no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

http://www.conservativezone.com/articles/how-obama-has-crippled-higher-education/
If you want a clear and succinct explanation of the Marxist socialist education agenda start with this opinion piece.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Lets make this condemnation simple. Obama is staying in the DC area so his youngest child can finish her K-12 education at one of the most prestigious and expensive schools in the nation, while the black students living in the ghettos of DC, that were provided a voucher system by the Republicans to get out of the failing DC public schools, that were only graduating 40% of their students, to attend charter schools that actually gave them a good education, and an environment in which they could learn, was stopped by Obama and the Democrats, but later over-ridden and offered again by the Republicans.

Why do we call all liberals 'HYPOCRITES', because of their hypocrisy of not even mentioning this injustice of the young black children of the DC ghettos, let alone condemning the attempted destruction of the vouchered charter school system in the DC area, which is the only system offering them a real and good education, and Obama and the Democrats attempted to stop it, while their children attend schools like the one Obama's children have and is attending.

When school choice is eliminated because of finances, then only the privileged elite can get a good education for their children, and when forcing the children of the middleclass and poor to attend public schools, that have no accountability thanks to the support of Democrats, the education in those forced attendance schools becomes inferior to what the elitist's parents can provide for their children, causing different intelligence classes of American people, and caste system here in the USA. Why is this happening, so the Democrats can protect the jobs of their largest campaign contributors and donators, the 'Teacher's Unions', while the children suffer because those same teachers are not held accountable for the education product that they provide for the financially locked-in, educationally deprived, children of the USA.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Have you ever noticed how we tend to "improve" ourselves into chaos and failure? At one time, there were 1000's of hospitals all across the country, many in rural areas, and only serious cases referred to big city hospitals - then - some newly created PHD's "improved" things, by centralizing services. Now, they are beginning to realize that the "old way" was actually better - but not before some even newer PHD's rediscovered the old ways.

We do this everywhere about everything, assuming that "old" means inefficient, and that "new" will always improve things - only to rediscover the "old" all over again. Can you imagine how life would be, if we didn't insist on re-inventing the wheel every few years?

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Randy, You have your finger on one of the real problems of education. I taught in a county that had outstanding public schools. I've retired to South Carolina, where schools are pretty terrible. There are many reasons for this. The two most important are:
1. School systems that are terribly underfunded produce failure! They can't hire good teachers. In fact they have better teachers than they deserve. The rural schools in the state, are an example. they simply do not have the tools to provide a good education.
2. Education is simply not an important value to many parents and those in charge of state and local economies. In spite of the poor funding of these school systems, much of the available funds go to football and other athletic programs rather than academic programs.
Until these two problems are taken care of, don't look for improvement in American public education anytime soon.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

You know, I'm a pretty old fart, and when I was much younger, I believed as you do, but being older and wiser, I have learned much about the problem, and it isn't what you think it is, or which you have been indoctrinated to believe it is, at least not for the last 20 years.

Do you know which the two top failing school systems in the USA are? They are the Cook County Public School System (Chicago public school system in Illinois), which graduates only 39% of the students in their public school system, and the Washington DC Public School System (District of Columbia school system mostly funded by the federal government), which graduates only 40% of the students in their public school system.

Now do you know which the two top funded (per student funding) public school systems are in the USA? The first is the Cook County Public School System, which has been the highest funded public school system in the USA for many years, and just got a raise a couple years ago to keep it that way, while the second is the Washington DC Public School System, which also just received more funding about a year ago.

But the problem with the failure of these two public school systems is not because they spend most of their funds on football and other athletic programs, because the huge lion's share of those funds, the most funded school sysytems in the entire USA per student funding, goes to the 'Teacher's Unions' through salaries and benefits, the best in the entire USA, whose performance outcomes are the worst in the USA. This is because the 'Teacher's Unions' will not allow the public school systems to hold the teachers accountable for their failure to teach what the private and religous schools right across the streets are succeeding in teaching their students, at half the funding per student as the public schools are getting, and with better football and other athletic progams than the public school systems are providing.

