.L.’s Washington franchise, is making an equally strident stand against civility that will define his legacy as an owner and as a citizen.

Snyder is facing a firestorm of pressure to change the team’s nickname, which has been attacked as out of date, out of touch, offensive and racist.

He has responded to critics by tossing out polls that show support for the nickname. He has also trotted out American Indians who say that they are not offended, ignoring voices who say they are. In the face of mounting criticism, Snyder remains defiant. In a May interview with USA Today, Snyder insisted: “We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”

Snyder is as misguided on this issue as he was in 1999, when he bought the team and thought that the way to win was to load his roster with stars. He was wrong then and he is wrong now. The difference was that then he offended only Washington fans; now he is offending a significant part of the nation. Criticism is coming from the White House as well.

In a recent interview with The Associated Press, President Obama said that “if I were the owner of the team and I knew that there was a name of my team — even if it had a storied history — that was offending a sizable group of people, I’d think about changing it.”

He added that he wasn’t convinced an “attachment to a particular name should override the real, legitimate concerns that people have.”

Obama is preoccupied at the moment, but the administration is almost certain to circle back to Snyder and the nickname issue.

This is not the first time groups have objected to the nickname.

I covered my first Super Bowl in January 1992 — Washington versus Buffalo, in Minneapolis — and attended two protests sponsored by the American Indian Movement, a civil rights group. One was at the University of Minnesota, objecting to the University of Illinois’s use of an Indian mascot. On Super Bowl Sunday, the group demonstrated in front of the Metrodome.

This time, protesters have a sympathetic ear in the White House, perhaps because the president is a member of a minority group that is all too familiar with the deleterious effect of stereotypes and slurs.

In addition to sounding like Wallace, Snyder is aligning himself philosophically with George Preston Marshall, the original owner of the Washington franchise.

By the 1961 season, Marshall’s was the only N.F.L. team not to have a black player on the roster. In October 1961, Stewart Udall, the secretary of the interior, said he would not attend a Washington game as long as the N.A.A.C.P. was picketing. Udall warned Marshall that his team would be prohibited from using the new federally owned stadium in the capital the next season unless it hired a black player.

Political pressure has a way of getting the attention of even wealthy team owners. In the next draft, Washington chose two black players: Ernie Davis, the Heisman Trophy winner from Syracuse, at No. 1, and Ron Hatcher, a fullback from Michigan State, in the eighth round.

Washington was the beneficiary of an unearned and tragic break. Davis was traded to Cleveland for Bobby Mitchell, but Davis was found to have leukemia and died, never playing a down in the N.F.L. Mitchell had a Hall of Fame career in Washington and was one of a long line of outstanding black players for the franchise.

In the 1987 season, Washington’s Doug Williams became the first black quarterback to lead his team to a Super Bowl victory.

Marshall and Wallace were on the wrong side of history. Wallace created an atmosphere of fear, hatred and divisiveness. Marshall barred players who could have helped his franchise avoid mediocrity during the 1950s and 1960s.

Snyder might object to being placed alongside Wallace and Marshall. By his insistence on using a term that offends even one person, however, he contributes to an atmosphere of intolerance and bigotry. Snyder has an opportunity to get on the right side of history, though I don’t expect someone as vain as he appears to be to change his team’s nickname voluntarily.

His refusal to change an offensive name is emblematic of our society’s tendency to wrap ourselves in the armor of self-interest regardless of who might be wounded or offended.

Sports has historically been a vehicle to bring us together. Increasingly, the enterprise is becoming one more tool of divisiveness.

Those of us who are appealing to Snyder’s sense of ethics and morals are barking up the wrong tree. If this were about morality, Snyder would not need surveys and handpicked American Indians to validate his point. He would stand alone on principle.

Snyder’s fight is an economic issue, revolving around licensing, marketing and branding. His stridency is based in money, not morality.

When you follow your wallet and ignore your conscience, you’re headed for moral bankruptcy.

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Oct 14, 2013 18:02:00   #
faithistheword
 
Lily wrote:
Since when is it the NYT business what a football team's name is? If the Indian Tribes in Virginia, Maryland and any in Delaware do not care why des anyone care about some tribe from NY, the amateur in the White House and reporters? You don't like the team, don't watch it, just shutup.