The answer to this problem is competition, where the successful teaching is made available for all students, especially the students of low income parents, and this is easily done with a national voucher system, where the federal funds and state funds are pooled and distributed to each student equally, where it can be given to the schools of their parents choice. This will cause the closing of many failed schools, most being public schools, and will save the taxpayers in the counties across the USA much in taxes. Those who close their public schools, and allow students to attend the private and religious schools, who fund their own building of school structures, that is included in the school fees for each student, will save much in taxes.

This will turn out not only a better educated student, but also a more moral and law abiding citizen, who will also save tax payer money for law enforcement through a decline in crime rates because of a more moral and religious student citizen. These results have already been proven through statistical trends and facts. Unions know this, and is why they and their lacky Democratic politicians, who receive campaign funding from the unions, fight tooth and nail to stop this trend from taking over our education system. This would also stop the liberal, progressive, and Democratic (synonymous with socialists, c*******ts, and f*****ts) indoctrination of our young and future generations, who today most millenials believe socialism and c*******m are the best forms of government, despite the historic failures of every country who has ever attempted these systems of government.

Paybacktimeishere

The Progressive Socialist Move To Ruin
Education

They Ruined The Southern School's First, With
Their Lunatic, Socialist Desegregation, Race Mixing, & Deliberately Engineered, Social "Gov.'t
Experiment's"& Phony, E******y BULL SH*T!!!
The "TURNER DIARIES", were "SPOT ON"!
Time for A New Revolution, & REAL CHANGE!!!
After All, Who in the F**k, NEED'S N****R'S???

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

We do not need any more hatred from either side. I expect it from the "progressives" they were weaned on this nonsense, but it is totally unacceptable from anyone.

robmull Loc: florida

I believe "WE" have a radical secular liberal progressive in the ranks, npp, pretending to be who he has heard tales about what all the h**eful white conservatives are like. It's in their genes. It's their job. "TRUMP IS NOT MY PRESIDENT," doesn't stop in the street; just as electively (D)ecapitating the "Beast," didn't {yet} "(D)RAIN THE SWAMP." Soon. "Lefty," is completely clueless and doesn't even understand why Hillary lost the 2016 POTUS e******n; or even THAT Hillary lost the e******n. And the ugly "post" you refer to, is exactly who "lefty" is, trying to simulate "righty." NOT A CLUE!!! Conservatives and liberal progressives have become polar opposites. If "lefty" knew anything about patriotic conservatives, he/she would be one. "Lefty" sees that President Trump (R), is actually "MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN," AND THEY CAN'T STAND IT!!! Hummmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REP. TREY GOWDY (R); GOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

You are undoubtedly correct. Much like the Muslims who stage "h**e crimes against Muslims" to get sympathy and have laws protecting this particular group passed with no regard to the t***h.

Carol Kelly

They're teaching religion according to Allah but the Holy Bible and the mention of God, the Ten Commandments and prayer to the one and only God are forbidden. That's where it all began. I read that Putin requires prayer in school because he's aware that C*******m had done do much harm to Russia. Also, Russia is nearly 65% Christian, so if we're looking for God, maybe that's where we should look. I realize that Putin is far from rational, but if this is true, he at least has some smarts. It was on you tube but I can't direct you.

Carol Kelly

Obama is meeting with Merkel at a Democracy Counsel. Can we extradite him from Germany? Anyway, what does he know about Democracy? For that matter, what does Merkel know about it?

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Randy, The problem in both of the public school system in those cities that there is no clear sense of a value of the importance of education. Among some ethnic groups, education is all important, among others, not so much. In my experience, which is anecdotal, education is not a strong value among urban poor people. I taught in Brownsville, Brooklyn many, many years ago, and it was terrible. There were drug sales going on openly in the schools. There were violent attacks on kids by gang members, etc. No child can learn effectively if they don't feel safe.
Parents often are not connected to their children's education for a variety of reasons. Often, they are into drugs themselves, they are focused on just putting food on the table, they may have been turned off to education by their own bad experiences in school, etc.
In fact the most important goal in Montgomery County, Maryland where I taught for years was, " close the gap " between poor, mostly African American kids and the general school population. PTA meetings were poorly attended in mostly minority schools.
I don't know how to fix this problem, but a few things work, better behavior management teacher sk**ls can make a tremendous difference. Teacher contact with parents is another important factor.
I live in South Carolina now, and I see terribly funded schools in rural areas. The route 95 interstate corridor is called the corridor of shame, because of the underfunding of the schools. Poor school systems are a sign of societal problems. We damn well better fix it. We don't fix anything by taking funds from an underfunded school system and give it to private schools! In Georgetown County, the county just took away money for the public school system and spent it for road construction. If there isn't enough money available for what must be done, for G-ds sakes increase revenue. South Carolina is a strong Republican state so increase of taxes is not a popular action to take, even when it means having a terrible school system.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

I have to give you a lot of credit, you're one of the few teachers who seems to really care about the education of children, but your methods of improving it has been proven over and over again, that it doesn't work, and never will, throwing money at a problem doesn't cure the problem, it just treats the symptons and delays the real cure.

You seem to insinuate that the culture and income of the parents are the problem, but every religious school proves that to be wrong, as well as the need for more money, because they educate twice as successfully, with less than half the funds as the public schools get, in all those areas that you have taught in. Don't you ever wonder why?

I live in Florida, and I am a product of the public school system here, albeit a long time ago, but we do have some very fine public schools, but we also have some terribly failing schools, but all the religious schools down here put the public schools to shame, with less than half the funding, and they build their own schools and systems without people's taxes, just the little they can get in fees for each student, and then they give some of the poor a free education. Why is it that they're so successful, while most of the public school systems are failing?

Allowing the American people a free choice as to where they want to send their children to school is not "taking funds from an underfunded school system", it is relieving that school of the responsibility of having to educate that child, that they claim they aren't getting enough funds to do so properly, and the little amount of funds that goes with that child is not going to be a factor in their success or failure of their responsibility to the children who want to remain.

Public schools will get better only when they have to compete for their students, and the teachers are held accountable for the results of their teaching, as is done in the private and religious schools, for that seems to be the only difference between public schools that are failing, and private and religious schools who are succeeding with less than half the funding per student as the public schools are getting, and I can sit down and prove it.

The amount of funds allotted public school systems per student each year from local, state, and federal sources, have nothing to do with the counties having to build new schools and run a t***sportation system for bussing the students, as well as the maintenance of the properties, which are funded seperately from what is given per student for teachers' salaries, books, and equipment, which divided equally among each student, is the only thing the public schools would be losing if their parents were allowed to send their children to the private or religious school of their choice, for the benefit of their children.

Set my people free, and their children, and the competition will improve a bad system by getting rid of the failures, and the results will benefit not only the children, but the taxpayers and society, with a better educated citizen who has also been ingrained with morals and hopefully, as it was when I attended public schools, a reverence for GOD and his teachings, precepts, and mandates.

Why do you want to force students to attend a failing school system? Do you want more generations lost, that is destroying our culture and society, or allow free choice that will solve the problem, even if it causes the closure of every public school, the children will be better off. You are putting our children at risk, just so 'Teachers Unions' can make tons of money, and teachers who don't deserve their salary can make a living.

Set the American people and their children free, allow them to attend the schools of their choice, then nobody can complain about the results. But you can't, because those lousy teachers will lose their livelihood, which has nothing to do with what is best for the children. Look at the religious schools where you live, and figure out why they are so successful, while your public schools are not, for you will be greatly surprised to discover the answer, for in the 1950s, before the Democrats removed GOD from our public schools, the USA had the best public school system in the world, but now we're down to about 43rd in the world, below some third world nations. If you really care about the children, and want their education to be better, then give them the freedom and choice to move to the better schools.

You should get a job at one of the private or religious schools, you may have to take a pay cut, but the satisfaction for actually educating our children, and teaching our children to become better citizens, is an award that will more than make up for the cut in pay, and you can be very proud of the type of citizens you then turn out with your teaching sk**ls. But then again, taking a pay cut may not be worth being able to actually teach children to the level and expectations we have for them, and watch them later to become exemplary citizens.