The Redskins’ nickname was targeted by a protest outside the Metrodome in Minneapolis before the Super Bowl in 1992.
By WILLIAM C. RHODEN




What an idiot! Liberals get offended by the strangest things! Killing babies doesn't offend them, just NFL team names! Go, Mr. Rhoden--be offended. Who cares? I'm offended by barry, harry, and nancy. Where do I go to be helped?
On Jan. 14, 1963, Gov. George C. Wallace of Alabama delivered an inaugural address in which he declared his unwavering allegiance to “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation..

The Redskins logo was the focus of an Oneida Nation symposium in Washington last week.

Those words became an anthem of intolerance and a rallying cry for those who opposed civil rights, equal rights and human rights. Those words defined Wallace’s legacy.

Fifty years later, Daniel Snyder, the owner of the N.F.L.’s Washington franchise, is making an equally strident stand against civility that will define his legacy as an owner and as a citizen.

Snyder is facing a firestorm of pressure to change the team’s nickname, which has been attacked as out of date, out of touch, offensive and racist.

He has responded to critics by tossing out polls that show support for the nickname. He has also trotted out American Indians who say that they are not offended, ignoring voices who say they are. In the face of mounting criticism, Snyder remains defiant. In a May interview with USA Today, Snyder insisted: “We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”

Snyder is as misguided on this issue as he was in 1999, when he bought the team and thought that the way to win was to load his roster with stars. He was wrong then and he is wrong now. The difference was that then he offended only Washington fans; now he is offending a significant part of the nation. Criticism is coming from the White House as well.

In a recent interview with The Associated Press, President Obama said that “if I were the owner of the team and I knew that there was a name of my team — even if it had a storied history — that was offending a sizable group of people, I’d think about changing it.”

He added that he wasn’t convinced an “attachment to a particular name should override the real, legitimate concerns that people have.”

Obama is preoccupied at the moment, but the administration is almost certain to circle back to Snyder and the nickname issue.

This is not the first time groups have objected to the nickname.

I covered my first Super Bowl in January 1992 — Washington versus Buffalo, in Minneapolis — and attended two protests sponsored by the American Indian Movement, a civil rights group. One was at the University of Minnesota, objecting to the University of Illinois’s use of an Indian mascot. On Super Bowl Sunday, the group demonstrated in front of the Metrodome.

This time, protesters have a sympathetic ear in the White House, perhaps because the president is a member of a minority group that is all too familiar with the deleterious effect of stereotypes and slurs.

In addition to sounding like Wallace, Snyder is aligning himself philosophically with George Preston Marshall, the original owner of the Washington franchise.

By the 1961 season, Marshall’s was the only N.F.L. team not to have a black player on the roster. In October 1961, Stewart Udall, the secretary of the interior, said he would not attend a Washington game as long as the N.A.A.C.P. was picketing. Udall warned Marshall that his team would be prohibited from using the new federally owned stadium in the capital the next season unless it hired a black player.

Political pressure has a way of getting the attention of even wealthy team owners. In the next draft, Washington chose two black players: Ernie Davis, the Heisman Trophy winner from Syracuse, at No. 1, and Ron Hatcher, a fullback from Michigan State, in the eighth round.

Washington was the beneficiary of an unearned and tragic break. Davis was traded to Cleveland for Bobby Mitchell, but Davis was found to have leukemia and died, never playing a down in the N.F.L. Mitchell had a Hall of Fame career in Washington and was one of a long line of outstanding black players for the franchise.

In the 1987 season, Washington’s Doug Williams became the first black quarterback to lead his team to a Super Bowl victory.

Marshall and Wallace were on the wrong side of history. Wallace created an atmosphere of fear, hatred and divisiveness. Marshall barred players who could have helped his franchise avoid mediocrity during the 1950s and 1960s.

Snyder might object to being placed alongside Wallace and Marshall. By his insistence on using a term that offends even one person, however, he contributes to an atmosphere of intolerance and bigotry. Snyder has an opportunity to get on the right side of history, though I don’t expect someone as vain as he appears to be to change his team’s nickname voluntarily.

His refusal to change an offensive name is emblematic of our society’s tendency to wrap ourselves in the armor of self-interest regardless of who might be wounded or offended.

Sports has historically been a vehicle to bring us together. Increasingly, the enterprise is becoming one more tool of divisiveness.

Those of us who are appealing to Snyder’s sense of ethics and morals are barking up the wrong tree. If this were about morality, Snyder would not need surveys and handpicked American Indians to validate his point. He would stand alone on principle.

Snyder’s fight is an economic issue, revolving around licensing, marketing and branding. His stridency is based in money, not morality.

When you follow your wallet and ignore your conscience, you’re headed for moral bankruptcy.
Since when is it the NYT business what a football ... (show quote)

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Oct 14, 2013 18:31:44   #
bahmer
 
Lily wrote:
Since when is it the NYT business what a football team's name is? If the Indian Tribes in Virginia, Maryland and any in Delaware do not care why des anyone care about some tribe from NY, the amateur in the White House and reporters? You don't like the team, don't watch it, just shutup.

The Redskins’ nickname was targeted by a protest outside the Metrodome in Minneapolis before the Super Bowl in 1992.
By WILLIAM C. RHODEN

On Jan. 14, 1963, Gov. George C. Wallace of Alabama delivered an inaugural address in which he declared his unwavering allegiance to “segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation..

The Redskins logo was the focus of an Oneida Nation symposium in Washington last week.

Those words became an anthem of intolerance and a rallying cry for those who opposed civil rights, equal rights and human rights. Those words defined Wallace’s legacy.

Fifty years later, Daniel Snyder, the owner of the N.F.L.’s Washington franchise, is making an equally strident stand against civility that will define his legacy as an owner and as a citizen.

Snyder is facing a firestorm of pressure to change the team’s nickname, which has been attacked as out of date, out of touch, offensive and racist.

He has responded to critics by tossing out polls that show support for the nickname. He has also trotted out American Indians who say that they are not offended, ignoring voices who say they are. In the face of mounting criticism, Snyder remains defiant. In a May interview with USA Today, Snyder insisted: “We’ll never change the name. It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”

Snyder is as misguided on this issue as he was in 1999, when he bought the team and thought that the way to win was to load his roster with stars. He was wrong then and he is wrong now. The difference was that then he offended only Washington fans; now he is offending a significant part of the nation. Criticism is coming from the White House as well.

In a recent interview with The Associated Press, President Obama said that “if I were the owner of the team and I knew that there was a name of my team — even if it had a storied history — that was offending a sizable group of people, I’d think about changing it.”

He added that he wasn’t convinced an “attachment to a particular name should override the real, legitimate concerns that people have.”

Obama is preoccupied at the moment, but the administration is almost certain to circle back to Snyder and the nickname issue.

This is not the first time groups have objected to the nickname.

I covered my first Super Bowl in January 1992 — Washington versus Buffalo, in Minneapolis — and attended two protests sponsored by the American Indian Movement, a civil rights group. One was at the University of Minnesota, objecting to the University of Illinois’s use of an Indian mascot. On Super Bowl Sunday, the group demonstrated in front of the Metrodome.

This time, protesters have a sympathetic ear in the White House, perhaps because the president is a member of a minority group that is all too familiar with the deleterious effect of stereotypes and slurs.

In addition to sounding like Wallace, Snyder is aligning himself philosophically with George Preston Marshall, the original owner of the Washington franchise.

By the 1961 season, Marshall’s was the only N.F.L. team not to have a black player on the roster. In October 1961, Stewart Udall, the secretary of the interior, said he would not attend a Washington game as long as the N.A.A.C.P. was picketing. Udall warned Marshall that his team would be prohibited from using the new federally owned stadium in the capital the next season unless it hired a black player.

Political pressure has a way of getting the attention of even wealthy team owners. In the next draft, Washington chose two black players: Ernie Davis, the Heisman Trophy winner from Syracuse, at No. 1, and Ron Hatcher, a fullback from Michigan State, in the eighth round.

Washington was the beneficiary of an unearned and tragic break. Davis was traded to Cleveland for Bobby Mitchell, but Davis was found to have leukemia and died, never playing a down in the N.F.L. Mitchell had a Hall of Fame career in Washington and was one of a long line of outstanding black players for the franchise.

In the 1987 season, Washington’s Doug Williams became the first black quarterback to lead his team to a Super Bowl victory.

Marshall and Wallace were on the wrong side of history. Wallace created an atmosphere of fear, hatred and divisiveness. Marshall barred players who could have helped his franchise avoid mediocrity during the 1950s and 1960s.

Snyder might object to being placed alongside Wallace and Marshall. By his insistence on using a term that offends even one person, however, he contributes to an atmosphere of intolerance and bigotry. Snyder has an opportunity to get on the right side of history, though I don’t expect someone as vain as he appears to be to change his team’s nickname voluntarily.

His refusal to change an offensive name is emblematic of our society’s tendency to wrap ourselves in the armor of self-interest regardless of who might be wounded or offended.

Sports has historically been a vehicle to bring us together. Increasingly, the enterprise is becoming one more tool of divisiveness.

Those of us who are appealing to Snyder’s sense of ethics and morals are barking up the wrong tree. If this were about morality, Snyder would not need surveys and handpicked American Indians to validate his point. He would stand alone on principle.

Snyder’s fight is an economic issue, revolving around licensing, marketing and branding. His stridency is based in money, not morality.

When you follow your wallet and ignore your conscience, you’re headed for moral bankruptcy.
Since when is it the NYT business what a football ... (show quote)


It doesn't bother me either way. I was in the boy scouts when young and they taught us a lot about the Indians and Indian lore. I have never even given it a thought until everybody brings it up. I even saw a couple of protesters at the Green Bay Game in green bay Wisc. I guess the only thing that both upsets me as well as kind of amuses me is this political correctness crowd. We used to call these people busybodies in my day and wondered if they had everything in order in their own homes. A lot of times we would find out their homes were more screwed up than ours. So to the political correct crowd go home and worry about your own life that should give you more than enough to do.

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Oct 14, 2013 20:42:10   #
Lily
 
bahmer wrote:
It doesn't bother me either way. I was in the boy scouts when young and they taught us a lot about the Indians and Indian lore. I have never even given it a thought until everybody brings it up. I even saw a couple of protesters at the Green Bay Game in green bay Wisc. I guess the only thing that both upsets me as well as kind of amuses me is this political correctness crowd. We used to call these people busybodies in my day and wondered if they had everything in order in their own homes. A lot of times we would find out their homes were more screwed up than ours. So to the political correct crowd go home and worry about your own life that should give you more than enough to do.
It doesn't bother me either way. I was in the boy ... (show quote)


There are other teams in other sports with indian type names. What is the big deal about Washington?

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Oct 15, 2013 14:29:56   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
Lily wrote:
There are other teams in other sports with indian type names. What is the big deal about Washington?


the derogatory word in the name is "washington"

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Oct 15, 2013 16:31:49   #
faithistheword
 
alex wrote:
the derogatory word in the name is "washington"




I guess if I had Indian blood, I'd be offended to be associated with Washington, too!

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Oct 15, 2013 17:52:02   #
bahmer
 
faithistheword wrote:
I guess if I had Indian blood, I'd be offended to be associated with Washington, too!


It seems like most of us are offended by Washington. To bad they don't get the picture though. I guess when all you are interested in is ones self it is hard to see others views.

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Oct 15, 2013 18:54:52   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Lily wrote:
There are other teams in other sports with indian type names. What is the big deal about Washington?


Agree with you, I simply like the name Redskins has a ring to it, seems tough and bold..at this date don't see it as an insult. Obviously was in the olden days.. More irritating was North Dakota with the name Fighting Sioux That was a great name and think it had to be given up....Much to much PC...

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Oct 15, 2013 19:21:05   #
Artemis
 
alex wrote:
the derogatory word in the name is "washington"


Are you referring to the father of our Country?

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Oct 16, 2013 17:47:59   #
faithistheword
 
maelstrom wrote:
Are you referring to the father of our Country?

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Oct 16, 2013 17:47:59   #
faithistheword
 
maelstrom wrote:
Are you referring to the father of our Country?

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Oct 16, 2013 17:48:03   #
faithistheword
 
maelstrom wrote:
Are you referring to the father of our Country?

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Oct 16, 2013 17:49:27   #
faithistheword
 
Yeah, right, that's what YOU would think!

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Oct 16, 2013 18:31:44   #
bahmer
 
maelstrom wrote:
Are you referring to the father of our Country?


No, the capitol of our country. Our founding fathers along with the Indians had character and bravery as well as the people respected them. Washington D.C. sucks and is a poor representation of this country and our founding fathers.

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